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[Xetto]

Sethvir Fireborn wrote...

Hopefully you have been buying packs according to unlocking the stuff to go with it... Like buying Recruit Packs till you have all the common stuff, Veteran Packs till you have all the Uncommon weapons/weapon mods and characters before moving up to the Premium Spectre Packs... I had a friend that started buying PSP before she had finished the other stuff and complained about not getting any rares till we explained the shop system and the better/easier way to do it...

I only say this because keep seeing plenty of people with low N7 levels with level 1 rare gear on but do not have any weapon mods or only one to go with it... Does make it easier with mentioned way

You always get rares in SPS and SP packs. I never touched the smaller packs, true i had all my rares maxed before uncommen, but why waste money on only them? SPS maxes your rares fastes and you have a good chance of URs. In my 2nd pack when i started playing i got BW 1, now imagine i wasted x amount of creds trying to get viper or rapter. With the exeption of the mattoch and maybe phalax, all under rare are useless junk tbh, why waste credits maxing it.

Modifié par Tecco, 16 mars 2013 - 02:58 .

[Mondhase]

OP, you've got a Claymore X, a Widow VII, a Piranha V, a Reegar VI (and that's just counting all the weapons I like that are at least level V) and you complain about not having good enough weapon?

Take you GI, the Claymore or Piranha and go kill stuff! Or the Widow with your SI, or the Kroguard with the Piranha, blade attachment/omni blade and melee all the things! Or try new playstyles you're not used to. You have the Fury, for example, she can destroy everything without even ever touching a weapon (though I do find a Talon a good choice for her, which you have unlocked, too).


I know it can be frustrating not to get the stuff you want immediately, but no-one ever promised you you would. Just try not to get hung-up about it all the time and try out some of the other things, too. And if you really just want to use a weapons class, try some of the examples I listed above. There are some weapons, by the way, that might positively surprise you, if you just use them with the right kit. The Revenant, for example. It has a ridiculous spread, but if you take it on the GI or GE (like I do) with hunter mode's 25% accuracy bonus it's pretty damn awesome and can put out some dakka the Harrier can only dream about. Not saying the Harrier isn't good, but you do somewhat have to be married to the ammo crates, which gets kind of annoying.

Also, the fact that you played from the very beginning doesn't mean a damn thing. There are a lot of people here who played MP from the demo and even more who have put several times more hours than you into this game. 

[Kaelis_33]

Game not worth playing in current state

Get rid of the necessity to see scores. Let people turn them off if they choose. That would go a long ways to fixing much of what is wrong with on-line play.

Get rid of instant stomps. Either you have a revive system or you do not. It is absolutely atrocious and unfair to have people who can revive themselves 5 to 7 times and those who cannot do it once in the same match. The instant stomping only highlights this much much more. I cannot for the life of me see the logic in this.

Let me get this straight bioware you include a "points" system which we cannot turn off, or at least block from seeing. This in turn encourages the most antisocial playing in any "coop" game I have ever seen. And then your supposed reasoning for having enemies beeline to you and stomp you out is that people should be playing as teams?

Yeah I get this, its psychotic. Incidentally its why I can't convince relatives or friends to play this game.

[Draining Dragon]

Cyonan wrote...

Saying things like "denied access to content that I rightfully own" is gonna make you sound pretty entitled when you didn't even pay to download said content.

He did pay for the game itself. The multiplayer is part of that, and the free DLC is part of the multiplayer.

The store is part of the product he paid for. Because the DLC is free, it's also part of that product. Consumerism is not entitlement.

Modifié par Draining Dragon, 16 mars 2013 - 03:56 .

[Kaelis_33]

Draining Dragon wrote...

Cyonan wrote...

Saying things like "denied access to content that I rightfully own" is gonna make you sound pretty entitled when you didn't even pay to download said content.

He did pay for the game itself. The multiplayer is part of that, and the free DLC is part of the multiplayer.

Hey or in my case I spent 20 bucks buying reserves packs to get nothing new but a Geth Scanner I. Figured certainly if I spent 20 bucks on the new DLC that I would get most of the cool stuff unlocked. Nope nothing

[Kaelis_33]

Tecco wrote...

