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#76
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LieutenantSarcasm wrote...

Only-Twin wrote...

Adding to that, changing the characters would feel like rebooting the entire series. Shepard, Liara, Garrus, Tali... They ARE Mass Effect. Without them, I would feel like I was playing a spin-off.

Imagine playing Uncharted without Nathan Drake. It wouldn't feel right. 


Ding ding ding. This, so very much.


That's true, but so long they are remembered in the future games, I think I'll be able to move on to other characters.

While revisiting the trilogy a couple of times for old time's sake.

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Aurora313 wrote...

Shepard was a creation of bioware, but like Spartas Husky said. I'll keep him close to my heart.

even if Bioware made shepard he/she is still ours too since we put money in the product, so in a way we the fans own it too

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Someone With Mass wrote...

This is why I don't want the next game to just pretend that the trilogy doesn't exist.

They could really make use of people's saves in that case to have various references (since I doubt the galaxy will forget the guy who saved it anytime soon) to Shepard & Co in various locations.


I really hope maybe only one or two make a small cameo. The amount of coincidences in Mass Effect 3 was ridiculous.

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Also, I would not be opposed to more games featuring Shepard.

May Bioware listen to this

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Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

Aurora313 wrote...

Shepard was a creation of bioware, but like Spartas Husky said. I'll keep him close to my heart.

even if Bioware made shepard he/she is still ours too since we put money in the product, so in a way we the fans own it too

Just like when I buy a book i own those characters.

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I will definitely miss Shep and crew. They are among my most favorite fictional characters--in any medium. That said, one of the things that I like about Mass Effect is that the universe feels real enough and big enough to contain more than just Shepard's story. I want to explore more of that ME universe, and I have hope that Bioware can come up with new characters that will be interesting and fun to play, though I hope that the characters they create are very different from the Normandy's crew, as anything too similar will feel cheap and fake.

Think about it this way. I bet there were plenty of Star Trek fans who were skeptical of The Next Generation when it came out (I'm speculating here. I was only 4 when TNG started!). I bet many of them thought that the Star Trek universe was synonymous with Kirk and Co., but Rodenberry managed to create a new set of characters that were different from the old ones yet (mostly) compelling and interesting.

I think that the ME universe is potentially just as interesting as the Star Trek universe, so while I'm sad to see Shepard go, I'm confident that there are still some interesting stories to be told.

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Good point on ST:TNG I was skeptical when it came out, I assumed they would just be recycling TOS plots. (Thought I was proven right, too, when they did The Naked Now.) But now they're almost more Star Trek than TOS to me.

But taking a lesson from Star Trek....clearly whoever was in charge of creating the characters for the original series and the Next Generation *ahem, Gene* knew what he was doing. Because once he was gone, none of the other series' featured as good characters. So I only hope that Bioware uses many of the same writers and character developers in the next series.

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tracer667 wrote...

Good point on ST:TNG I was skeptical when it came out, I assumed they would just be recycling TOS plots. (Thought I was proven right, too, when they did The Naked Now.) But now they're almost more Star Trek than TOS to me.

But taking a lesson from Star Trek....clearly whoever was in charge of creating the characters for the original series and the Next Generation *ahem, Gene* knew what he was doing. Because once he was gone, none of the other series' featured as good characters. So I only hope that Bioware uses many of the same writers and character developers in the next series.


Clearly you never bothered to Watch DS9

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WarGriffin wrote...

Clearly you never bothered to Watch DS9


Uh oh - now I've stepped in it!

IMO - DS9 stories are good, but I didn't think the characters were as strong.  Not bad, just not as good as TNG.

But we digress....

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Bioware should go a new path with the ME Universe.

Like setting the next game 500 years into the future, making the destruction ending canon, and have new conflict arise or something. Maybe with a new species. It also doesn't have to be a "we have to rescue the galaxy" type of story but it could be something smaller more personal (without turning into DA2).


tracer667 wrote...

Good point on ST:TNG I was skeptical when it came out, I assumed they would just be recycling TOS plots.  



Well, they actually kinda tried that in season 1. Thankfully it changed more and more and, as harsh as it sounds, Gene's death actually might have helped the series to become one of the best TV series of all time in it's later seasons.  

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tracer667 wrote...

