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[FlamingBoy]

Eterna5 wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

"just the way it is"

that is just unacceptable
As a consumer you have a RIGHT!!! to complain, I hate to capitalize it, but hopefully it will get through some one.

This whole entitled gamer nonsense (While not mentioned in this thread it has gotten dangerously close), you know the buy it or don't. Acting as if you got no other option, that you must hold your hands up to the great sages of bioware or any company and hopefully some of there fortune will bleed through.

Every consumer has the power beyond just buying it or not (especially when they are 60 dollars in waiting for the 40 dollar cd), you can complain, you can write to your senator (or congressman for americans )
and believe it or not you can even make demands and let every one else in the world know about it.

you can ****ing fight and it doesn't matter if its about the banks forclosing on your homes or video games, or even they put a walnut in your tootsie wrapper.

Currently it is "the way it is", and you can do something about it. And guess what we started with that ending and we said we want no more of this bull****.

and even though that movement has waned (lets face it has)

Let no body anywhere tell you that you do not have a right to complain

I never said you don't have the right to complain about dlc, I said it's stupid to complain about something not maing sense when it totally does. 

But by all means, complain about DLC if you feel it will make a difference. 

WE have eterna blessing LETS DO IT!!!

Jokes aside, our sense of what makes sense is obviously different from each other.

Edit: and thats ok

Modifié par FlamingBoy, 12 mars 2013 - 09:31 .

[lolerk53]

LegionofRannoch wrote...

lolerk53 wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

lolerk53 wrote...

That is what we should all do:

.......Turian hookers?

I would prefer Asari or Quarian hookers, but if you want you can bring Turian ones.

theres no such thing.

Rule 34 has a different opinion.

[Eterna]

FlamingBoy wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

FlamingBoy wrote...

"just the way it is"

that is just unacceptable
As a consumer you have a RIGHT!!! to complain, I hate to capitalize it, but hopefully it will get through some one.

This whole entitled gamer nonsense (While not mentioned in this thread it has gotten dangerously close), you know the buy it or don't. Acting as if you got no other option, that you must hold your hands up to the great sages of bioware or any company and hopefully some of there fortune will bleed through.

Every consumer has the power beyond just buying it or not (especially when they are 60 dollars in waiting for the 40 dollar cd), you can complain, you can write to your senator (or congressman for americans )
and believe it or not you can even make demands and let every one else in the world know about it.

you can ****ing fight and it doesn't matter if its about the banks forclosing on your homes or video games, or even they put a walnut in your tootsie wrapper.

Currently it is "the way it is", and you can do something about it. And guess what we started with that ending and we said we want no more of this bull****.

and even though that movement has waned (lets face it has)

Let no body anywhere tell you that you do not have a right to complain

I never said you don't have the right to complain about dlc, I said it's stupid to complain about something not maing sense when it totally does. 

But by all means, complain about DLC if you feel it will make a difference. 

WE have eterna blessing LETS DO IT!!!

Jokes aside, our sense of what makes sense is obviously different from each other.

Edit: and thats ok

Normally I'd write a long winded post about how Leviathan and EC together make perfect sense from an impartial point of view, but honestly it is very late and I'm very tired. 

[FlamingBoy]

And honestly I don't know if its possible for a human being to reconcile the plot of mass effect 3 ending (oh lets face the entire bloody plot) and the moral questions that bioware choices to use with their post/pre-release content

[LegionofRannoch]

lolerk53 wrote...

LegionofRannoch wrote...

lolerk53 wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

lolerk53 wrote...

That is what we should all do:

.......Turian hookers?

I would prefer Asari or Quarian hookers, but if you want you can bring Turian ones.

theres no such thing.

Rule 34 has a different opinion.

bosh'tet

[FlamingBoy]

Eterna5 wrote...


Normally I'd write a long winded post about how Leviathan and EC together make perfect sense from an impartial point of view, but honestly it is very late and I'm very tired. 

Another thought,

With all do respect eterna, your anything but impartial, thats ok, I am not imparital either.

But on a tangent: I vaguely remeber from another discussion that you are some how personally connected to bioware.

[Cashmoney007]

Another topic about the endings? lol

I have said it before and will say it again..........The only ending that should have been in the game is the Indoctrination Theory because it would have fit with how the story goes in Mass Effect.

Modifié par Cashmoney007, 12 mars 2013 - 09:59 .

[BSpud]

Silly OP, try again.

[lolerk53]

LegionofRannoch wrote...

lolerk53 wrote...

LegionofRannoch wrote...

lolerk53 wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

lolerk53 wrote...

That is what we should all do:

.......Turian hookers?

I would prefer Asari or Quarian hookers, but if you want you can bring Turian ones.

theres no such thing.

