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[Maverick827]

That's what everyone was so upset over?  Because it was "sad"?  Really?

When the game came out, I saw the negative comments on Gamespot, Metacritic, the BSN, and the Off Topic forums of literally every other game forum that I frequent.  I was convinced the ending was a deus ex machina.  Some galactic, omniscient space god teleports to Earth at the last second and saves the day.  Or maybe a hyper-advanced species from another galaxy swoops in at the last second.  Surely it had to be something that insulting to evoke such an outburst that still exists to this day.

But no.  It was sad.  It wasn't a perfect, fairy tale ending.  That all there was to it.  Do these people watch nothing but cartoons?  Have they never encountered a sad ending before?  Have these people never read Shakespeare?  Victor Hugo?  How about The Great Gatsby, for a more contemporary example?

I understand wanting a happy ending (heh), and I wasn't personally one to complain when a tough decision in Dragon Age: Origins had an "easy out" (and then everyone complained about that; I guess BioWare can't win?).  I would welcome a fifth option not unlike the MEHEM mod to officially be included.  But to complain this much about what is a legitimate literary ending to a narrative, not a plot hole, not a deus ex machina...I just don't understand.  

I didn't think I could have less respect for the people who bash BioWare and EA (on their own forums, no less), but somehow I do now.

I'm just glad I can stop worrying about the endings being bad and know now how amazing they are.

[Zazzerka]

You're misinterpreting a lot of people's dislike for the endings.

[Dreadwing 67]

Think about it for the next couple weeks. Think on the catalyst, and the Reaper explanation. Maybe play again on a different character. Really consider how bad Priority: Earth is. It may hit sooner or later when you realize there are other things to hate besides it not being happy.

Keep in mind the whole no butterflies and daisy aspect is fine by me, but my issue is with other things than you mentioned. I also envy anyone who finished after the EC came out. Shakespeare is terrible and just no about that.

[Warden130]

Just wondering, did you play the original endings or the Extended Cut.

[CronoDragoon]

Congrats on playing with the EC, bro.

[Big Bad]

I can't speak for everybody, but my issues with the ending have absolutely nothing to do with it being "sad."

[Brass_Buckles]

Had nothing to do with it being sad, but the many reasons have been explained hundreds of times on the boards.

Why not search the forums and actually read what people said about the endings instead of trying to start yet another completely pointless argument about the endings?

[HomerIsLegend]

Cause they're not amazing and were a ridiculously callous way to end a magnificent series? Really? You're happy with pick a color and say goodbye to ever seeing all the crap you spent 3 games building towards? I don't think it was a stretch to see a ending where Shep got to see his squaddies/LI even if it meant the Reapers weren't totally destroyed.

[EnvyTB075]

[Reap_ii]

sad? i dont think you are reading the posts here. sadness isnt the problem. the end just doesnt make sense. it falls off thematically. most are fine with Shepard dieing, especially those who have been with the series for 5 years and know this was always meant to end with the third installment and expected his death. again, to make it clear to you, sadness is NOT the problem MOST are complaining about.

[TheCrazyHobo]

 I have a feeling you had the privilege of seeing the EC instead of the Vanilla Endings first.
If you have only seen the EC, watch this: www.youtube.com/watch

[Strangewrex]

Ain't we glad Huxley_UK's done trolling for the night, eh?

[SeptimusMagistos]

I'll join in with those who said you probably saw the Extended Cut on your first time. That's what happened to me and I thought it was...fine. Not great but not horrible either. I guess the extra conversation with the Catalyst and the slides really do make a difference.

[MacroSpamMK]

The EC Ending, whilst not brilliant, isn't what I'd call a bad ending. It's just not ideal. Not something I look forward to, but it doesn't make me hate the game as a whole (hurdur some people...a lot of people).
People have a wide variety of complaints about the ending.
- It doesn't stay true to the theme of the game (wot).
- Space magic.
- Sacrifice (this is probably where your sadness point comes in).
- Lack of closure.
- Our decisions didn't really matter.
I could spend hours attempting to explain, but some people are a lost cause and for some things (like space magic), I doubt I could come up with a reasonable argument for.

[Mcfly616]

GT Zazzerka wrote...

You're misinterpreting a lot of people's dislike for the endings.

maybe.....but he's also correctly interpreting a lot of peoples dislike for the endings....


Especially those that prefer MEHEM. Considering that it's a lot more far fetched than the actual endings, there's really no other reason to prefer it other than the fact that it's supposedly "happy". That.....and their inability to accept what the Catalyst is telling them.

[LanceSolous13]

People were upset with the endings at first because nothing was expanded on. You could choose any of the three endings and never get any explination on how this effected ANYTHING or what the hell Synthesis actually was. We still have this issue post-EC but not many care any more because its obvious we'll never hear anything more and some have long since rewritten their own endings.

The second issues were that almost no choices have any effect on the plot of the third game nor do the ME2 characters have any involvment what-so-ever making ME2 fans shoved to the side lines. For everyone in the ending, we get no exposition on what happened to them in the end; all the more depressing if they were on the Normandy.