WarGriffin wrote...

Clearly you never bothered to Watch DS9


Uh oh - now I've stepped in it!

IMO - DS9 stories are good, but I didn't think the characters were as strong.  Not bad, just not as good as TNG.

But we digress....


Just my opinion, but I thought DS9 had the best character-writing of any of the Star Trek shows....

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Well they brought master chief back.....thing is with characters like mario, snake, MC etc ....is that people/gamers get attached to certain protagonists and if bioware/EA had any buisness sense then at some point i wouldnt be surprised to see more of shepard.....developers/writers may get tired and want to explore new avenues but just like snake came back, just like MC came back, they always give in eventually and if sales dont do well for the next ME or DA then you could see shepard once more...

If only Gordon Freeman made a return!!!!!!

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Bester76 wrote...

Just my opinion, but I thought DS9 had the best character-writing of any of the Star Trek shows....

Agreed. Granted, I'm not a huge Trekkie, but DS9 had my favorite characters of the franchise.

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they should just hire a new team to pick up from Cerberus Base mission and build a new "alternate " final mission as one gigantic DLC , with side missions to finally destroy the Reapers and set the indoctrination theory to rest.
-- then i'd be sad but happy too to let Shepard go .

i love the MEU... i had not played games for years when i got myself a gaming laptop and decided to resume gaming a bit. Looked for what the best games seemed to be and i love sci-fi so i started playing ME . I got hooked.

I have no idea what ME4 will be like.. But in many way i would have preferred BW to create an entire new game , sci-fi , futuristic universe .
But maybe there's good material for a post Reaper game, set in a much later time after races have managed to rebuild the relays .
I'll be playing it in any case.

and i'll keep the trilogy till then . :)

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Saying goodbye to Shepard, and Kaidan, and all the rest of 'em was too sad for me, too.

So I just finished the 250 page sequel to the 90 page head-canon fanfic I wrote about resurrecting him (from the Synthesis ending, which was no small feat) and continuing their stories together. I had to introduce new antagonists from outside the galaxy, since I interpreted Synthesis as pretty much putting an end to violent conflict, but that was interesting in itself because I used them to stand in for anti-Synthesis dissenters (and a couple members of the Normandy gang to present the same stance, but more sympathetically than the aliens).

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I think BOTH would be enjoyable. I want more Shepard for sure. Do both! Expansions for ME3 and the next Mass effect game... pleeeaassseee Bioware!!

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I appreciate that Bioware wants us to let go of Sheppard but it's hard because they did such a great job of creating him. In many ways Sheppard is like Superman, Batman, Master Chief, Mario

Hell almost 50 years later Luke Skywalker has a son and is kicking ass across the Galaxy and there are some stories following his family.

Sheppard is larger than life and I can play a Mass Effect story without him however he matter, his descendants should matter, the descandents of his crew should matter. This is where it becomes hard to completely let go.

I think Bioware should go the Star Wars route with this, there are plenty of room for side stories, new characters but Sheppard is Mass Effect and 3 games is not necessarily enough time to let him go.

I would love to see a Mass Effect 4 with Sheppard as a background character. Maybe you play an Asari with a famous mother and your last name is Sheppard, trying to live up to your Parent would beone hell of a Story!

Would be even fantastic to have a point in the game where you get to play as the old squad to save your kid and show them just how badass you were!

I think we all just need sheppard to matter a bit more than they did by the end of ME4 the bulk of the story may be done but the characters deserves just a bit more!

I saw people talking about Trek and I think that TNG is a great example of how to continue but the old guard were respected, We even got that Fantastic movie Star Trek 6 to send them off which influenced a large aspect of the following series. Also don;t forget Deforest Kelley Dr McCoy passed the torch in the first episode

Measuring Sheppard's impact will be hard in any ending especially continuing with Synthesis beyond ME3. I hope we see more of our favorites and perhaps a passing of the torch!

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Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Don't get me wrong, I love my Shepard. But to be honest, I was never as connected to Shepard as I was the crew. My Shepard has been slipping away with each installment, going from a diplomatic pro-alien, "speak softly and carry a big stick" type of woman to... what we got in ME3, when auto-dialogue took her over and made her almost someone else entirely, someone who was only interested in Earth, a planet she had never even visited. It's very, very easy for me to let her go.

