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[BarrettXM]

Tecco wrote...

BarrettXM wrote...

Tecco wrote...

BarrettXM wrote...

Tecco wrote...

While i agree that there are alot of garbage weapons in the game, there is afew that are really good even at 1.
Ive seen people do amazing things with various wpns in me3; javeling killstreak, oneshot brutes, and many more, so they can't be THAT bad.
Chances are that if you just started, then even if you were to start with all wpns at 10, you would still fail horribly at the higher difficulties. I remember my own first bronze game, i got pewned instant and felt i would never ever be good enough for silver.
Now i can take a soldier armed only with predator pistol and rock silver.
And if you really dislike ALL the weapons then id advise you to use the power classes.
classes like eg. the classic Human Adept is platinium viable without equipping any weapons at all, and i would be able to take this class to any diff even if my manifast were wiped.

When this is said, id say that if you need all the awesome wpns to have fun, there might be a chance that you even with theese wpns, wont have fun in the game.
I had great fun when i started(eventho i had no wpns), and i still have great fun.

I haven't just started. I've had this game since it was released. Probably longer than anyone else here. I even played the multiplayer demo early via a Battlefield 3 promo.
I don't dislike ALL the weapons but there is only a few weapons I have which I really like. Also, I actually completed my first platinum match with the Human Adept. I got almost no kills but I did manage by spamming Warp or whatever he has. I think the Human Adept has a support role more than anything else.
Like I said, I, unfortunately, don't have any of the powerful weapons than can just mow down enemies. 

Your lack of knowledge betrays your lies.

If you think that the classic human adept is only good for spamming warp and are a support class then you have defently not played Me3 Multiplayer alot.
And lying about it does'nt help your arguments a whole lot.

Eh?
I genuinely completed a platinum match once using a Human Adept. I don't play as the Human Adept so I wouldn't know what it's role actually is. I was very suprised of the effectiveness of him on PLATINUM challenge.

I find it horrific that you take a human adept to a platinium game without knowing his "role"

If you only spammed warp and didnt kill anything on platinium with a human adept then you DID NOT complete a platinium match, then(sorry to say) your TEAM completed it for you.

Also saying you found him EFFECTIVE on platinium and at the same time saying you DIDNT KILL ANYTHING and only spammed warp? How is that effective?

Infact is sounds like a complete lack of understanding of how the power classes should be played.

It also shows that you mess around on a difficulty where you clearly dont belong, wich can explain why you think all the weapons are bad, and why you are having a hard time having fun.

Id, advice you to go back to silver or even bronze, where ever you feel you do best(Where you can actually contribute to the succes of the group).
None of us started on plat and could steamroll everything, enfact most never get past silver. That doesent mean they dont have fun.
Forget about the whole wpn race, and you might start having fun.
Again if you dont have fun without the wpns, then with a 99% probablilty, you wont have fun with them.

I should let you know that this platinum match was a long time ago so I can't remember all the details.

I found it horrific, too. But it worked.

I said I got ALMOST no kills. And if you really want, then I didn't complete Platinum challenge, WE completed it. I was dealing with the objectives while the others were dealing with the enemies. I found the Human Adept effective because he was able to deal damage and stay alive quite well.

And I do belong on that difficulty. The problem is that other people don't. And its their fault that I lose on Platinum challenge, not mine. I'm talking about players who stand in massive chokepoints expecting to kill everything that appears and fail at it.

[Saboteur-6]

BarrettXM wrote...

Vech24 wrote...

So you're only saying that you don't like the MP because you:

1. Don't like the random pool design of the store.

2. Don't have many weapons and what you have is low.

The answers are pretty obvious :

1. The oft criticized random pack drops is specifically designed to be the way it is. It's a business model. You're not supposed to be able to unlock whatever weapon/character you want, whenever you want. It's designed this way to extend longevity of the game as well as turning a profit. Either you accept that and have fun within it's limitations or you don't.

2. Player skills and using more tech damage / power characters will offset a lack of weapons. Increase both in bronze and silver because honestly, it doesn't sound like you're ready for gold/plat.

