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thats1evildude wrote...
In any case, D&D is now firmly in the "PC is special" camp, as most people prefer to keep a character that they're attached to and skip the lower levels anyway.
BG1: Fair enough, but you're not exactly praised for your mad skills at the beginning of the game (IIRC, you're Gorion's adopted child rather than his favored apprentice)
- Baldurs gate: You start as the chosen god child, who also happens to be gorions most skilled apprentice.
- Baldurs gate 2: You're a famous hero, the only one in all the world who can vanquish irenicus and the destined god to inherit your fathers throne.
- Never winter nights: You're the top recruit in the academy, favored by the headmistress.
- Swkotor: Granted it's not revealed till near end, but eventually you find out all along you're the most beloved, cunning and all powerful jedi & sith lord in history.
- Jade empire: You're master lees most skilled apprentice.
- Mass effect: You're the most skilled soldier in the alliance and the best all of earth has to offer.
LolaLei wrote...
I like the idea of our new protagonist to being dragged into the Inquisition (or whatever) under mistaken identity, so this complete nobody actually does end up accomplishing something great off the grounds of pretty much nothing.
No. Just no.Emzamination wrote...
Not sure you're aware, but giving the player character highly accomplished pre-game puts pressure on the player to measure up to a preset status & goals.
brushyourteeth wrote...
LolaLei wrote...
I like the idea of our new protagonist to being dragged into the Inquisition (or whatever) under mistaken identity, so this complete nobody actually does end up accomplishing something great off the grounds of pretty much nothing.
+1. I'd say the steep learning curve could be enough of a qualification for greatness. "Be awesome or die" is a pretty good motivator.
Lord Issa wrote...
It'd be absolutely hilarious if BW made it so that your character just resembled a really famous hero (you still choose how they look, the other character is just said to be identical), so you're just grabbed off the streets and basically worshiped. Everyone says how they always knew you were special, how talented you always were, etcetera. Halfway through the game, a character identical to your own shows up and claims identity fraud...
Lord Issa wrote...
Just realised some of your first post was a little unfair IMO.
BG2: Totally unfair IMO. This game is a direct sequel, there would be more of a problem if you didn't start out as awesome.
KOTOR: Kind of the whole point of the narrative-the Revan twist was incredibly well received. Combat aptitude wise, it makes a lot of sense in the setting as well-Star Wars characters with force sensitivity are always better than those without, so this is more a limitation of the SW universe than BW's failing.
Lord Issa wrote...
Emzam: Just to clarify, that was aimed at the person above me, right? Don't think I said anything too offensive. :S
Emzamination wrote...
krul2k wrote...
for a hero to be a hero there has to be a spark of something great in them, something that makes them stand out an something that stands them above your ordinary ppl
if there aint something "special" about your character then sorry but your just some other ordinary bum an not worthy of a game dedicated to you
The elder scrolls says hello.
TheBlackAdder13 wrote...
Good Emzamination, you have the nerve to make a thread requesting that the story follow a certain structure as per your personal preference. You're so entitled.
Emzamination wrote...
I'm not saying the character shouldn't of been force sensitive but finding out you're already one of the most powerful force sensitives in the galaxy puts a huge damper on any sense of accomplishment by the player.
Modifié par thats1evildude, 12 mars 2013 - 09:41 .
Emzamination wrote...
BoBear wrote...
Realmzmaster wrote...
BoBear wrote...
I think they should make a game that starts out with the birth of the character and lets you play their entire childhood, allowing you to determine everything your character does before he/she becomes a part of the main story. Because that's practical
You mean something like in Fallout 3? You start off as an infant and get to pick your beginning attributes and skills.
I never actually played Fallout 3. Heard it was a good game but never got around to it.
I was being rather faceitious in my comment. It seemed to me that the OP was upset at what the developers felt was an appropriate back story to the main characters of their games. The OP wants almost a clean slate or, rather, an insignificant history. But seeing that significane is relative the only solution I see would be for a game to allow you to play through most of the character's early years, giving you that clean slate, and develop him/her yourself. However, this is highly inpractical and would only work in a perfect world.
Sorry, going to have to call out the bolded. On what basis are you drawing this from?Having a Pre-existing accomplished history is neither significant or necessary for the pc, unless it absolutely pertains to the storyline. Being regarded as a talented caster and irvings star pupil added nothing to the story other than needless head pats and praise. I could've just as easily started out with jowans child history or as average as any of the npc mages, and still do exceptionally well during the harrowing.
Modifié par BoBear, 12 mars 2013 - 09:54 .
Emzamination wrote...
Bg2 is completely fair game. Even if you've never played or imported from bg1, you still start off with all the previous games history and acomplishments, when really the only actual piece of history necessary to the character was being a bhallspawn, which could've been any random person as there was more than one. It would've far more logical to start a new character off as a different spawn.
It was great story, but the revelation that you're revan also revealed that the only reason you were able to accomplish anything was because you regained your former selfs inherent power and skill. I'm not saying the character shouldn't of been force sensitive but finding out you're already one of the most powerful force sensitives in the galaxy puts a huge damper on any sense of accomplishment by the player.
thats1evildude wrote...
Why? I fail to comprehend this mindset.
Lately I've been dipping into Batman: Arkham Asylum again out of nostalgia. During the game, Batman is already well into his crimefighting career and has already defeated all the villains in the game numerous times. He's a very well-established badass.
But the fact remains that Batman doesn't do s**t in that game unless I direct him to do so. He doesn't spontaneously pumel mooks on his own or rescue hostages from death traps. Batman doesn't really accomplish much on his own without my control, so his victories are also mine.
BoBear wrote...
I was talking about it being relative from person to person. What I think is significant about a character's past could be different then what you think is significant.
For example, the character's background in Origins. You think that the predetermined accomplishments of the mage origin character are not significant to the story whereas I would beg to differ. The whole point of any of the Origin stories is to show how each character got recruited into the Wardens. The Wardens only recruit from the best of the best. I'll agree that the character could have been of lesser skill then was already predetermined and still be able to pass the Harrowing but would he/she have been recruited by Duncan? I say no. The player's and Jowen's plot would still have been discovered (whether the player told Irving or not) but instead of being recruited, you would have been punished by the Templars. You wouldn't have fought the Blight as a Warden leaving it up to Alistair to defeat the Archdemon.
The same would go for the other origin stories. Without being regarded as skilled, Duncan would have never recruited you and there would be no game past the origin stories.
Also why does everyone keep assuming that duncan wouldn't recruit the player because they're not somewhat known? Duncan was looking for talented individuals to become wardens. If the mage undertook the harrowing and passed it in record time by the players own merit, then it follows that irving would've still recommended the player to duncan upon their visit.
Modifié par hazarkazra, 12 mars 2013 - 10:06 .
Emzamination wrote...
krul2k wrote...
for a hero to be a hero there has to be a spark of something great in them, something that makes them stand out an something that stands them above your ordinary ppl
if there aint something "special" about your character then sorry but your just some other ordinary bum an not worthy of a game dedicated to you
The elder scrolls says hello.
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