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[MegaSovereign]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

well . they did not care about the last crapstorm ... why should they care now? remember ... minority ....

Yes they did. Regardless of how you feel about it, if they did not care at all they would have not created the Extended Cut. They would have not pushed back their entire DLC schedule to work on free content.

With that said, I sincerely doubt Bioware hates the MEHEM. Any mods, including MEHEM, keep the community aspect of the game stronger and from a business perspective this is a good thing. Also, there are people who are now repurchasing ME3 and or the trilogy on the PC in order to experience the MEHEM.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 13 mars 2013 - 03:18 .

[Dr_Extrem]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

well . they did not care about the last crapstorm ... why should they care now? remember ... minority ....

Yes they did. Regardless of how you feel about it, if they did not care at all they would have not created the Extended Cut. They would have not pushed back their entire DLC schedule to work on free content.

With that said, I sincerely doubt Bioware hates the MEHEM. Any mods, including MEHEM, keep the community aspect of the game stronger and from a business perspective this is a good thing. Also, there are people who are now repurchasing the ME3 and or the trilogy on the PC in order to experience the MEHEM.

i should have been more precise ..

the ec had a crapstorm as well.

[MegaSovereign]

Dr_Extrem wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

well . they did not care about the last crapstorm ... why should they care now? remember ... minority ....

Yes they did. Regardless of how you feel about it, if they did not care at all they would have not created the Extended Cut. They would have not pushed back their entire DLC schedule to work on free content.

With that said, I sincerely doubt Bioware hates the MEHEM. Any mods, including MEHEM, keep the community aspect of the game stronger and from a business perspective this is a good thing. Also, there are people who are now repurchasing the ME3 and or the trilogy on the PC in order to experience the MEHEM.

i should have been more precise ..

the ec had a crapstorm as well.

...No it didn't. Not even close.

[Dr_Extrem]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

well . they did not care about the last crapstorm ... why should they care now? remember ... minority ....

Yes they did. Regardless of how you feel about it, if they did not care at all they would have not created the Extended Cut. They would have not pushed back their entire DLC schedule to work on free content.

With that said, I sincerely doubt Bioware hates the MEHEM. Any mods, including MEHEM, keep the community aspect of the game stronger and from a business perspective this is a good thing. Also, there are people who are now repurchasing the ME3 and or the trilogy on the PC in order to experience the MEHEM.

i should have been more precise ..

the ec had a crapstorm as well.

...No it didn't. Not even close.

if we take this into account, the crapstorm caused by shutting down mods would be even smaller right?

[Xilizhra]

If you can put up with the voice acting that will no doubt seem crappy in comparison to the actual voice, then I'm all for it. I don't romance Thane myself, but I would have if I was straight, and I'm behind whatever you need to do to ease your pain over getting rather shafted in the romance department.

[RShara]

This thread just leaves me speechless in so many ways.

[mnomaha]

RShara wrote...

This thread just leaves me speechless in so many ways.

Take a picture my friend, I've never seen that side of you.

Just keep smiling, just keep smiling...it sounds better than swimming.

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

RShara wrote...

This thread just leaves me speechless in so many ways.

Thanks! Though typically if I'd rather leave someone breathless, namely my girlfriend in bed, but I'll take it.

[mnomaha]

favoritehookeronthecitadel wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

Because I can promise you Bioware's writers AREN'T "okay" with it... they've just decided it's not worth the fight.

I, on the other, DO think it's worth the fight.  For a fanbase that got so pissy, venomous, and aggressive over being "disrespected" by Bioware, it's disgusting that said fans have absolutely NO problem disrespecting the story that was told and saying, "**** you.  We know your story better than you."

First of all, stop with the name calling. It's obviously disrespectful and the first thing that'll get this thread locked.

Second of all, the "pissy, venomous, aggresive" fanbase had every reason in the WORLD to be angered with Bioware over Mass Effect 3. I mean, do you even remember the game, the original disc, when it first came out? All of that nonsense? Before all of the costy DLCs and available downloads. You couldn't even use your Shepard from the first 2 games, and for the people that did, it was even worst because of the endings. A few DLCs later, it's still by far Bioware's worst game and Citadel DLC shows that they're obviously cash cows.

So no, I don't think they care. At all. If and when there does become a Thane mod available, if they're even paying attention, the only thing that Bioware's going to be upset about is the fact that we're not charging 15$ with each download and sending it to them.

Bioware can get mad. I hope they get mad. I want to see what they do about it.

Well said. Very well said.  I doubt they'd close this part of the forum too.

