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[KainD]

1) Jack/Samara/Morinth/Aria

( Most poweful Asari biotics that had centuries to perfect themselves + Jack that was unnaturally augmented to the same level. I think Morinth/Samara/Aria would have a lot more endurance than Jack. )

2) Shepard/Liara/Javik

( Protheans seem to be good biotics from what I've seen, and Javik had dedicated himself to this path. Liara is a very gifted young Asari biotic. Shepard was augmented with multiple experimental and expensive cyber upgrades to improve biotic performance. )

3) Wrex/Thane/Kaidan/Miranda

( Krogans and Drell physiology makes them good biotics. I think Kaidan being naturally one of the best, and Miranda being augmented to be one of the best could match Thane and Wrex in power, but Wrex and Thane would have a lot more endurance. Btw, if Shepard wasn't augmented I would put him/her here. )

4) Jacob

( Your regular military biotic. I believe his combat skills are more impressive. )

Modifié par KainD, 12 mars 2013 - 12:44 .

[KainD]

samvim wrote...
 2) Morinth - nearly as powerful as her mother

Btw, if that was true, there would not be a choice to reqruit her, and Samara would simply win. 

[Han Shot First]

My top three biotics:

Samara: She is an ancient justicar whose biotic prowess is said to rival that of Matriarch. Considering that the Asari are naturally the most proficient biotics to begin with, I'd say that makes Samara quite a fearsome character. She's easily the most powerful biotic to have ever stepped foot on the Normandy, even if we include a biotic Shepard.

Liara / Jack: I'd rank these two as being more or less equal in ability. While Jack is said to be the most powerful human biotic, the humans are also less naturally adept (no pun intended) with biotics than the Asari. Liara is the child of not one but two matriarchs and also is capable of unleashing a singularity, which is canonically the most difficult biotic ability to learn and one that only the most elite biotics can master. That being said, Liara is also still young and inexperienced (by Asari standards) and probably hasn't hit full stride yet.

Shepard:  If Shepard is a biotic, I think he (or she) is probably the most powerful human biotic on the Normandy with the exception of Jack.


The rest:

Javik
Kaidan
Wrex
Miranda
Thane
Jacob



My top 3 tech specialists:


Legion:  As a Geth I think it has an advange over every organic character when it comes to hacking or other tech abilities, particularly when hacking or accessing Geth technology. (a frequent pastime of our merry band of heroes)

EDI: I'd rank her as being slightly behind Legion only because she was primarily designed to be A.I. software aboard a starship. As such I imagine in her mobile platform she'd be a little more limited than Legion.

Tali: She is a first rate engineer even amongst a people known for being tech savvy gearheads. As such I think she's the best techie of your organic squadmates, but still outclassed by the synthetics.


The rest:

Kasumi
Mordin
Kaidan
Miranda
Garrus

Modifié par Han Shot First, 12 mars 2013 - 01:35 .

[andy6915]

I think that Shepard's biotic abilities in regards to adept versus vanguard is like so: Adept Shepard is weaker then vanguard Shepard but is more SKILLED and precise with it, and has more technical control over his/her biotics. Vanguard Shepard has more raw power, but is more imprecise and rough with the biotics.

I guess in simple terms, adept Shepard is more like Samara and vanguard Shepard is more like Jack.

[Boombox]

Samara
Jack
Wrex
Javik
Liara
Kaidan
Miranda
Thane
Jacob

[Alien Fodder]

Biotic:

Liara
Samara
Javik
Miranda
Jack
Thane
Kaidan
Wrex
Jacob

Tech:

Legion
EDI
Tali
Kasumi
Kaidan
Garrus
Miranda
Mordin

[garrusfan1]

if your not counting gameplay then this
jack
samara
fem shep
liara
wrex
kaiden
thane
javik
jacob

by tech
edi
legion
tali
mordin
kasumi

I think people overestimate the asari being so strong. so asari barely have biotics (look at asari military in the codex) I think that fem shep is beyond strong but we never know how much in terms of lore. jack is probably the strongest period. miranda is strong but not near jacks level. wrex is also stronger then most cause krogan biotics are always strong

[Zenyattaa]

Samara
Shepard
Jack/Liara
Wrex
Kaiden/Miranda/Javik
Jacob
Thane

Tech:
EDI
Legion/Kasumi/Mordin/Tali
I tied them because there's no clear cut winner. Each has their own strengths and weaknesses. Although if I had to choose one based on combat strength. Kasumi. Shadowstrike is pure win.

[Arkevilex]

In my honest opinion - my list goes as follows

Aria - freaking insane
Samara - 1000 years of experience
Liara & Javik - see official Mass Effect comics for Liara + asari affinity and Javik is prothean
Jack - most powerful human biotic
Vanguard Shepard - Shepard is more known for leadership and resilience, otherwise, Shep would be on top.
Adept/Sentinel Shep
Kaidan
Miranda
Wrex
Thane
Volus Biotic Wind
Kalisah Bint Sinan Al-Jilani
Jacob

Modifié par Arkevilight, 12 mars 2013 - 04:02 .

