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[New Display Name]

RShara wrote...

This thread is just ripe for big time trolling from both sides.

The supporters of this mod idea should make or go to a group, imo. I'm interested in lending my hand to the project.

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

chemiclord wrote...

Frankly, I'm NOT going to support people who try to change story content to suit their particular desires.

If you want a story told your way; MAKE YOUR OWN. Otherwise, deal with what you were given.

Personally, I don't think that Bioware cares about what we do to their story content. Just my observation.

And yes, making our own story is one option, but it's also perfectly ok to write fanfictions with these characters and change the events around to our own liking. If anything, that's what this would be. A live-action fanfiction.

Modifié par favoritehookeronthecitadel, 13 mars 2013 - 12:36 .

[sisterpatrick]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

even if people dislike mehem, there is no reason to become offensive.

i personally like thane (really) - but bringing him back to live, is illogical given his health status and the fact that he got a sword to his guts. bioware killed thane and there is no plausible way to work around that.

Um, what?  What offense?  I really like the mehem.  It's really well done.  Kudos to Mr Fob.  I'm grateful to him.  My question is really only to ask if he's considering a Thane happy ending as well.  It would be nice to try it for those who want to. 

[Dr_Extrem]

sisterpatrick wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

even if people dislike mehem, there is no reason to become offensive.

i personally like thane (really) - but bringing him back to live, is illogical given his health status and the fact that he got a sword to his guts. bioware killed thane and there is no plausible way to work around that.

Um, what?  What offense?  I really like the mehem.  It's really well done.  Kudos to Mr Fob.  I'm grateful to him.  My question is really only to ask if he's considering a Thane happy ending as well.  It would be nice to try it for those who want to. 

this part was not meant for you.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 13 mars 2013 - 12:55 .

[sisterpatrick]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

this part was not meant for you.

Oh, sorry.  I totally misunderstood you.  My mistake.  Wink back atcha: 

I take your point about the whole thing being implausible, but honestly, I found ME3's entire story is pretty implausible, so....why not give Thanemancers a happy ending if they want it?  My canon Shep was a Thane girl, and man, after the Cerberus attack the rest of the game just felt pointless and painful. 

The new dlc made it more meaningful at least - that was very well done. 

[Battlebloodmage]

Gangnam Style wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Isn't Mordin's name on the wall, regardless of whether he survived? If the modders wanted to, they could remove his deathbed scene, have him fake his own death for whatever reason and send Shepard an email explaining the situation.

seriously look at this. you people are worse at writing than bioware

Geez, your trolling is getting annoying, get a life.

[Iakus]

chemiclord wrote...

Frankly, I'm NOT going to support people who try to change story content to suit their particular desires.

If you want a story told your way; MAKE YOUR OWN. Otherwise, deal with what you were given.

That hack Goethe, totally ripping off Marlowe.  He should totally have written his own story 

As for Thane:  I really don't see how such a mod could be made that would make sense, given the tools and materials available.  I'd be curious to see if someone manages to do it, though I wouldn't implement such a mod myself.

[chemiclord]

iakus wrote...
That hack Goethe, totally ripping off Marlowe.  He should totally have written his own story 

As for Thane:  I really don't see how such a mod could be made that would make sense, given the tools and materials available.  I'd be curious to see if someone manages to do it, though I wouldn't implement such a mod myself.

Really?  Goethe took Marlowe's work verbatim, and only changed what he didn't like?

Oh... that's not what happened at all.  He took inspiration from an earlier work and made his own story from start to finish.

Well, I guess that analogy of yours didn't work in any way, shape, or form.  Sorry, you lose.  Please try again.

Modifié par chemiclord, 13 mars 2013 - 01:39 .

[Dr_Extrem]

chemiclord wrote...

iakus wrote...
That hack Goethe, totally ripping off Marlowe.  He should totally have written his own story 

As for Thane:  I really don't see how such a mod could be made that would make sense, given the tools and materials available.  I'd be curious to see if someone manages to do it, though I wouldn't implement such a mod myself.

Really?  Goethe took Marlowe's work verbatim, and only changed what he didn't like?

Oh... that's not what happened at all.  He took inspiration from an earlier work and made his own story from start to finish.

Well, I guess that analogy of yours didn't work in any way, shape, or form.  Sorry, you lose.  Please try again.

what about "i am legend"?

the movie only changed the ending.

[chemiclord]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

what about "i am legend"?

the movie only changed the ending.

A rare case of a movie remaining mostly true to the source material, I may add.  Then again, the switching of medium makes it for the most part original.  The visual interpretation of the story creates an original work.