[d1ta]

Meant no disrespect to the OP, but I think you should start this kinda discussion on the Fan Creation section. Otherwise, it might instigate flame war (mods vs anti-mods, Thaneshouldlive vs Thaneshoulddie, etc etc..). Although why would anyone care about what's going on on other people's PT, is beyond me.
Other than that, hey, I'm all for modding. Not that I don't appreciate the work BW's writers/artists/whoever's work, the world they create is fascinating (esp Citadel. Man I have a blast!) But no matter how hard you try, there is just no way in pleasing everyone and that's when modders can step in. To be fair, if mods aren't allowed then fanfictions / fanart that doesn't stick to the canon story should be banned too. Because that is what modding is all about: a playable piece of fan fiction. But whatever, I'm sure many has already made their mind up whether you support, feel neutral to or against tweaking a game, and each are entitled to hold their own opinion. I just wished that everybody plays nice.

As in a moded Thane, I personally won't change anything about Thane (by mod or not), granted he's not my LI (though certainly one of my best bud) but here's an idea for the OP: If he's your LI, let Kirrahe take the fall, by pass the hospital death scene and erase his name in the memorial wall (or replace 'Thane Krios' with some other random name whoeveritisuptoyou), get e-mails from the dude (adding new e-mails in game is already possible now. Just check the Fan Creation forum. Lotsa awsome stuff going on there) and have him show up at the end.
Big bold request: If this mod somehow became an active project, please keep it separate from the original MEHEM. Make it a separate mod, since we're talking about major game-changing experience here...

[chemiclord]

Ya know, you folks are right.

I shouldn't be getting riled up over this. Because deep down, I understand you're unhappy, and that it hurts... even if logically the "you fell in love with a terminally ill guy, what did you expect?" argument makes a (dismissive) sense, it hurts, and it sucks, and it feels like a slap in the face.

I dunno. I see it completely differently. Because I know the sort of work that writers put into a project, and I also know that no one said, "Let ****** off everyone who likes Thane's character. Because we're mean and spiteful and ****."

Perhaps, okay not perhaps, I KNOW I've escalated things, and I shouldn't have. But I don't believe modding something you don't like into something you do is a constructive response.

Let me tell a little story: Back when I was in middle school and into high school (please don't ask me how long ago this was, please don't), I started reading the Chronicles of Narnia. And frankly, I DESPISED how C.S. Lewis ended it. I found it to be a bitter, sexist, bigoted rant from a crusty old man. But as much as I hated it, I respected the fact that it was his story to tell.

I found myself asking myself what I would have done differently. What was it about the message I didn't like, and it became my challenge to tell that story in the way I liked. I made it my own. That story is set to published and distributed this summer. What I didn't like was just as much of an inspiration as what I did.

I believe there is good fanfiction, and there is bad fanfiction, and I don't mean by the quality. There's fan stories that build the framework of the universe, add to it in fun and unique ways. Then there's fan stories that feel like a giant middle finger to the creator, actively altering that framework. I don't like the latter; never have, and never will. But I guess that's just me.

I suppose I should leave you be. We're clearly at an impasse, but I will apologize for the hostility. I should be better than that.

[Xilizhra]

Perhaps, okay not perhaps, I KNOW I've escalated things, and I shouldn't have. But I don't believe modding something you don't like into something you do is a constructive response.

I think the difference here is that modding the story is fantastically unlikely to actually change the story. The story is what it is, and for the vast majority of the playerbase, nothing will change it. All this is is improving it for those who feel they need it, keeping it within their own universes.

[sisterpatrick]

d1ta wrote...

Meant no disrespect to the OP, but I think you should start this kinda discussion on the Fan Creation section. Otherwise, it might instigate flame war (mods vs anti-mods, Thaneshouldlive vs Thaneshoulddie, etc etc..). Although why would anyone care about what's going on on other people's PT, is beyond me.
Other than that, hey, I'm all for modding. Not that I don't appreciate the work BW's writers/artists/whoever's work, the world they create is fascinating (esp Citadel. Man I have a blast!) But no matter how hard you try, there is just no way in pleasing everyone and that's when modders can step in. To be fair, if mods aren't allowed then fanfictions / fanart that doesn't stick to the canon story should be banned too. Because that is what modding is all about: a playable piece of fan fiction. But whatever, I'm sure many has already made their mind up whether you support, feel neutral to or against tweaking a game, and each are entitled to hold their own opinion. I just wished that everybody plays nice.

As in a moded Thane, I personally won't change anything about Thane (by mod or not), granted he's not my LI (though certainly one of my best bud) but here's an idea for the OP: If he's your LI, let Kirrahe take the fall, by pass the hospital death scene and erase his name in the memorial wall (or replace 'Thane Krios' with some other random name whoeveritisuptoyou), get e-mails from the dude (adding new e-mails in game is already possible now. Just check the Fan Creation forum. Lotsa awsome stuff going on there) and have him show up at the end.
Big bold request: If this mod somehow became an active project, please keep it separate from the original MEHEM. Make it a separate mod, since we're talking about major game-changing experience here...

This is all excellently put. 