Kaelis_33 wrote...

What the OP just described is in essence new player frustration, and the guy will not get a break. The community that has been here and had the advantage to play when the factions were not revamped to be harder dont care. Many were able to play and draw from a much smaller pool of weapons early on.

I don't like this game much anymore either. For me it came down to never being able to afford needed consumables like medigels and get any items and characters unlocked. I was trying to spend everything I could to get PSPs to get the bloody characters unlocked from reckoning and I still am missing a few I really want. I even spent 20 bucks buying straight up reserves packs and I got not a single thing I needed/wanted from it.

And I hate the scoreboard in this supposedly coop game it ruins all the coop play with so many chasing the virtual digits rather than help their team or teammates.

Where i do somewhat agree with the scoreboard often have a negative impact og peoples playstyle, it is the only tool we have to show if people are "bad players"/"in over their head". it is no poblem being last, but if the 3rd placed player have 3-5x your score, then it indicates that you are on a difficulty you shouldnt be.

You don't need a scoreboard to know who is bad or not. You can be an abo****e ****** and get high score. But in all honesty all they ever needed to do was give us the option to exclude people who turn off scores. So that everyone gets what they want. Those that want to point ****, or feel there is some necessity can have only players with points turned on in their games.

And people like me who think it destroys the whole team play concept can have it the other way around. Win win. I personally don't mind playing with people who are not any good. I enjoy team work and getting things done. the group dynamics, bad team mates just make the group dynamics more important, increase challenge and fun.

this game absolutely does not appeal to the team oriented type like it should even though its sold as 4 man coop. Its what is causing a lot of nager and rage. All they ever had to do was give people the option to turn off scores, or even for gods sake not put it in your face when you stop a match. Something, but the way it's setup now they encourage people to be tools in game. 

[billpickles]

BarrettXM wrote...

Another problem is the woefully low power of pretty much all weapons in the game. Think about which enemies can kill you quicker than you can kill them. Take into account that there are even more of that enemy plus enemies more powerful than the aforementioned enemy itself. You're probably not gonna survive, even if you're with other people. Unless your weapon can kill twice as fast as all the enemies' weapons except those of boss enemies. Unfortunately, none of the weapons I have can do that in their current status. Its really not fun when I'm shooting enemies with high-power weapons and the health/armour bar is just crawling to 0%. And before anyone tells me to use the Cerberus Harrier or something like that, I don't have any weapons like that. Why's that so? Answer: Read the paragraph above. The simple solution to this would be to decrease health of enemies. And if that would make the game too easy, increase the number of enemies that can be on the ground at once as well.

Um...if you're just sitting out in the open trading fire with the enemy, you're doing it wrong.  Very, very wrong.  Even the Harrier is not going to fix that problem.  About the only way to consistently stand in the open trading fire and expect to live would be the missile glitch, which has finally been fixed (Thank you BW!).

Lowering enemy health or increasing weapon power across the board would quickly ruin this game.  There are plenty of videos of players soling gold and even plat with lower-end weapons.  Stronger weapons make this easier, certainly, but they're hardly necessary to get through a match.

I'm trying hard not to be an **** here, but you're kind of begging for a "L2P, noob" type comment...

Modifié par billpickles, 16 mars 2013 - 04:17 .

[-Sxx-]

BarrettXM wrote...

LegacyOfTheAsh wrote...

BarrettXM wrote...

cowwy wrote...

Don't play the game then if you don't like it.

I would've never returned to this game after about 7 months if I didn't like it. I do like it, its just hard to find fun in it.

Then stop wasting your time and find something that is fun to you.

Already done. I'm now playing more Battlefield 3 and Crysis 3. The devs of those games know what they're doing with multiplayer.

LOLWUT?! I can't believe you just made such an terrible statement and comparison. I can't speak for crysis 3 but bf3? No, the devastating do NOT know what they are doing aside from ruining the bf franchise and making a cod clone with additional terrible features. Jeez what is wrong with you. Bw at least listen to their community, to an extent. DICE don't inless it suits the   

[UEG Donkey]

BarrettXM wrote...