If you wanted to make a science fiction story set in the near future that has a side character overcoming a terminal illness, be my guest.  I do believe it could even use many of the same "technologies" as Mass Effect (as I do not believe conceptual science can be copyrighted).

But taking the game verbatim and just modding out little bits and pieces because you don't like them?  Not okay, and blatantly disrespectful to the original creator.  I guess "disrespect" is only wrong when it's creator to fans.

Modifié par chemiclord, 13 mars 2013 - 01:47 .

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

chemiclord wrote...

But taking the game verbatim and just modding out little bits and pieces because you don't like them?  Not okay, and blatantly disrespectful to the original creator.  I guess "disrespect" is only wrong when it's creator to fans.

Why not? Bioware's been doing that with the DLCs.

[Dr_Extrem]

chemiclord wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

what about "i am legend"?

the movie only changed the ending.

A rare case of a movie remaining mostly true to the source material, I may add.  Then again, the switching of medium makes it for the most part original.  The visual interpretation of the story creates an original work.

If you wanted to make a science fiction story set in the near future that has a side character overcoming a terminal illness, be my guest.  I do believe it could even use many of the same "technologies" as Mass Effect (as I do not believe conceptual science can be copyrighted).

But taking the game verbatim and just modding out little bits and pieces because you don't like them?  Not okay, and blatantly disrespectful to the original creator.  I guess "disrespect" is only wrong when it's creator to fans.

i disagree. changing the medium is irrelavant - its only a different way to stimulate the audience.

the story is basically the same (except the ending) - that is what matters.


the movie company made the same. the audience did not like the ending - it was changed. but in this case, its you accept it, because the medium is different?

thats a double standard.



we had the discussion about disrespect several days ago. whyt you see as disrespect, can also be seen as constructive criticism or a form of protest. this is a question of perspective.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 13 mars 2013 - 02:08 .

[Iakus]

chemiclord wrote...

Really?  Goethe took Marlowe's work verbatim, and only changed what he didn't like?

Oh... that's not what happened at all.  He took inspiration from an earlier work and made his own story from start to finish.

Well, I guess that analogy of yours didn't work in any way, shape, or form.  Sorry, you lose.  Please try again.

Stories have been altered and changed for centuries or more to suit different audiences.  Fairy tales get altered to have better outcomes (In my dad's time, "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"'s final line was "And all they ever found was his hat")   

Stories change in the telling.  Like it or not.  Bioware has no problem with people modding their story (though they take no responsibility for any consequences that may result) so if they don't take offense, why should you?

[New Display Name]

Why do people assume that the writers would be disrespected? If I had made something that affected people enough that they created fan content, I would be honored. Obviously it's not as simple as all writers feeling the same way as the mod detractors do.

I've never seen the writers of Mass Effect claim that they feel offense from modding or fanfiction/etc, and the official word from Bioware on modding is that it's okay if it doesn't affect multiplayer. So why project your feelings onto the writers?

Modifié par HJF4, 13 mars 2013 - 02:12 .

[mnomaha]

The original creator of Thane is not at bioware, nor has he been since ME2. I will never grant the title of "writer" to the person responsible for his story in ME3.

I fully support this mod.

Modifié par mnomaha, 13 mars 2013 - 02:43 .

[chemiclord]

iakus wrote...

Stories have been altered and changed for centuries or more to suit different audiences.  Fairy tales get altered to have better outcomes (In my dad's time, "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"'s final line was "And all they ever found was his hat")   

Stories change in the telling.  Like it or not.  Bioware has no problem with people modding their story (though they take no responsibility for any consequences that may result) so if they don't take offense, why should you?

Because I can promise you Bioware's writers AREN'T "okay" with it... they've just decided it's not worth the fight.

I, on the other, DO think it's worth the fight.  For a fanbase that got so pissy, venomous, and aggressive over being "disrespected" by Bioware, it's disgusting that said fans have absolutely NO problem disrespecting the story that was told and saying, "**** you.  We know your story better than you."

[Dr_Extrem]

chemiclord wrote...

iakus wrote...

Stories have been altered and changed for centuries or more to suit different audiences.  Fairy tales get altered to have better outcomes (In my dad's time, "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"'s final line was "And all they ever found was his hat")   

Stories change in the telling.  Like it or not.  Bioware has no problem with people modding their story (though they take no responsibility for any consequences that may result) so if they don't take offense, why should you?

Because I can promise you Bioware's writers AREN'T "okay" with it... they've just decided it's not worth the fight.

