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[SuperMaoriFulla]

Although the first thing racing through your mind when an Old God is bearing down on you won't be any thought of whether you're going to be squished to a pulp or roasted on the spot by a male or female Old God... hehe.

[Maria Caliban]

You can see statues of the archdemon in humanoid form in the Deep Roads where the darkspawn has set up camps. He's the guy with wings and an animal skull as a helmet.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 14 janvier 2010 - 08:54 .

[elys]

Cazlee wrote...

The winged dragon is the most magnificent and beautiful creature in DA:O, and so probably the only form worthy of the "old gods'" pride.

But does its meat taste good ?
Dragon Roast Beef rare cooked..Yummm

[thegreateski]

Maria Caliban wrote...

You can see statues of the archdemon in humanoid form in the Deep Roads where the darkspawn has set up camps. He's the guy with wings and an animal skull as a helmet.

Nah.

That's just a random statue that has been "defiled" by the Darkspawn.

They are quiet fond of decorating.
I'm starting to think that the Darkspawn only attack the surface so they can decorate it.

[Maria Caliban]

Except it’s not a random statue:

1. It’s a human or elven man, so they got it from the surface.
2. You don’t see the undeified version anywhere in the game.
3. It’s a barefoot man wearing clothing no one in the game wears and holding a hand mirror.
4. They then take this exact same statue, deify it by giving it dragon wings and head, but absolutely no other statues.

It's a statue of the god of beauty.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 14 janvier 2010 - 09:13 .

[thegreateski]

It is difficult to make a statue of a dragon and then identify it as the god of beauty.

[jsachun]

It's simply a spirit in an underground high dragon form. Whether your possessed body is she or he doesn't really matter.

[Maria Caliban]

thegreateski wrote...

It is difficult to make a statue of a dragon and then identify it as the god of beauty.

That seems to have nothing to do with my previous post.

The darkspawn are unlikely to make statues, and if they did it wouldn't reflect the rather human aesthetic we see in this one. The only comperable statues we see in the game are in the Werewolf ruins where Leliana says the interior seems to blend Tevinter and Elven influences.

Again, you'll see barefoot men in skirts, which makes sense as Tevinter is in the northernmost part of Thedas, where the climate is much warmer.

jsachun wrote...

It's simply a spirit in an underground high dragon form. Whether your possessed body is she or he doesn't really matter.

There’s no evidence that the Old Gods are spirits. By spirit, I mean specifically a being from the Fade. We know it has an essence that can travel to corrupted being (or babies), but all creatures have an essence.

The Imperium did not see them as spirits. The Chantry doesn’t consider them demons or creatures of the Fade.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 14 janvier 2010 - 09:41 .

[beelzeybob]

That statue being the old god is a very good idea imo.

Also, to add a note,those "wings" on the back of the statue seem to be an addition, made by the darkspawn themselves. They are those hooked axes things you see @ a lot of darkspawn living areas, not to mention they look like they are propped up by wooden sticks and "bandaged" to the statue.

The real question is:
Why the **** would darkspawn waste their time to decorate a pre-made statue?

Maybe if the darkspawn were really descendants of the tevinter imperium magisters (who worshipped the olds gods)... after being cursed by the maker, their initial reaction is to seek out their own old gods for help. (thats why darkspawn look for old gods?) But instead of recieving help they end up turning their gods into archdemons.

[twintalons]

Oh no, don't tell me there's a TV spinoff series coming up!
DARKSPAWN MAKEOVER!

thegreateski wrote...
Nah.

That's just a random statue that has been "defiled" by the Darkspawn.

They are quiet fond of decorating.
I'm starting to think that the Darkspawn only attack the surface so they can decorate it.

[Ulicus]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Except it’s not a random statue:

1. It’s a human or elven man, so they got it from the surface.
2. You don’t see the undeified version anywhere in the game.
3. It’s a barefoot man wearing clothing no one in the game wears and holding a hand mirror.
4. They then take this exact same statue, deify it by giving it dragon wings and head, but absolutely no other statues.

It's a statue of the god of beauty.

That is an awesome observation. Nice catch! (I'm just going to assume you're right, as it pleases me)

Seriously though, that's cool.

I like the suggestion made earlier that the Old Gods are male "gods/spirits" bound to female High Dragons, too. I've suspected for a while that their imprisonment might have had more to do with their dragon form than being buried beneath the earth... but I never made the Witherfang/SotF connection before.

Yet, we could take the analogy even further. What if:

Maker            = Zatharian
Old Gods      = Witherfang/SotF
Darkspawn Taint = Werewolf Curse

It's not perfect and I'm sure it wouldn't be so directly analogous (especially since the Taint can corrupt even the Old Gods) but it could work in broad strokes.

Given the visual clues that appear to connect Flemeth to the ancient Tevinter Magisters (the leafless tree on her book and in the game's intro), perhaps the Magisters actually entered the Golden/Black City to free the Old Gods from their imprisonment (as is the apparant aim of Morrigan and Flemeth) only to unwittingly mess up and unleash the darkspawn taint to the world? 

Modifié par Ulicus, 14 janvier 2010 - 06:27 .

[DJ0000]

Lord_Saulot wrote...
Alternatively, I suspect that gods, demons, or just dragons, there must have been something peculiar about the Old Gods for them to have been worshipped so particularly by the Imperium (afterall Tevinter was surely more than a mere run of the mill Dragon Cult), and the wings might reflect that.