[garrusfan1]

Arkevilight wrote...

In my honest opinion - my list goes as follows

Aria - freaking insane
Samara - 1000 years of experience
Liara & Javik - see official Mass Effect comics for Liara + asari affinity and Javik is prothean
Jack - most powerful human biotic
Vanguard Shepard - Shepard is more known for leadership and resilience, otherwise, Shep would be on top.
Adept/Sentinel Shep
Kaidan
Miranda
Volus Biotic Wind
Kalisah Bint Sinan Al-Jilani
Jacob

I didn't know we could use aria if that is the case she goes in front of my shep on my list

[o Ventus]

Why is Adept Shepard (who is a biotic specialist) below Vanguard Shepard (who is combat/biotic hybrid)?

[Arkevilex]

o Ventus wrote...

Why is Adept Shepard (who is a biotic specialist) below Vanguard Shepard (who is combat/biotic hybrid)?

Because in my opinion vanguard>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>adept & sentinel

[andy6915]

@o Ventus

As I said in my post, I think adept Shepard is actually biotically weaker then vanguard Shepard. Adept Shepard has more skill and precision then vanguard Shepard though, while Vanguard Shepard relies more on the raw power of the biotics and is a bit rough around the edges about it.

[Apple Lantern]

Biotics? This is lore-wise.

Samara
Jack
Liara
Javik
Miranda
Twilight Shepard
Thane
Wrex
Kaidan
Jacob

[o Ventus]

andy69156915 wrote...

@o Ventus

As I said in my post, I think adept Shepard is actually biotically weaker then vanguard Shepard. Adept Shepard has more skill and precision then vanguard Shepard though, while Vanguard Shepard relies more on the raw power of the biotics and is a bit rough around the edges about it.

 

The only (literally) difference between them is that the L5n allows for biotic charges. 

The L5x allows for singularities (which is allegedly the most difficult biotic ability to conjure, along with Reave).

[garrusfan1]

o Ventus wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...

@o Ventus

As I said in my post, I think adept Shepard is actually biotically weaker then vanguard Shepard. Adept Shepard has more skill and precision then vanguard Shepard though, while Vanguard Shepard relies more on the raw power of the biotics and is a bit rough around the edges about it.

 

The only (literally) difference between them is that the L5n allows for biotic charges. 

The L5x allows for singularities (which is allegedly the most difficult biotic ability to conjure, along with Reave).

I think flare takes the hardest thing to do now

[S.A.K]

Biotic :
Samara
Jack
Javik
Liara
Wrex
Thane

Tech :  Much harder to choose
Tali / EDI / Legion - But I found Tali's ME3 powers most useful. Specially energy drain which I use on my Shepard.
Kasumi
Mordin
Garrus

[andy6915]

You kind of proved my point. Adept Shepard has the technically hardest biotic ability in the lore, while vanguard Shepard has a much more direct and brutal biotic power (charge). That sounds exactly like what I said, adept is skilled and precise but slightly weaker, vanguard is rough and raw but slightly stronger. Just like how a lot of people see Jack and Samara. Samara has the intense training and skill and control, Jack has the raw power but less control and skill. Singularity is technical and is about controlling your enemies, charge is all about directly damaging enemies... The respective class powers is where I get this perspective from. Vanguard is power and is simpler, adept is control and is a more "thinking" class then vanguard.

Modifié par andy69156915, 12 mars 2013 - 04:45 .

[Kais Endac]

andy69156915 wrote...

You kind of proved my point. Adept Shepard has the technically hardest biotic ability in the lore, while vanguard Shepard has a much more direct and brutal biotic power (charge). That sounds exactly like what I said, adept is skilled and precise but slightly weaker, vanguard is rough and raw but slightly stronger. Just like how a lot of people see Jack and Samara. Samara has the intense training and skill and control, Jack has the raw power but less control and skill. Singularity is technical and is about controlling your enemies, charge is all about directly damaging enemies... The respective class powers is where I get this perspective from. Vanguard is power and is simpler, adept is control and is a more "thinking" class then vanguard.

I would say that the Vanguard and Adept are about the same power wise. The Vanguard uses his abilities to augment his own combat prowess and get upclose and personal, but its unclear exactly how much power he needs to put into each charge. While the Adept uses his powers to lockdown enemies and generally toss them around like a ragdoll.

• if we go by gameplay abilities Charge and Singularity have the about the same short cooldown speed sugesting that they are not that strenuous for Shepard to perform, however the gameplay dirverts largly from lore given that biotics are not supposed to be able to spam biotics over and over. (well at least not for as long as biotic shepards do during gameplay)
• Also by gameplay Shep would always win I know that my Adept shepard has killed at least two thresher maws with his Biotics, which i'm pretty sure the other biotics havn't done. 