StrawHatMoose wrote...

Link to manifest? If you've been playing since release, I'd like to see your manifest.

http://social.bioware.com/n7hq/?name=BarrettXM&platform=ps3
When you see this, remember that I haven't played this game over a 3-4 month period.

You haven't even unlocked the uncommons

[Xetto]

Kaelis_33 wrote...

Tecco wrote...

Kaelis_33 wrote...

What the OP just described is in essence new player frustration, and the guy will not get a break. The community that has been here and had the advantage to play when the factions were not revamped to be harder dont care. Many were able to play and draw from a much smaller pool of weapons early on.

I don't like this game much anymore either. For me it came down to never being able to afford needed consumables like medigels and get any items and characters unlocked. I was trying to spend everything I could to get PSPs to get the bloody characters unlocked from reckoning and I still am missing a few I really want. I even spent 20 bucks buying straight up reserves packs and I got not a single thing I needed/wanted from it.

And I hate the scoreboard in this supposedly coop game it ruins all the coop play with so many chasing the virtual digits rather than help their team or teammates.

Where i do somewhat agree with the scoreboard often have a negative impact og peoples playstyle, it is the only tool we have to show if people are "bad players"/"in over their head". it is no poblem being last, but if the 3rd placed player have 3-5x your score, then it indicates that you are on a difficulty you shouldnt be.

You don't need a scoreboard to know who is bad or not. You can be an abo****e ****** and get high score. But in all honesty all they ever needed to do was give us the option to exclude people who turn off scores. So that everyone gets what they want. Those that want to point ****, or feel there is some necessity can have only players with points turned on in their games.

And people like me who think it destroys the whole team play concept can have it the other way around. Win win. I personally don't mind playing with people who are not any good. I enjoy team work and getting things done. the group dynamics, bad team mates just make the group dynamics more important, increase challenge and fun.

this game absolutely does not appeal to the team oriented type like it should even though its sold as 4 man coop. Its what is causing a lot of nager and rage. All they ever had to do was give people the option to turn off scores, or even for gods sake not put it in your face when you stop a match. Something, but the way it's setup now they encourage people to be tools in game. 

Well i agree, you know when people are running ahead and dying he is a scrub, or not helping with objectives and stuff, but ALOT of the times, the players that are really really REALLY low on the scoreboard often more a liability than a asset to the team, messing up spawnpoints and scattering groups so you have single units running about around every corner(same goes actually for the wannabe Shepards) BUT again i agree that it is a really really REALLY flawed system since the scrubs who run ahead every wave to hoard points and are lying dead the last 2 waves where it really matters, thinks they are good players due to high score.
But face it, if people cant score 1/5th of the guy on the 3rd place he is in way over his head, or leeching on the rest of the team, and should feel bad for hampering the game for the other 3 players.

[MajorStupidity]

If you have to unlock specific weapons just to enjoy the game, then you probably should give up now. The rest of us all had to go through the same issues as you and we didn't go on BSN and complain this much. I have yet to receive a lancer from the RNG and I have been playing lots since the DLC launched, yet I still enjoy the game for the gameplay. I don't have to unlock a specific weapon just to enjoy a game...

[sandboxgod]

Granted, the RNG store is 100% awful in the case when you are being denied content that you wish you had access to. But the solution is normally very easy. Simply uninstall all the other DLCs and 'roll' on the DLC you care bout. This way all of your credits will be applied to the items you really want.

If you're on Xbox you can move all the other DLCs to a USB card. Start up the game and spend the credits you've saved. Max up some guns & gear. Then move the DLCs back to the hard drive and enjoy your maxed items.

RNG only really gets evil once you've maxed the rares and reached endgame. Nothing can save you from the whims of RNG at that point besides lots of dancing and prayer to get that elusive ultra rare. Luckily I've gotten pretty decent at this game and have a pretty high extraction rate. So I can afford those 100k packs if I wanted to. But dont really care. I got all the guns I want at high levels and am very content

[billpickles]

BarrettXM wrote...

Tecco wrote...