1. Correction: Its another one of EA's conduits for players to send money to the coporate-greedy company.

2. I can complete Gold matches with no problem. However, I only have one setup that's fun to use. And the fun doesn't persist. 

1. The model of the store directly provided lucrative means to support all the free expansion DLC/tweaks that you're complaining about not having. The kicker: it's totally optional to spend real money at the store.

2. Then honestly, stop playing the game. If you don't find any redeeming entertainment value in something then stop doing it. I could list options to shake things up for you to possibly make it more enjoyable but... the tone of your post isn't asking for that so I'm not wasting my time.

[BarrettXM]

KiraTsukasa wrote...

BarrettXM wrote...

Well I'm not so much better than everyone else because most of my weapons, equipment, etc. are crap.

You can still be good without maxed weapons and gear.

And more often than not,  I can't be good with low-level weapons and gear.

[BarrettXM]

Vech24 wrote...

BarrettXM wrote...

Vech24 wrote...

So you're only saying that you don't like the MP because you:

1. Don't like the random pool design of the store.

2. Don't have many weapons and what you have is low.

The answers are pretty obvious :

1. The oft criticized random pack drops is specifically designed to be the way it is. It's a business model. You're not supposed to be able to unlock whatever weapon/character you want, whenever you want. It's designed this way to extend longevity of the game as well as turning a profit. Either you accept that and have fun within it's limitations or you don't.

2. Player skills and using more tech damage / power characters will offset a lack of weapons. Increase both in bronze and silver because honestly, it doesn't sound like you're ready for gold/plat.

1. Correction: Its another one of EA's conduits for players to send money to the coporate-greedy company.

2. I can complete Gold matches with no problem. However, I only have one setup that's fun to use. And the fun doesn't persist. 

1. The model of the store directly provided lucrative means to support all the free expansion DLC/tweaks that you're complaining about not having. The kicker: it's totally optional to spend real money at the store.

2. Then honestly, stop playing the game. If you don't find any redeeming entertainment value in something then stop doing it. I could list options to shake things up for you to possibly make it more enjoyable but... the tone of your post isn't asking for that so I'm not wasting my time.

List the options, then. Go on, I'm intrigued!

[BarrettXM]

Pyrrhus19 wrote...

Coffee Culture wrote...

If you are so much better than everyone else then you shouldn't need to worry about unlocking new weapons then. Problem solved. Care to link us to your manifest? <3

He linked his manifest on the previous page.

http://social.biowar...XM&platform=ps3

@BarrettXM: You have a Claymore X and you're whining about not having powerful weapons?

Because the Claymore X isn't a brilliant weapon. It can kill most enemies in one hit but you have one round per clip and a low ammo count. Its accuracy isn't good either. You'll need some time to line up the target in the middle of the circular reticle for the round to hit it.

[BarrettXM]

xtorma wrote...

Pyrrhus19 wrote...

Coffee Culture wrote...

If you are so much better than everyone else then you shouldn't need to worry about unlocking new weapons then. Problem solved. Care to link us to your manifest? <3

He linked his manifest on the previous page.

http://social.biowar...XM&platform=ps3

@BarrettXM: You have a Claymore X and you're whining about not having powerful weapons?

After seeing his manifest I am now convinced that this guy either is trolling, or clueless.

Barrett, you have classes that do not need weapons at all.

But its still compulsory to carry weapons. And I prefer using weapons because its a simple, reliable method to take down enemies. That's why the Soldier class is my favourite.

[BarrettXM]

Pyrrhus19 wrote...

+ +

Thank you for the loadout. I'll use it next time I'm on ME3.

[BarrettXM]

Sethvir Fireborn wrote...

Hopefully you have been buying packs according to unlocking the stuff to go with it... Like buying Recruit Packs till you have all the common stuff, Veteran Packs till you have all the Uncommon weapons/weapon mods and characters before moving up to the Premium Spectre Packs... I had a friend that started buying PSP before she had finished the other stuff and complained about not getting any rares till we explained the shop system and the better/easier way to do it...