This.  In ME3, I felt like I was playing someone different from the one in ME1 and 2.  And that was the playthrough which was the most in-character for Shep.  It was worse for my other Sheps.  Deleting all my saves was very easy.

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I definitely understand why people have trouble letting go. I made this thread mostly because I was feeling a little bummed out that this was it, that I wasn't satisfied with the endings, and that I'll never get to hang out with Shepard's squad again.

Like many of you, I got more attached to the squad than to Shepard. I had several Shepards, and I played them all a little differently. Some of them I enjoyed more than others; I lost my save for my very first, and favorite, Shepard, so she never even got to see ME3.

The gist of it is, even though you can go back and play the games again, Shepard is gone, and may as well be dead. She or he might be dead, or not even born yet, in the next game. Knowing what happens--and I don't have MEHEM, but I also won't because doing so just, well... it's like denial or something--makes it sort of like watching videos of a deceased friend. Sweet, but painful.

I have absolutely nothing against people for missing Shepard or the ME series, but some people are a bit obsessive about it. Or depressed over it, which--again, I can understand--is kind of worrisome. Not in a "you must be nuts," way but rather, "you're getting very upset over this game" kind of way.

And I understand even more, because Bioware is the only developer to produce the kind of game Mass Effect or Dragon Age are. RPGs with intense depth of characterization, choices to be made that will shape future games, etc. I've heard good things about The Witcher series, but you can't port your saves in those, and having attempted to play the first one, they're not meant at all to cater to a female player. So no, there really isn't anything like Mass Effect, and until the new game comes out, there won't be again. Much as I say I won't buy it if it's a prequel or a side-story, by that point I may be missing the game so much that I will do so anyway.

Those of you who expect Shepard to make a triumphant return are most likely expecting too much. If the next installment of the series flops, that may just be the end for ME altogether. No more. It doesn't make money anymore, so why make more? If they did return to Commander Shepard, they'd have to canonize the Destroy ending. And you probably wouldn't be able to port your old saves.

What I do think might happen is, in another ten years or so, a remastered edition with all three games (not just the Trilogy Edition) will be released. It will contain all DLC content, maybe a few new side stories or missions, and perhaps even some new ending content. But if and when that happens, it will feel more like visiting an old friend--you will never, ever get back the first time you played when everything was fresh and new.

That's part of why I believe the story would have gotten stale; also, as someone else above pointed out, each extra game would have added more cast to keep track of. It would be odd to keep running into the same handful of people across the entire galaxy time after time. As many of us ladies as were disappointed that we lost several romantic interests as options in ME3, I expect had there been more ME games starring Shepard, those would not have been the only ones to suddenly become inaccessible.Male Shepard would have lost a few, too. While most of us don't play solely for the romance, I can almost bet that there would be plenty who'd quit playing solely for that reason.

So yeah, I would have enjoyed more time with my crew, but it definitely makes sense that Shepard's tale is over. Put him/her to rest, and enjoy the real world for a while, in which we don't have to fight a terrible war against the Reapers. You don't have to stop replaying the games, but, again, it's time to let go. There won't be more content. We may not even hear anything about the next game in the franchise for another year or two. Think of it as the Quiet/Quiet Citadel party. It's a little time to rest before something else begins.

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Brass_Buckles wrote...

A lot of people really don't want to let Shepard go.

I'm fine with it.  I wish I could let my Shepards go on a better, more victorious note,



I agree that ME3 was the right time for Shepards cutin call I hated the way they did it tho.

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Brass_Buckles wrote...

I definitely understand why people have trouble letting go. I made this thread mostly because I was feeling a little bummed out that this was it, that I wasn't satisfied with the endings, and that I'll never get to hang out with Shepard's squad again.

Like many of you, I got more attached to the squad than to Shepard. I had several Shepards, and I played them all a little differently. Some of them I enjoyed more than others; I lost my save for my very first, and favorite, Shepard, so she never even got to see ME3.

The gist of it is, even though you can go back and play the games again, Shepard is gone, and may as well be dead. She or he might be dead, or not even born yet, in the next game. Knowing what happens--and I don't have MEHEM, but I also won't because doing so just, well... it's like denial or something--makes it sort of like watching videos of a deceased friend. Sweet, but painful.