I, on the other, DO think it's worth the fight.  For a fanbase that got so pissy, venomous, and aggressive over being "disrespected" by Bioware, it's disgusting that said fans have absolutely NO problem disrespecting the story that was told and saying, "**** you.  We know your story better than you."

not worth what fight? .. they could just go to priestlys office and tell him to shut this (or any other) mod down or add a file verification on every start.

there would be no fight - only one announcement.


and if the writers really decided that it is "not worth the fight" ... well .. that would tell me a lot on how they think of their own work. 

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 13 mars 2013 - 02:56 .

[Iakus]

chemiclord wrote...
Because I can promise you Bioware's writers AREN'T "okay" with it... they've just decided it's not worth the fight.

You'll forgive me if I don't take your word on it.

[chemiclord]

Dr_Extrem wrote...


not worth what fight? .. they could just go to priestlys office and tell him to shut this (or any other) mod down or add a file verification on every start.

there would be no fight - only one announcement.


and if the writers really decided that it is "not worth the fight" ... well .. that would tell me a lot on how they think of their own work. 

Yeah... followed by another flaming ****storm of hate from fans who think they're being disrespected by Bioware and their evil oppressive corporate EA overlords.  And don't pretend that wouldn't happen either.

They might not get as pissed off about it as I do, but I can guarantee you they aren't saying, "Yay!  Another group of fans who think what I did is pure **** and giving me a spiteful middle finger.  Goodie!" either.

Modifié par chemiclord, 13 mars 2013 - 03:09 .

[Dr_Extrem]

chemiclord wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...


not worth what fight? .. they could just go to priestlys office and tell him to shut this (or any other) mod down or add a file verification on every start.

there would be no fight - only one announcement.


and if the writers really decided that it is "not worth the fight" ... well .. that would tell me a lot on how they think of their own work. 

Yeah... followed by another flaming ****storm of hate from fans who think they're being disrespected by Bioware and their evil oppressive corporate EA overlords.  And don't pretend that wouldn't happen either.

well . they did not care about the last crapstorm ... why should they care now? remember ... minority ....

[Julia_xo]

chemiclord wrote...

iakus wrote...
Stories have been altered and changed for centuries or more to suit different audiences.  Fairy tales get altered to have better outcomes (In my dad's time, "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"'s final line was "And all they ever found was his hat")   

Stories change in the telling.  Like it or not.  Bioware has no problem with people modding their story (though they take no responsibility for any consequences that may result) so if they don't take offense, why should you?

Because I can promise you Bioware's writers AREN'T "okay" with it... they've just decided it's not worth the fight.

I, on the other, DO think it's worth the fight.  For a fanbase that got so pissy, venomous, and aggressive over being "disrespected" by Bioware, it's disgusting that said fans have absolutely NO problem disrespecting the story that was told and saying, "**** you.  We know your story better than you."

One of the selling points of these games is being able to make our own choices about what happens to Shepard and those around him/her. The choice was taken out of our hands concerning Thane in ME3 and it wasn't fair. He's the only LI that can't be saved no matter what. I AM NOT going to get into an arguement here about whether he should or should not have died. I don't think any LI should ever have a FORCED death in this kind of game.

If BioWare won't give the option to keep Thane alive then fans will do it themselves. As long as it's optional content for those who want it, I don't see what the problem is.

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

chemiclord wrote...

Because I can promise you Bioware's writers AREN'T "okay" with it... they've just decided it's not worth the fight.

I, on the other, DO think it's worth the fight.  For a fanbase that got so pissy, venomous, and aggressive over being "disrespected" by Bioware, it's disgusting that said fans have absolutely NO problem disrespecting the story that was told and saying, "**** you.  We know your story better than you."

First of all, stop with the name calling. It's obviously disrespectful and the first thing that'll get this thread locked.

Second of all, the "pissy, venomous, aggresive" fanbase had every reason in the WORLD to be angered with Bioware over Mass Effect 3. I mean, do you even remember the game, the original disc, when it first came out? All of that nonsense? Before all of the costy DLCs and available downloads. You couldn't even use your Shepard from the first 2 games, and for the people that did, it was even worst because of the endings. A few DLCs later, it's still by far Bioware's worst game and Citadel DLC shows that they're obviously cash cows.

So no, I don't think they care. At all. If and when there does become a Thane mod available, if they're even paying attention, the only thing that Bioware's going to be upset about is the fact that we're not charging 15$ with each download and sending it to them.

Bioware can get mad. I hope they get mad. I want to see what they do about it.

Modifié par favoritehookeronthecitadel, 13 mars 2013 - 03:17 .