[Vlk3]

Wow. Not only some trolls keep telling us that our choices shouldn't matter and that we should be greateful that our LI or just favourite character is killed in the middle of the game without any option to alter his fate, but now also they're attacking people who want a MOD that would alter these events. You know what? You're pathetic. You're trying to deny people equal treatment, you won, as did BioWare, because we got shafted once again in the latest DLC, but you want to go further and deny us the right to create a mod, that would help us enjoy the game again? What's wrong with you, people? No one's forcing anyone to download any MOD! If anything can be done, it's your own choice, whether you download it and treat as canon or ignore it and go with content BioWare gave you.

The MOD wouldn't fix almost non-existing romance in ME3, but it could be something that hopefully would allow me to finish this game and move on. I fully support this.

[LoonySpectre]

The "happy ending mod" should begin right after Palaven, with Liara showing Shepard Thane's letters from the Citadel DLC. Otherwise, there are too many plotholes.

Plothole 1: if the Citadel DLC letters don't exist in the "happy mod". Shepard and Thane just don't act like two lovers or even ex-lovers, rather like battle comrades who had casual sex a couple of times. So this would require extensive rewriting (and voice acting) of existing dialogues, not just some random "Thane suddenly remembers he loves Shepard, fakes his death and sends love letters from a remote hospital" event after the Kai Leng debacle.
Plothole 2: if the Citadel DLC letters do exist in the "happy mod". Liara not showing Shepard the letters from Thane means two things: she's either a jerk of epic proportions who withheld very important information from Shepard or so inept as the Shadow Broker that she failed to intercept any letters from Thane (which can't be true because she was able, for instance, to intercept Jacob's letter to Brynn and eavesdrop a conversation between Grunt and some random krogan). So the only way to fix this plothole is to have Liara show Shepard the letters very early in the game, and some more extensive modifications with altered dialogues, cutscenes and perhaps even new quests to keep Thane alive since he's already at terminal stage of his illness, and drastic measures are needed.

That's what was probably meant by "repeating the game verbatim except for small parts someone doesn't like". Having the game play out completely "as is" and just having Thane change his mind at the very last second cannot work.
Perhaps the easiest way to create a "MEHEM Thane" mod with minimal rewriting of scripts and dialogues is like that:
- Have Liara show Thane's letters to Shepard very early in the game.
- Remove Thane from the Citadel altogether. Change his first email to something like "I'm taking experimental treatment at a remote world, sponsored by an unknown benefactor."
- Have Thane send more emails throughout the game about his treatment.
- Have Thane come to the Normandy before the attack at Cronos Station to say his goodbyes and spend some quality time with Shepard.

Modifié par LoonySpectre, 13 mars 2013 - 11:55 .

[Legbiter]

Thane still dead?

[Epsilon330]

I just want a mod that adds Nyreen to the Memorial Wall.
Something as a little reminder. Given that ParaShep and her appear to be good friends by the time of her sacrifice, it would be a bit poignant.

[Cecilia L]

Epsilon330 wrote...

I just want a mod that adds Nyreen to the Memorial Wall.
Something as a little reminder. Given that ParaShep and her appear to be good friends by the time of her sacrifice, it would be a bit poignant.

 Nyreen

[Legbiter]

Gangnam Style wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

Thane still dead?

stone cold

Just checking.

[Andromedamnit]

I can’t believe people are panicking about a relatively small aspect of the story being modified. No two playthroughs will ever create an identical story, that’s the nature of this type of game surely? For me Shepard is a woman with one key romance that happened to be Thane (sucks for me). I have tried to play again as male Shep and/or romance different characters but it just doesn’t feel right.
A mod where Thane is cured and survives may be tricky to fit in with ME3 canon but it is not out of keeping with the ME2 plotline. There is a strong emphasis BEFORE Thane falls for Shepard that he is refusing the possibility of legitimate treatment because he feels he has nothing to live for. After being romanced and finding Kolyat, his state of mind changes. They forgot this change in romanced Thane in ME3 and even altered the nature of his illness to make it incurable. This mod would actually just be putting Thane back on the course set up for him in ME2. So ner!

[Renmiri1]

Feh, those people panicking never ONCE cared or showed concern for Thanemancers. I'll return the favor and ignore them.

I am still being nicer than 99% of them that come to Thane threads to c*** all over us Thanemancers.

Buzz off, you never once cared about us, now run along and go play your favorite game and let me try to make mine playable.

[Sable Rhapsody]

chemiclord wrote...
I believe there is good fanfiction, and there is bad fanfiction, and I don't mean by the quality. There's fan stories that build the framework of the universe, add to it in fun and unique ways. Then there's fan stories that feel like a giant middle finger to the creator, actively altering that framework. I don't like the latter; never have, and never will. But I guess that's just me.

Fair enough.  IMO the treatment of Thane in ME3 was the result of negligence rather than maliciousness, so modding is a relatively easy way to address that negligence.  The same goes for the original endings.

Anyway, back on topic.  This mod should definitely be kept separate from MEHEM, even just as a point of practicality as it aims to change elements of the game beyond the ending.  

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

Hate to bump this, but if there does come to be a Thane MEHEM, and I think that there should be and that Mr. Fob considers it, I would be happy to assist with the writing portion, if there are email mods that are included.