I would say that both classes are more a matter of exactly how that particluar Shepard wants to engage the enemy than power, both classes use simliar abilites but in different ways a vanguard will use his powers to augment his physical abilites (the charge and biotic punch for example) while the Adept uses powerful abilties just in a different way (the singularity and biotic blast heavy melee)

Modifié par Kais Endac, 12 mars 2013 - 05:25 .

[Subject M]

jadonbond wrote...

 i am having a debate with friend and just curious to how you would rank them? how would you rank these people from best to worst? jack, miranda, kaiden, liarra, jacob, thane, sammaru, wrex, javik? also who is better in tech? mordin, tali, kasumi, edi, legion from best to worst 

"Best" is too nebulous.

Jack and Samara are probably the two who can do the most spectacular feats in terms of force (Jack) and focused use (Samara). Lets say Jack can hit an rather big target with 20 units of force, then my guess would be that Samara hits it with 18 (And people like Mianda and Shepard with 15ish). But  Samara can on the other hand repeat that a couple of times more than Jack. Similarly Samara might be better at fine manipulation. Jack is a brutal Shotgun, Samara is a very precise high powered assault rifle.


Then We have Liara, Miranda, Shepard and Javik and Wrex.
Then we have Kaiden, Thane and Jacob.

Modifié par Subject M, 12 mars 2013 - 05:20 .

[mini Mr Brig]

I list these people based on their unique features what they bring to the table that trumps the others
biotics
lore gameplay
aria aria
javic javic
samara liara
morinth morinth
jack samara
liara wrex
kaiden kaiden
miranda miranda
wrex thane
thane jack
turian female that I cant remember
jacob jacob

final verdict
-arai has flare which is the cain of biotics 1 throw means she wins
-javic has dark chanel which is the biotic equivalent of aids
-liara has stasis so no more dodgy bs from phathoms and nemesis
-morinth has dominate or as I call it super renegade option
-samara has reave and i think pull good for detinations
-wrex is pretty much the mutliplayers vanguard and shamon 1 vs all
-kaiden has reave and barier so he's a downplayed wrex
-miranda has warp without warp me2 is a pain
-thane is simillar to samara but kepral syndrome
-jack has shock wave and pull well ladi da
-turian female has biotic defender aka portable cover
-jacob is canon fodder

Tech
lore gameplay
legion edi
edi mordin
tali tali
mordin kasumi
miranda kaiden
garus legion
kasumi garus
kaiden miranda

final verdict
-edi is the ultimat jack of all trades with overload for shields
incinerate for armor and her equivalent to geth shields
plus she has a decoy and she controls the normandy airlocks anyone?
-mordin improved then later removed the genophage plus
he is the very modle of a scientist salarian
-tali can construct drones and drain energy from anything synthetic
-legion is like tali minus energy drain but has managed to get banned from a game for being too good
-miranda rebuilt shepard from nothing but chunks of meat
-kasumi is the master thief of the galaxy
-garus knows how to calibrate a BFG
-kaiden became a spectre

[darthnick427]

Mr.House wrote...

Samara
Jack
Javik
Wrex
Liara
Kaidan
Thane
Miranda
Jacob

I agree with this one. It seems the most acurate.

[L2 Sentinel]

I think Thane is receiving far too much credit. His biotics are barely, if ever, referenced in the story. He is more known for his sniping and combat skills.

[nos_astra]

There are characters where being a biotic is probably just a gameplay thing and has some weak justification tacked on:
- Jacob
- Javik (I got the impression his biotics aren't a big deal)
- Thane
- Wrex
- Miranda

And then there are character whose biotic potential is an important part of the character:
- Samara (asari matriarch, justicar)
- Morinth (asari, ardat-yakshi)
- Liara (asari)
- Jack (experimental)
- Kaidan (first generation biotics whose powers come at a cost)

I'd assume that characters whose biotics are more of defining trait are also supposed to be the more powerful ones. It doesn't make sense to me to have them outclassed by random squaddie with biotics for gameplay reason and awesome.

 1) Samara, Morinth, possibly Aria
 2) Jack (I'd be careful though, raw power, lack of discipline and adequate training)
 3) Liara, Kaidan, Wrex (I'd put them around the same level, Kaidan and Wrex are supposed to rival the powers of asari commandos, was Liara ever supposed to be above asari commando level?)
 4) Thane, Jacob (they just have them for gameplay)

Hard to place the lorebreakers Shepard and Miranda. It's clear Shepard is supposed to be above 3 but the especially special circumstances that make it possible for Shepard to have L3s instead of L2s, avoid BAaT AND, of course, still outpower the L2s without setbacks, make me roll my eyes. As far as I'm concerned Shepard is not a biotic. Not to mention the super duper L5 implants that completely screw over lore for more awesome. It's also clear that Miranda is supposed to be around 3 but she was genetically engineered to be an awesome biotic before biotics were even discovered. I'm not sure making her body retroactively develop eezo nodules is possible and backed up by the biotics lore.

Techs:
1) EDI, Legion (obviously)
2) Tali, Kasumi
3) Mordin
4) Garrus, Kaidan

Modifié par klarabella, 12 mars 2013 - 06:28 .