Rule 34 has a different opinion.

bosh'tet

Think we could get Tali drunk enough to do it? 

[HolyAvenger]

lolerk53 wrote...

LegionofRannoch wrote...

lolerk53 wrote...

LegionofRannoch wrote...

lolerk53 wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

lolerk53 wrote...

That is what we should all do:

.......Turian hookers?

I would prefer Asari or Quarian hookers, but if you want you can bring Turian ones.

theres no such thing.

Rule 34 has a different opinion.

bosh'tet

Think we could get Tali drunk enough to do it? 

Dat induction port.

[Zaalbar]

I think your getting the wrong impression OP.

People were mostly upset because the ending did not make much sense especially before the EC dlc was released.
Mass Effect 3 ending made the mistake of introducing a new character within the final 10 min that completely invalidates the plot of previous games in the series. in short... Its contrived.

If ME3 simply had a sad ending then I don`t believe the game would have received the backlash that it did. Sad endings can work rather well just take Red Dead Redemption for example, one of my favorite games with what I believe is a statisfying conclusion.

ME3 ending is not satisfying in the slightest, I can not even say it`s sad really, it just comes off as a confusing mess. Shepard jumps into a beam or grabs power cable both of which lead to his death unless you shoot the glass tube while walking TOWARDS the explosion that apparently leads to him living... somehow?

People are only feeling sad because after the ending we all screamed WTF was that followed by a 10min head scratching session followed by the realisation that 5 years and over 100 hours of game time has just flushed down the crapper.

EC improved some of the propblems but most people would see it as a polished turd.

[LegionofRannoch]

HolyAvenger wrote...

lolerk53 wrote...

LegionofRannoch wrote...

lolerk53 wrote...

LegionofRannoch wrote...

lolerk53 wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

lolerk53 wrote...

That is what we should all do:

.......Turian hookers?

I would prefer Asari or Quarian hookers, but if you want you can bring Turian ones.

theres no such thing.

Rule 34 has a different opinion.

bosh'tet

Think we could get Tali drunk enough to do it? 

Dat induction port.

no....but im all for with that option.

stella rosa pls

Modifié par LegionofRannoch, 12 mars 2013 - 10:27 .

[Hexley UK]

OP if you can continue to like it in the future then good on you I guess, but understand that it's not that it's not "Happy" that ruins it for most people it's that it's poorly written, plagiarised garbage.

Although why not a happy ending for those that want it?

It's "Their Shepard" as Bioware themselves put it and they also promised many different endings dependent on our choices...guess what?

Same 3 endings no matter how you played your Shepard.

I could go on but frankly it's been done to death and Bioware is changing nothing for better or for worse.

Modifié par Hexley UK, 12 mars 2013 - 10:47 .

[crimzontearz]

the original ending (and to a point even the EC one) is lifted STRAIGHT OUT of Deus ex, it has a jarring chance of tones, it is riddled with plot holes and even after the EC the minimalist approach toward the most chosen ending per Bioware's admission was absolutely deplorable.

also, even IF you were right and this was all about happiness perhaps that is what people wanted most, who are YOU ops to consider your tastes more enlightened than others'

[OdanUrr]

Maverick827 wrote...

That's what everyone was so upset over?  Because it was "sad"?  Really?

Personally, it has more to do with the endings not making sense than anything else.

[GiarcYekrub]

I don't get the ending backlash, every criticism I've seen of it was because their own headcanon offended them, I find this confusing-

1.Watch ending
2.Create illogical headcanon
3.Get angry their headcanon is illogical
4.Blame the ending

Heres a classic examples of 2 and 3's
2.Headcanon:The catalyst is a God
3.Reason to get angry:There are no Gods in Mass Effect

2.Headcanon:The catalyst was present,aware and capable on the citadel in ME1
3.Reason to get angry:Makes ME1/Sovereign/Saren/Keepers irrelevent

2.Headcanon:The catalyst can directly control the Reapers without Shepard
3.Reason to get angry:Surely the catalyst can stop the Harvest on its own

Pre EC:
2.Headcanon:The crucible firing would blow the relays in the same way as an asteroid collision
3.Reason to get angry:Everyone is dead!!!

Personally I don't see how any of that is Bioware fault.

[TheProtheans]

Maverick827 wrote...

That's what everyone was so upset over?  Because it was "sad"?  Really?

When the game came out, I saw the negative comments on Gamespot, Metacritic, the BSN, and the Off Topic forums of literally every other game forum that I frequent.  I was convinced the ending was a deus ex machina.  Some galactic, omniscient space god teleports to Earth at the last second and saves the day.  Or maybe a hyper-advanced species from another galaxy swoops in at the last second.  Surely it had to be something that insulting to evoke such an outburst that still exists to this day.