I only say this because keep seeing plenty of people with low N7 levels with level 1 rare gear on but do not have any weapon mods or only one to go with it... Does make it easier with mentioned way

I did do that with recruit packs but not with veteran packs. I'll bear that in mind for reforming myself with this game.

[BarrettXM]

ISHYGDDT wrote...

Yriss wrote...

This must be a joke/troll post.

I certainly hope so.

It is not.

[Saboteur-6]

Alright I'd be willing to try and help you because I, like many others, have enjoyed the MP over the past year. In order to do that though I'd need to know some things about you.


1. Do you have a preferred / unpreferred play style? (For example do you hate sniping but enjoy "caster" heavy power use game play or vice versa, etc. )


2. Do you enjoy the general combat gameplay of the game? (Meaning the survival wave format, the use of hard/soft cover, the co-op design, etc). Expand either way please

3.. Do you know how to post your manifest from this site? (From that people can suggest builds).

[BarrettXM]

xtorma wrote...

BarrettXM wrote...

xtorma wrote...

BarrettXM wrote...

xtorma wrote...

BarrettXM wrote...

xtorma wrote...

If you are having trouble in bronze, then all the weapons in the universe can't help you. If you are having trouble on a higher difficulty then you need to play bronze to learn.

I have no problem in Bronze or Silver. Just Gold and Platinum. There is a MASSIVE jump between Silver and Gold. 

Your problem is skill based, not weapon based. Great weapons can only supplement a poor skill level a little bit. Certianly not enough for you to make the jump from silver to gold. There are vids of people duoing platinum with avengers.

Bottom line here is that even with a harrier 10, i highly doubt you would be worth anything on gold, if you are not able to contribute with a lesser weapon and the right build.

With the mediocre AI, there doesn't seem to be much skill involved in this game. All you have to do is shoot and avoid enemies. Higher difficulties only increase enemy health, weapon damage and frequency. 

If the ai is mediocre, and no skill is required, then I don't see any problem here. It has already been proven people can complete the highest difficulties with the basic weapons everyone gets at the beginning.

There is a problem here. No matter how skilled you are, you still need high-power weapons to be successful. 

This is false. Skill trumps equipment every time. You may be able to be a little quicker, with a harrier 10, but weapons do not ensure a successful match, skill does. I have stated this already though, and you only seem to read what you want to read.

But its true! Your firepower is what matters, not skill. Because all you have to do is shoot enemies.

[Xetto]

BarrettXM wrote...

Coffee Culture wrote...

BarrettXM wrote...

Coffee Culture wrote...

I agree that the RNG store can be quite annoying at times, but that
doesn't seem to be the issue here. You can't just walk into a game
like this and expect to be the best without any investment... All you
are doing is coming across like an entitled brat. You didn't even pay
for the multiplayer DLC. 

Unlocking new kits/guns/etc is part of the fun in the game. With games like
Skyrim, you still have to put some effort to get abilities (like
perks at the end of a skill tree) or items (from the end of a quest
line or a boss). ME3 MP is similar to this (but with a little added
zest of RNG). 

You also need to take time to learn the game. If you toss someone who is
not very good into a gold/plat match by themselves, a maxed manifest
will not save them.

My advice to you is to go out and find some friends to play with –
games become a lot more fun, and not just a grind for credits. Try
themed matches or use a randomizer. 

I'm not expecting to be the best without any investment. But it takes an outrageous amout of investment to be worth a damn. I know this game very well. I've played it since it was realeased on 9th March 2012. Probably longer than anyone else here. And finding people to play with is not a good idea since most people I play with are crap and do not follow orders. The only order I ever give out is telling people to move somewhere so that they don't get killed. There is a lot of low-mentality players here.

If you are so much better than everyone else then you shouldn't need to worry about unlocking new weapons then. Problem solved. Care to link us to your manifest? <3

Well I'm not so much better than everyone else because most of my weapons, equipment, etc. are crap.

Lol there is like 100 posts trying to explain to you that weapons is not the main asset for a good player in this game, one is skill, but the most important is understanding of gamemecanics, such as spawn points and priming and detonating.