While i agree that there are alot of garbage weapons in the game, there is afew that are really good even at 1.
Ive seen people do amazing things with various wpns in me3; javeling killstreak, oneshot brutes, and many more, so they can't be THAT bad.
Chances are that if you just started, then even if you were to start with all wpns at 10, you would still fail horribly at the higher difficulties. I remember my own first bronze game, i got pewned instant and felt i would never ever be good enough for silver.
Now i can take a soldier armed only with predator pistol and rock silver.
And if you really dislike ALL the weapons then id advise you to use the power classes.
classes like eg. the classic Human Adept is platinium viable without equipping any weapons at all, and i would be able to take this class to any diff even if my manifast were wiped.

When this is said, id say that if you need all the awesome wpns to have fun, there might be a chance that you even with theese wpns, wont have fun in the game.
I had great fun when i started(eventho i had no wpns), and i still have great fun.

I haven't just started. I've had this game since it was released. Probably longer than anyone else here. I even played the multiplayer demo early via a Battlefield 3 promo.
I don't dislike ALL the weapons but there is only a few weapons I have which I really like. Also, I actually completed my first platinum match with the Human Adept. I got almost no kills but I did manage by spamming Warp or whatever he has. I think the Human Adept has a support role more than anything else.
Like I said, I, unfortunately, don't have any of the powerful weapons than can just mow down enemies. 

So you're basically saying you managed to get carried through a Platinum match.  Congratulations!

If you got "almost no kills" (other than maybe as a Volus), you were playing on the wrong difficulty level.

[billpickles]

BarrettXM wrote...

xtorma wrote...
Bottom line here is that even with a harrier 10, i highly doubt you would be worth anything on gold, if you are not able to contribute with a lesser weapon and the right build.

With the mediocre AI, there doesn't seem to be much skill involved in this game. All you have to do is shoot and avoid enemies. Higher difficulties only increase enemy health, weapon damage and frequency. 

If there's no skill involved, why is it that some players can solo Plat with an Avenger while others get pwned in Bronze or Silver even with powerful weapons?

Ugh...I can't believe I keep feeding this troll.  Help me to stop!

Modifié par billpickles, 16 mars 2013 - 04:52 .

[sandboxgod]

Granted, in those solos those guys are using Avenger X. I'd love to see them accomplish those feats with Avenger I. I cant recall ever seeing that tried. I'd settle for 4 guys with Avenger I, etc too

edit- To be clear, I'd love to see these feats accomplished with pure day 1 noob loot

Modifié par sandboxgod, 16 mars 2013 - 05:02 .

[IXISHINOBIIXI]

it sounds like your complaining because your not very good at the game. maybe you need to look up some builds online that can help you out with that. and weapons are not your only means of damage ive played games where i never used my weapons just powers on gold and i was top scorer. if bronze is not easy enough for you then i dont know what to tell you. also how do you have the game longer than anyone and only have 125hrs playing.

Modifié par IXISHINOBIIXI, 16 mars 2013 - 05:15 .

[Xetto]

sandboxgod wrote...

Granted, in those solos those guys are using Avenger X. I'd love to see them accomplish those feats with Avenger I. I cant recall ever seeing that tried. I'd settle for 4 guys with Avenger I, etc too

edit- To be clear, I'd love to see these feats accomplished with pure day 1 noob loot

Depends on class, id wager i could go directly on gold with almost any Adept class and no equipment or weapon what so ever, and have a really good score efter extraction.
Same goes with the sentinels with power synergy(like warp/throw combo)

[sandboxgod]

I do agree though with billpickles' post though there is an immense amount of player skill involved. Just general things like knowing where spawns pop up is a big help or knowing how to distract spawns away from the objective is huge. There's a lot of little things that a beginner doesnt realize.

[billpickles]

sandboxgod wrote...

Granted, in those solos those guys are using Avenger X. I'd love to see them accomplish those feats with Avenger I. I cant recall ever seeing that tried. I'd settle for 4 guys with Avenger I, etc too

edit- To be clear, I'd love to see these feats accomplished with pure day 1 noob loot

True, but by the time you amass the skill to solo Plat with an Avenger, you're almost certain to have leveld it.  I would imgine folks who can do it with an Avenger X could also do it with and Avenger I.  The problem is an Avenger I is no longer available to them.