But no.  It was sad.  It wasn't a perfect, fairy tale ending.  That all there was to it.  Do these people watch nothing but cartoons?  Have they never encountered a sad ending before?  Have these people never read Shakespeare?  Victor Hugo?  How about The Great Gatsby, for a more contemporary example?

I understand wanting a happy ending (heh), and I wasn't personally one to complain when a tough decision in Dragon Age: Origins had an "easy out" (and then everyone complained about that; I guess BioWare can't win?).  I would welcome a fifth option not unlike the MEHEM mod to officially be included.  But to complain this much about what is a legitimate literary ending to a narrative, not a plot hole, not a deus ex machina...I just don't understand.  

I didn't think I could have less respect for the people who bash BioWare and EA (on their own forums, no less), but somehow I do now.

I'm just glad I can stop worrying about the endings being bad and know now how amazing they are.

Have you ever heard of plot holes and coherence?
God some people these days, making topics about subjects they do not comprehend .

The reason the ending is the way it is, is because Bioware created plot holes and threw coherent story telling out the window when creating it.
By hating on the ending, you're hating on that also.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 12 mars 2013 - 11:22 .

[EnvyTB075]

So much wrong in the above, it hurts.

edit: the one above the above....damn ninja.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 12 mars 2013 - 11:21 .

[CaptainZaysh]

GiarcYekrub wrote...

I don't get the ending backlash, every criticism I've seen of it was because their own headcanon offended them, I find this confusing-

1.Watch ending
2.Create illogical headcanon
3.Get angry their headcanon is illogical
4.Blame the ending

This.

Personally I think that a large part of the backlash was a deeply emotional protest against BioWare's message to players that the world will turn without them after they die.

[TheProtheans]

GiarcYekrub wrote...


2.Headcanon:The catalyst was present,aware and capable on the citadel in ME1
3.Reason to get angry:Makes ME1/Sovereign/Saren/Keepers irrelevent



Personally I don't see how any of that is Bioware fault.

The idea of the Catalyst alway been present on the Citadel and aware is illogical? it is a VI.
There is nothing to explain why it would not be.

It is Bioware's fault because they wanted lots of speculation.
I'm not even sure how you made it on the internet.

[shodiswe]

My biggest issues arn't that they are sad. I'm not even sure what you mean with "Sad" Shepard dying maybe? not being reunited with LI? That's not a major problem for me. No. But I've already explained a thousand times so that's enough for me, I'm through with the ending, it's not good and that's enough for me.

[NCommand]

It's clear that having no clear cut happy ending is what started the whole "ending brouhaha"

The popularity of the MEHEM mod, people asking for a refusal ending where the reapers get beaten the old fashioned way, and now people saying the Citadel is how the series should have ended

Of course, those are not the arguments being used now, because now people have had 12 months to nitpick the ending worse than diehard star wars fans nitpicking the prequels

[OdanUrr]

TheProtheans wrote...

GiarcYekrub wrote...


2.Headcanon:The catalyst was present,aware and capable on the citadel in ME1
3.Reason to get angry:Makes ME1/Sovereign/Saren/Keepers irrelevent



Personally I don't see how any of that is Bioware fault.

The idea of the Catalyst alway been present on the Citadel and aware is illogical? it is a VI.
There is nothing to explain why it would not be.

It is Bioware's fault because they wanted lots of speculation.
I'm not even sure how you made it on the internet.

Correction: it's an AI.

[GiarcYekrub]

TheProtheans wrote...

GiarcYekrub wrote...


2.Headcanon:The catalyst was present,aware and capable on the citadel in ME1
3.Reason to get angry:Makes ME1/Sovereign/Saren/Keepers irrelevent



Personally I don't see how any of that is Bioware fault.

The idea of the Catalyst alway been present on the Citadel and aware is illogical? it is a VI.
There is nothing to explain why it would not be.

It is Bioware's fault because they wanted lots of speculation.
I'm not even sure how you made it on the internet.

Is it really? I didn't see it do anything that Avina couldn't of done. You are expanding its abilities with Head canon, I don't see anything wrong with that, but when your head canon creates plot holes its not Biowares fault.

[TheProtheans]

OdanUrr wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

GiarcYekrub wrote...


2.Headcanon:The catalyst was present,aware and capable on the citadel in ME1
3.Reason to get angry:Makes ME1/Sovereign/Saren/Keepers irrelevent



Personally I don't see how any of that is Bioware fault.

The idea of the Catalyst alway been present on the Citadel and aware is illogical? it is a VI.
There is nothing to explain why it would not be.

It is Bioware's fault because they wanted lots of speculation.
I'm not even sure how you made it on the internet.

Correction: it's an AI.

I'm not sure, is there anything to prove it has done something out of it's original program?
The Reaper Cycle is technically within it's parameters.