There is coutless of kits availeble already in your manifest that can be played without firing as much as a shot and still do awesome on top difficulty.
classic human adept: as my favorite, Enormous dmg BE's 2Shot Packs of brutes and whatever are to close to detonation.
N7 fury: is a BE MONSTER aswell
Asari Adept: Stasis + warp/trow for massive BE's aswell
Human sentinel: warp/trow, i would take AA tho.
Asari justicar: seriously most gold games i can get top score just from mindlessly spamming reave over and over.
Krogan BattleMaster: charge and headbutt all the things
N7 Shadow: backstab all the things
Human Smashdept
Human Smashguard

All theese can be played on high difficulty with no weapons at all!!!

The claymore is considered the best shotty in the game and you have in on x. So in theory you should de freaking awesome on any difficulty with any infiltrator wielding that.
Same with the widow, skilled players easy rock on higher difficulties ith that
You have reeger carbine it is ano brainer aswell.
Even with the weapons you have availeble in your you should be able to have loads of fun, with the kits you have unlocked.

But all theese no matter weapon or not requires you to know what you are doing.

[ElementL09]

Alondite wrote...

The overall design of the multiplayer is quite poor, and incredibly abstract (the invisible Brute melee hitbox? Yeah). Unfortunately, things like enemies having tons of health and sync-killing are band-aids used as an attempt to cover up the glaring design flaws. Enemies have zero sense of self-preservation or intelligent AI (among many other things), so they get tons of health and damage, the ability to see through walls, and irregular, unnaturally quick/weightless movement patters to compensate. If the core design was done properly, there would be more organic (and fun) methods to balancing the game.

Self-Preservation............there Reaper Indocturnated/turned/controlled forces........

Modifié par ElementL09, 16 mars 2013 - 06:34 .

[Tallgeese_VII]

ME3 MP has huge contents, and there are more than one way to enjoy this game.

Frustration is understandable, but enjoying game to its fullest should help out get over the frustration.

During the early time of ME3 MP, this is what you used to get with MAXED manifest.



Now at least, the store gives you something you can use istead of something that is completely wortheless.


Enjoy the contents you have available, and enjoy the new ones with patience as you unlock them.

It`s no competetion, and BW does expect overly frustrated player to spend some cash to support the game.

[BarrettXM]

Vech24 wrote...

Alright I'd be willing to try and help you because I, like many others, have enjoyed the MP over the past year. In order to do that though I'd need to know some things about you.


1. Do you have a preferred / unpreferred play style? (For example do you hate sniping but enjoy "caster" heavy power use game play or vice versa, etc. )


2. Do you enjoy the general combat gameplay of the game? (Meaning the survival wave format, the use of hard/soft cover, the co-op design, etc). Expand either way please

3.. Do you know how to post your manifest from this site? (From that people can suggest builds).

1. I prefer to be like a tank and deal & absorb a lot of damage. For this reason, the N7 Destroyer is my favourite character. I don't care much about mobility. I prefer to use an assault rifle and a shotgun. One of my favourite combinations of these weapons is the M-76 Revenant and Reegar Carbine. The Revenant has consistent performance and the Carbine is just amazing. It kills so quickly. Its like it was made just for me.

2. I do enjoy the combat gameplay of the game. Waiting for enemies to close in and then BAM! They've been blasted into next week. 

3. http://social.biowar...XM&platform=ps3

[BarrettXM]

Tecco wrote...

BarrettXM wrote...

Coffee Culture wrote...

BarrettXM wrote...

Coffee Culture wrote...

I agree that the RNG store can be quite annoying at times, but that
doesn't seem to be the issue here. You can't just walk into a game
like this and expect to be the best without any investment... All you
are doing is coming across like an entitled brat. You didn't even pay
for the multiplayer DLC. 

Unlocking new kits/guns/etc is part of the fun in the game. With games like
Skyrim, you still have to put some effort to get abilities (like
perks at the end of a skill tree) or items (from the end of a quest
line or a boss). ME3 MP is similar to this (but with a little added
zest of RNG). 

You also need to take time to learn the game. If you toss someone who is
not very good into a gold/plat match by themselves, a maxed manifest
will not save them.