To be clear, I am not counting myself among these players.

[Saboteur-6]

So you're only saying that you don't like the MP because you:

1. Don't like the random pool design of the store.

2. Don't have many weapons and what you have is low.

The answers are pretty obvious :

1. The oft criticized random pack drops is specifically designed to be the way it is. It's a business model. You're not supposed to be able to unlock whatever weapon/character you want, whenever you want. It's designed this way to extend longevity of the game as well as turning a profit. Either you accept that and have fun within it's limitations or you don't.

2. Player skills and using more tech damage / power characters will offset a lack of weapons. Increase both in bronze and silver because honestly, it doesn't sound like you're ready for gold/plat.

[BarrettXM]

I don't think I could be arsed responding to all these samey replies.
You all seem to be great, high-mentality players. So if you want, add me on PSN(BarrettXM). We can play together, I can have fun and everyone's happy.

[BarrettXM]

Vech24 wrote...

So you're only saying that you don't like the MP because you:

1. Don't like the random pool design of the store.

2. Don't have many weapons and what you have is low.

The answers are pretty obvious :

1. The oft criticized random pack drops is specifically designed to be the way it is. It's a business model. You're not supposed to be able to unlock whatever weapon/character you want, whenever you want. It's designed this way to extend longevity of the game as well as turning a profit. Either you accept that and have fun within it's limitations or you don't.

2. Player skills and using more tech damage / power characters will offset a lack of weapons. Increase both in bronze and silver because honestly, it doesn't sound like you're ready for gold/plat.

1. Correction: Its another one of EA's conduits for players to send money to the coporate-greedy company.

2. I can complete Gold matches with no problem. However, I only have one setup that's fun to use. And the fun doesn't persist. 

[BarrettXM]

Coffee Culture wrote...

BarrettXM wrote...

Coffee Culture wrote...

BarrettXM wrote...

Show me the video, then. 

Here.

Well that looks easy for them. They have maxed weapons and high-level equipment.

It does not take very long at all to max out your common weapons. Also, they are level one so they do not get the weapon bonuses from their passives. If you play with your level 20 kit you should be fine with lower level equipment. Too bad you say you don't want to use it. 

I maxed out my common weapons a long time ago. And I don't want to use it because I don't believe that it is not effective enough for my playstyle.

Modifié par BarrettXM, 16 mars 2013 - 05:46 .

[BarrettXM]

Coffee Culture wrote...

BarrettXM wrote...

Coffee Culture wrote...

I agree that the RNG store can be quite annoying at times, but that
doesn't seem to be the issue here. You can't just walk into a game
like this and expect to be the best without any investment... All you
are doing is coming across like an entitled brat. You didn't even pay
for the multiplayer DLC. 

Unlocking new kits/guns/etc is part of the fun in the game. With games like
Skyrim, you still have to put some effort to get abilities (like
perks at the end of a skill tree) or items (from the end of a quest
line or a boss). ME3 MP is similar to this (but with a little added
zest of RNG). 

You also need to take time to learn the game. If you toss someone who is
not very good into a gold/plat match by themselves, a maxed manifest
will not save them.

My advice to you is to go out and find some friends to play with –
games become a lot more fun, and not just a grind for credits. Try
themed matches or use a randomizer. 

I'm not expecting to be the best without any investment. But it takes an outrageous amout of investment to be worth a damn. I know this game very well. I've played it since it was realeased on 9th March 2012. Probably longer than anyone else here. And finding people to play with is not a good idea since most people I play with are crap and do not follow orders. The only order I ever give out is telling people to move somewhere so that they don't get killed. There is a lot of low-mentality players here.

If you are so much better than everyone else then you shouldn't need to worry about unlocking new weapons then. Problem solved. Care to link us to your manifest? <3

Well I'm not so much better than everyone else because most of my weapons, equipment, etc. are crap.

[KiraTsukasa]

BarrettXM wrote...

Well I'm not so much better than everyone else because most of my weapons, equipment, etc. are crap.

You can still be good without maxed weapons and gear.