The third issue is that the three ending choices were spesifically said to not be ENDING A, B, AND C. When, they sort of are. And the one that fulfills the entire plot of the series (Kill the giant space god robots before they obliviate the entire galaxy) is made out to be the WORST possible ending you could choose. Additionally, there are some logic issues on EDI/Geth dying.

Synthesis is also given very little explination and, as clearly shown in the EC, Everyone is best friends with everyone and they all live happily ever after and there are no conflicts. Bah.

It wasn't that it was sad. Its that it was depressing, the entire game was, and not in a pleasurable or nessecary way. The game is very serious and there isn't that many happy moments and. if there are, they aren't around for long. Its why I love the Citadel DLC so much. Its funny and charming and, despite the absurd ammount of Ham and Narm, it was great. I had the biggest smile on my face playing that DLC.

There are also a ton of plot points that are just dropped and forgotten from the series. Thane's Kepral's Syndrome, Dark Energy Build-up, the Rachni from ME1.

Priority: Earth is also cringeworthy in terms of gameplay and being the final level of the series. The 'War Assets' you collect for the entire series never appear on screen a single time, characters that are supposedly fighting in the same battle are never seen, let alone if one of said characters is your LI and should be by your side (Traynor and Cortez are forgiven here). In terms of gameplay, it was boring. Its the same enemies I've fought the entire game, just bring thrown at me in large quantities. It wasn't fun, It wasn't interesting, it was annoying.

That's the summary of the entire flaw of the final game.

It was not fun.

[knightnblu]

GT Zazzerka wrote...

You're misinterpreting a lot of people's dislike for the endings.

Agreed.

[Mcfly616]

Strangewrex wrote...

Ain't we glad Huxley_UK's done trolling for the night, eh?

he'll crawl out from under the bridge in the morning, I'm sure.

[edisnooM]

As others have already stated the sadness, happiness, unicorns and rainbows or lack thereof was not the issue with the end of the game. If I might provide you some material for your interest:

Tasteful Understated Nerd Rages video on the ending

And this thread which is full of many reasons why the endings were awful.

Besides if all people wanted was a happy "Disney" ending, EC Synthesis has got that covered. Seriously it's so sweet I'm surprised people don't get diabetes from watching it.

Modifié par edisnooM, 12 mars 2013 - 05:03 .

[Maverick827]

I have seen all of the endings. The original endings are essentially the same, only sadder.

The MEHEM thread has 150 pages. I can dig up poll after poll, discussion after discussion, with thousands of replies all referencing the "sadness" (or, rather, the lack of "happiness" with the ending.

The original "Refuse" poll, for instance, is entirely about obtaining a happier ending. Sure, it mentions something about "at a great cost," but all of the moral dilemmas presented are ignored and Shepard is portrayed to be an infallible badass. When BioWare implements a "Refuse" option only without the proposed happy ending, the posters proclaim that they left out the "most important ****ing part" (read: the happy part).

I'm sure there are a lot of you who have legitimate gripes about the game's ending (and I look forward to reading those). I just refuse to believe that the unimaginable hordes who decried "lame" and "gay" with 0/10 scores are the ones upset about shifting themes and motifs.

Modifié par Maverick827, 12 mars 2013 - 05:05 .

[CronoDragoon]

Maverick827 wrote...

I have seen all of the endings. The original endings are essentially the same, only sadder.

Not quite true. In the OEs the relays are completely destroyed. In the EC they are merely disabled and quickly rebuilt. Thus we go from "technological dark age" in which the ME galaxy as we know it is gone...to a relatively minor hiccup before the galaxy is back on its feet.

[Dreadwing 67]

edisnooM wrote...

As others have already stated the sadness, happiness, unicorns and rainbows or lack thereof was not the issue with the end of the game. If I might provide you some material for your interest:

Tasteful Understated Nerd Rages video on the ending

And this thread which is full of many reasons why the endings were awful.

Besides if all people wanted was a happy "Disney" ending, EC Synthesis has got that covered. Seriously it's so sweet I'm surprised people don't get diabetes from watching it.

Lol it was painful to hear EDI talk of how great life had become and what not, how problems melted away and everyone accepted the Reapers all of a sudden. That just seemed to be Bioware trying to shove that down our throat.

[edisnooM]

Many people were upset, not all of them capable of expressing it with eloquence and essays, that does not make their opinions any less valid though.

[Bill Casey]

MacroSpamMK wrote...

- Sacrifice (this is probably where your sadness point comes in).

Commiting a war crime isn't "sacrifice"...
It's ****ing deplorable...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 12 mars 2013 - 05:08 .

[AnthonyAllen159]

I'm someone that really prefers a "sad" ending to a cheerful one. If you ask me, the ending could have been sadder. Sadness was not an issue for me. I fully expected my Shepard to die at the end of the trilogy. My issues with the ending were that it didn't fit the trilogy that it was to close, it completely trivialized the Reapers, and it was riddled with plotholes.
You say the endings were no a deus ex machina, fair enough, that's what The Crucible was. The endings on the other hand, those were a Deus Ex: Human Revolution.