My advice to you is to go out and find some friends to play with –
games become a lot more fun, and not just a grind for credits. Try
themed matches or use a randomizer. 

I'm not expecting to be the best without any investment. But it takes an outrageous amout of investment to be worth a damn. I know this game very well. I've played it since it was realeased on 9th March 2012. Probably longer than anyone else here. And finding people to play with is not a good idea since most people I play with are crap and do not follow orders. The only order I ever give out is telling people to move somewhere so that they don't get killed. There is a lot of low-mentality players here.

If you are so much better than everyone else then you shouldn't need to worry about unlocking new weapons then. Problem solved. Care to link us to your manifest? <3

Well I'm not so much better than everyone else because most of my weapons, equipment, etc. are crap.

Lol there is like 100 posts trying to explain to you that weapons is not the main asset for a good player in this game, one is skill, but the most important is understanding of gamemecanics, such as spawn points and priming and detonating.

There is coutless of kits availeble already in your manifest that can be played without firing as much as a shot and still do awesome on top difficulty.
classic human adept: as my favorite, Enormous dmg BE's 2Shot Packs of brutes and whatever are to close to detonation.
N7 fury: is a BE MONSTER aswell
Asari Adept: Stasis + warp/trow for massive BE's aswell
Human sentinel: warp/trow, i would take AA tho.
Asari justicar: seriously most gold games i can get top score just from mindlessly spamming reave over and over.
Krogan BattleMaster: charge and headbutt all the things
N7 Shadow: backstab all the things
Human Smashdept
Human Smashguard

All theese can be played on high difficulty with no weapons at all!!!

The claymore is considered the best shotty in the game and you have in on x. So in theory you should de freaking awesome on any difficulty with any infiltrator wielding that.
Same with the widow, skilled players easy rock on higher difficulties ith that
You have reeger carbine it is ano brainer aswell.
Even with the weapons you have availeble in your you should be able to have loads of fun, with the kits you have unlocked.

But all theese no matter weapon or not requires you to know what you are doing.

I prefer to play it safe and with weapons. When I play as characters like the N7 Fury and use his powers, I usually get my arse handed to me because it involves being out in the open. I haven't had much experience with the N7 Fury, though. I might try him again later.

[Xetto]

BarrettXM wrote...

Pyrrhus19 wrote...

Coffee Culture wrote...

If you are so much better than everyone else then you shouldn't need to worry about unlocking new weapons then. Problem solved. Care to link us to your manifest? <3

He linked his manifest on the previous page.

http://social.biowar...XM&platform=ps3

@BarrettXM: You have a Claymore X and you're whining about not having powerful weapons?

Because the Claymore X isn't a brilliant weapon. It can kill most enemies in one hit but you have one round per clip and a low ammo count. Its accuracy isn't good either. You'll need some time to line up the target in the middle of the circular reticle for the round to hit it.

You serious!? Again a obvious not even ready for silver game comment.
What about snipers? They arent optimal because you have to line up a headshot?
What weapon is it in the rng store that you want!??? What weapon is it that you think will be your holy grail?
The harrier? 
If you cant hit with claymore, what makes you think you can hit with anything else? 

[BarrettXM]

Tallgeese_VII wrote...

ME3 MP has huge contents, and there are more than one way to enjoy this game.

Frustration is understandable, but enjoying game to its fullest should help out get over the frustration.

During the early time of ME3 MP, this is what you used to get with MAXED manifest.



Now at least, the store gives you something you can use istead of something that is completely wortheless.


Enjoy the contents you have available, and enjoy the new ones with patience as you unlock them.

It`s no competetion, and BW does expect overly frustrated player to spend some cash to support the game.

Extra consumables would always be nice to get when you have a maxed manifest.

[BarrettXM]

Tecco wrote...

BarrettXM wrote...

Pyrrhus19 wrote...

Coffee Culture wrote...

If you are so much better than everyone else then you shouldn't need to worry about unlocking new weapons then. Problem solved. Care to link us to your manifest? <3

He linked his manifest on the previous page.

http://social.biowar...XM&platform=ps3

@BarrettXM: You have a Claymore X and you're whining about not having powerful weapons?