I have absolutely nothing against people for missing Shepard or the ME series, but some people are a bit obsessive about it. Or depressed over it, which--again, I can understand--is kind of worrisome. Not in a "you must be nuts," way but rather, "you're getting very upset over this game" kind of way.


And I understand even more, because Bioware is the only developer to produce the kind of game Mass Effect or Dragon Age are. RPGs with intense depth of characterization, choices to be made that will shape future games, etc. I've heard good things about The Witcher series, but you can't port your saves in those, and having attempted to play the first one, they're not meant at all to cater to a female player. So no, there really isn't anything like Mass Effect, and until the new game comes out, there won't be again. Much as I say I won't buy it if it's a prequel or a side-story, by that point I may be missing the game so much that I will do so anyway.

Those of you who expect Shepard to make a triumphant return are most likely expecting too much. If the next installment of the series flops, that may just be the end for ME altogether. No more. It doesn't make money anymore, so why make more? If they did return to Commander Shepard, they'd have to canonize the Destroy ending. And you probably wouldn't be able to port your old saves.

What I do think might happen is, in another ten years or so, a remastered edition with all three games (not just the Trilogy Edition) will be released. It will contain all DLC content, maybe a few new side stories or missions, and perhaps even some new ending content. But if and when that happens, it will feel more like visiting an old friend--you will never, ever get back the first time you played when everything was fresh and new.

That's part of why I believe the story would have gotten stale; also, as someone else above pointed out, each extra game would have added more cast to keep track of. It would be odd to keep running into the same handful of people across the entire galaxy time after time. As many of us ladies as were disappointed that we lost several romantic interests as options in ME3, I expect had there been more ME games starring Shepard, those would not have been the only ones to suddenly become inaccessible.Male Shepard would have lost a few, too. While most of us don't play solely for the romance, I can almost bet that there would be plenty who'd quit playing solely for that reason.

So yeah, I would have enjoyed more time with my crew, but it definitely makes sense that Shepard's tale is over. Put him/her to rest, and enjoy the real world for a while, in which we don't have to fight a terrible war against the Reapers. You don't have to stop replaying the games, but, again, it's time to let go. There won't be more content. We may not even hear anything about the next game in the franchise for another year or two. Think of it as the Quiet/Quiet Citadel party. It's a little time to rest before something else begins.



EA cant afford to let ME flop and there are msny ways of continuing Sheppards story partly just not in the forefront. It is possible that after this game if they cannonize the destroy ending that Sheppard is humanities councilor and the new PC meets Sheppard and some of the old guard as they take part in a new adventure, Sheppard could almost take on the role Anderson had.

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Bester76 wrote...

tracer667 wrote...

WarGriffin wrote...

Clearly you never bothered to Watch DS9


Uh oh - now I've stepped in it!

IMO - DS9 stories are good, but I didn't think the characters were as strong.  Not bad, just not as good as TNG.

But we digress....


Just my opinion, but I thought DS9 had the best character-writing of any of the Star Trek shows....

I agree.  ;)

And they could bring back Shepard if they had to and not make the story stale.

The ending would have to be that Shepard armed and fired the crucible and that it only did one thing: it destroyed the reapers and only the reapers, but damaged the relays. It never had the option of Control or Synthesis. There never was a Starchild. And face it, the only reason that people chose Control or Synthesis was because of the geth and EDI. If they were left alone, get rid of the reapers? No problem. So that's how the writers get around it, because they can't write three games.

The next game is going to be next gen, so there's not going to be an import. BW has a record of your decisions unless you chose not to let them see them.

It will depend how far in the future they make the next game.

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And my Shepard is kicking back in that apartment recovering from her hangover. That was one hell of a victory party.

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I just thought Shepard deserved a better ending.

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I might be alone in this, but I was preparing myself to let Shepard go even as I opened the third game for the first time.

I mean, I fully expected her to die and made my peace that this was the end. I'll be doing one last full trilogy full DLC run this summer, but that will be the end for me. You had a great run, you glorious gun toting peacemaker. Rest in peace, Laura Shepard *salute*

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I would be fine with Shepard dying if the ending made me feel like it was worth it.

Instead I feel "No way, I'm not accepting my character dying for that." 

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