I'm pretty sure they were a run of the mill dragon cult, their story mirrors that of the dragon cult in the Frostback Mountains exactly and, as they say, history is doomed to repeat itself. The perculiar thing that concvinced the Magisters that they were Gods was that they gave them powerful magic(blood magic if I remember correctly).

What I wonder is, if they did give the Magisters blood magic, does that mean they were connected to demons, perhaps possesed High Dragons as some have suggested, and why did they share the Magisters worship? I don't think High Dragons usually share cults, assuming they weren't actual Gods.

I have to say, the mystery of the Old Gods is one of the most fascinating aspects of the games lore, great work by the developers.

[Ulicus]

If the Old Gods were in truth very powerful spirits/demons bound within dragons, it would certainly explain the "Archdemon" moniker.

[Herr Uhl]

Ulicus wrote...

If the Old Gods were in truth very powerful spirits/demons bound within dragons, it would certainly explain the "Archdemon" moniker.

They are at least not spirits of the fade.

[Curlain]

The statue observation is really interesting, and it suggests even more strongly the link between the 'Old Gods' and Flemeth (since if these were once actually representations of the Old Gods humanoid forms, they may have shifted to their High Dragon form in a means similar to Flemeth, only more powerful). Maybe the 'demon' that Morrigan refers to as bonding with her mother (also referred to as a he) was some surviving essence of an Old God from a previous Archdemon (might explain how Flemeth and by extension Morrigan knew so much about the Archdemons and the Old Gods, and their certainty that the dark ritual would save the essence of the Old God).



Also wonder if this were to be the case the Old Gods might have been mages once (either human or elven) and if whatever they were their emergence has anything to do with that 'terrible Presence' the spirit of the Elven Arcane Warrior says the original elven and human inhabitants of the Werewolf ruins were fighting

[Herr Uhl]

Curlain wrote...

Maybe the 'demon' that Morrigan refers to as bonding with her mother (also referred to as a he) was some surviving essence of an Old God from a previous Archdemon (might explain how Flemeth and by extension Morrigan knew so much about the Archdemons and the Old Gods, and their certainty that the dark ritual would save the essence of the Old God).

But every archdemon to date has been killed by a grey warden, with the warden dying as a result.
So either she isn't a old god via archdemon or the wardens are dying in vain.

Edit: well, not in vain, it stopped the blight, but still.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 14 janvier 2010 - 07:01 .

[Kilyra]

I know my female character often gets called "sir" or called 'him' even on the odd occasion. I just figured people were loose with gender definitions? haha

[Ulicus]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Ulicus wrote...

If the Old Gods were in truth very powerful spirits/demons bound within dragons, it would certainly explain the "Archdemon" moniker.

They are at least not spirits of the fade.

I don't see why they couldn't be. Not saying they'd have to be... but, yeah, who's to say that an Old God isn't just a top tier spirit or demon?

[Herr Uhl]

Ulicus wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Ulicus wrote...

If the Old Gods were in truth very powerful spirits/demons bound within dragons, it would certainly explain the "Archdemon" moniker.

They are at least not spirits of the fade.

I don't see why they couldn't be. Not saying they'd have to be... but, yeah, who's to say that an Old God isn't just a top tier spirit or demon?

From the maker:
"The Old Gods were trapped in their ancient prisons underneath the earth. Their minds, however, roamed the Fade -- presumably the same as any dreamer's might -- and contacted the first magisters (who back then were known as "dreamers" and had learned on their own to walk the Fade as mages do now).

So they weren't spirits, really, no. Spirits are creatures that are native to the Fade."

found here: http://old.dragonage...ngle/1247381820

[Ulicus]

Oh, wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the link!

[Ulicus]

Urg. Ignore double post.

Modifié par Ulicus, 14 janvier 2010 - 07:31 .

[thegreateski]

Maria Caliban wrote...

thegreateski wrote...

It is difficult to make a statue of a dragon and then identify it as the god of beauty.

That seems to have nothing to do with my previous post.

The darkspawn are unlikely to make statues, and if they did it wouldn't reflect the rather human aesthetic we see in this one. The only comperable statues we see in the game are in the Werewolf ruins where Leliana says the interior seems to blend Tevinter and Elven influences.

Again, you'll see barefoot men in skirts, which makes sense as Tevinter is in the northernmost part of Thedas, where the climate is much warmer.

It has everything to do with your previous post.
The Darkspawn more then likely stole it from the surface. If this is not the case they probably had some ghouls make it, the ghouls make their armor and weapons after all.

It is a statue of the god of beauty that has been defiled by the Darkspawn.

Obviously the Tevinters are not going to make 7 statues of dragons and then say this dragon is the god of *blank*.
It would be difficult to tell which is which so they made a human statue and gave it props that would fit what it was the god of.

[Lord Phoebus]

My guess is they were pressed for time and used the dragon model for the archdemon instead of creating something else and having to do more animations (there are a few places where DA:O looks like it could have used another coat of paint). Hence this Archdemon looks like a dragon.

[syllogi]

Lord Phoebus wrote...

My guess is they were pressed for time and used the dragon model for the archdemon instead of creating something else and having to do more animations (there are a few places where DA:O looks like it could have used another coat of paint). Hence this Archdemon looks like a dragon.

They may have also thought it would be appropriate to make dragons important in a game called "Dragon Age".

[RPGlover732]

alot of you guys are doing the old god argument, but the old gods might not even be real. in DA:O we dont know if the maker is real or not, its like real life. so for all we know they just happen to corrupt female dragons or somthing