Because the Claymore X isn't a brilliant weapon. It can kill most enemies in one hit but you have one round per clip and a low ammo count. Its accuracy isn't good either. You'll need some time to line up the target in the middle of the circular reticle for the round to hit it.

You serious!? Again a obvious not even ready for silver game comment.
What about snipers? They arent optimal because you have to line up a headshot?
What weapon is it in the rng store that you want!??? What weapon is it that you think will be your holy grail?
The harrier? 
If you cant hit with claymore, what makes you think you can hit with anything else? 

Don't worry, I can hit with the Claymore.

[BarrettXM]

ElementL09 wrote...

Alondite wrote...

The overall design of the multiplayer is quite poor, and incredibly abstract (the invisible Brute melee hitbox? Yeah). Unfortunately, things like enemies having tons of health and sync-killing are band-aids used as an attempt to cover up the glaring design flaws. Enemies have zero sense of self-preservation or intelligent AI (among many other things), so they get tons of health and damage, the ability to see through walls, and irregular, unnaturally quick/weightless movement patters to compensate. If the core design was done properly, there would be more organic (and fun) methods to balancing the game.

Self-Preservation............there Reaper Indocturnated/turned/controlled forces........

Well I think factions like Cerberus are smart enough to not walk into someone's bullets.

[BarrettXM]

krizalid9999 wrote...

BarrettXM wrote...


Another problem is the woefully low power of pretty much all weapons in the game. Think about which enemies can kill you quicker than you can kill them. Take into account that there are even more of that enemy plus enemies more powerful than the aforementioned enemy itself. You're probably not gonna survive, even if you're with other people. Unless your weapon can kill twice as fast as all the enemies' weapons except those of boss enemies. Unfortunately, none of the weapons I have can do that in their current status. Its really not fun when I'm shooting enemies with high-power weapons and the health/armour bar is just crawling to 0%. And before anyone tells me to use the Cerberus Harrier or something like that, I don't have any weapons like that. Why's that so? Answer: Read the paragraph above. The simple solution to this would be to decrease health of enemies. And if that would make the game too easy, increase the number of enemies that can be on the ground at once as well.

So this game is bad because you feel it is too hard for you ?

Baaawww...
Here take this copy of pokemon and go play with your friends.

If you're a boy , grow some balls and stop whinning , if you're a girl , grow some balls and stop whinning.

Kids these days...

Its not TOO hard for me. I like hard games anyway. Games that require knowledge & thought to beat and are SUPER MEGA ULTRA HARDCORE MASTODON CHALLENGES OF DOOM!!! Just kidding, but you know what I'm talking about.

I'm a boy who is 16 years of age. And why should a girl grow some balls? That would make her extremely unattractive. 

[Mondhase]

BarrettXM wrote...

I prefer to play it safe and with weapons. When I play as characters like the N7 Fury and use her powers, I usually get my arse handed to me because it involves being out in the open. I haven't had much experience with the N7 Fury, though. I might try her again later.

 

FTFY!

Modifié par Mondhase, 16 mars 2013 - 06:55 .

[BarrettXM]

FluffyCannibal wrote...

BarrettXM wrote...

Coffee Culture wrote...

BarrettXM wrote...

Show me the video, then. 

Here.

Well that looks easy for them. They have maxed weapons and high-level equipment.

Ummm...I thought using equipment makes no difference? Your argument is invalid, releasing control...

Do you live under a bridge that goats cross by any chance?

I don't remember saying equipment makes no difference. I only remember saying that MY crappy, low-level equipment makes no difference. And I live in a two-storey house with ten rooms.

[BarrettXM]

Mondhase wrote...

BarrettXM wrote...

I prefer to play it safe and with weapons. When I play as characters like the N7 Fury and use her powers, I usually get my arse handed to me because it involves being out in the open. I haven't had much experience with the N7 Fury, though. I might try her again later.

 

FTFY!

Eh?

[BarrettXM]

Right, that's enough responses to replies for me, tonight. If you'd like to help me out, by all means do so. And add me on PSN.