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[Original Twigman]

So, the balance changes are here. Some good, some bad, so ugly. But this isn't about what we like (buffs) and what we don't like (9 URs in two weeks?)

This is to ask the question, how much do BSNers impact ideas for balance changes.

Ex. 1: The Collector Ascension Mode

Chris Priestly, himself (I believe), stated that they had no plans to change Ascension mode (toggle). However, I made a thread requesting some duration changes, while others made some damage taken changes:
Thread

Ex. 2: The AIU

Those who hop on BSN already know the examples... don't need to point them out

Ex. 3: Buff the Spitfire
Ashen Earth Thread
Tyhw Thread
Very Seed Thread (video)

Ex. 4: The riots on the Talon powers

Again.. no examples needed



Doesn't it seem like BSNers are having a rather large impact on these balance changes. Doesn't it seem like the most vocal, ever-present, albeit extremely annoying, posters seem to have quite a large impact on the direction of the game?

What does this mean for ME3 or ME4?

[Haloburner]

The squeaky wheel gets the oil.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

They play a major role. Fagnan has no idea what he's doing; therefore, he looks to BSN to tell him what to do.

[upinya slayin]

All nerfs are my fault. now flame me

[Daxamite]

i'd say a fair amount.

On the other hand, there have been times when people on here whined a lot about stuff on platinum, and the devs said they won't listen because the majority of total ME3 MP players are still on bronze/silver.

[Apl_Juice]

In the buffs, I'd say we play a big role. Back when Tactical Cloak was at its vanila state, BioWare took GodlessPaladin's suggestion pretty much word for word (nerf TC, buff all sniper rifles)

In the nerfs, however (especially the random ones) we don't.

Modifié par Apl_J, 12 mars 2013 - 08:30 .

[ABjerre]

Some people like to belive that they play a much bigger role than they actually do. In fact, anyone that thinks that they have some kind of role in influencing the balance changes probably are mistaken.

[MajorStupidity]

I used to believe that we didn't,but I was surprised at how quickly they changed the kits and weapons in the DLC.

Well support is weening from this game so we will see how long the balance changes go on for...

[Haloburner]

upinya slayin wrote...

All nerfs are my fault. now flame me

Don't take credit for Protoman's work!

[Original Twigman]

I hate the formatting on this site.

I'll put in links, then when i actually see the post, the links aren't there... or you use color to highlight certain things, and the color disappears, but the "code" is still there.

Or the ever frustrating useless bullet points that either don't go where you want them to, or never leave

[Stabby McGoodstab]

Haloburner wrote...

The squeaky wheel gets the oil.

Didn't seem to apply to Tactical Cloak back when those 80+ page threads were popular.

[fulcrum290]

BSN whines. Since no other people from outside give feedback.
The majority in PUG land don't give a crap.

If Dev ask for feedback, there's only BSN

the BSN zealot care wayyyyyy to much about it and want it their way

[TheKillerAngel]

The BSN definitely encouraged the AIU melee nerf. I could not have seen that happening from gameplay alone.

[Original Twigman]

ABjerre wrote...

Some people like to belive that they play a much bigger role than they actually do. In fact, anyone that thinks that they have some kind of role in influencing the balance changes probably are mistaken.

considering that many of the input that players had on the new dlc clearly reflect in the balance changes, it'd be hard not to make a connection, especially with the collector, as Chris Priestly himself said they were not looking to discuss ascencion mode, but obviously made changes

[Cole Jones]

None at all. Now everyone quit spamming nerf and buff threads

[dumael]

To a degree yes. They seem to take on suggestions that have good analysis with them. (GodlessPaladin's changes, force buff on havok strike, weight reduction on falcon).

[Kaall]

upinya slayin wrote...

All nerfs are my fault. now flame me

I'll take my Geth soldier for that, he is good at flaming.

[Original Twigman]

I am even curios if the Devs have people in there ear from BSN (as they do play with BSNers) that subtely encourage them to look at very biased views on specific classes and/or guns.

I mean... i don't remember a single AIU video proving its OPness...

Meanwhile, we had some pretty hilarious spitfire/punisher videos with clear examples of power

[megabeast37215]

I think BSN has some influence... but the usage stats are the meat & potatos of their balance motivation.

Fagnan needs BSN... since he's pretty bad at the game... hard for him to figure out what's OP.

[P51Mus7ang]

IMHO, we represent a small percentage of the player base however I think members knowledge of the game is light years ahead, at least from what I see in pugs. Considering this is would stand to reason BioWare probably looks at the forum as a head up for investigation when we notice something is off.

[Cole Jones]

Kaall wrote...

upinya slayin wrote...

All nerfs are my fault. now flame me

I'll take my Geth soldier for that, he is good at flaming.

I feel bad for saying this but your sig is funny as hell

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Original Stikman wrote...

Doesn't it seem like BSNers are having a rather large impact on these balance changes. Doesn't it seem like the most vocal, ever-present, albeit extremely annoying, posters seem to have quite a large impact on the direction of the game?

What does this mean for ME3 or ME4?

I struggle with this. I think the dialogue with the consumers is a huge part of what has made ME 3 MP better.

That having been said, it is a highly problematic model, and has it downsides (which I think rear their head more in an SP environment, personally.)

When it comes to balance changes, I think it is a combination of several things.

a) feedback data only the team has access to, which represents trends that will reflect how powers/weapons interact with each other and the bots.

Suggestions from the community, that call attention to issues that are not obvious from the data.

c) The Passions of the player base do, I believe, play  role. And you have certainly provided circumstantial evidence that they impact the decisions. I would even be inclined to say I think it makes sense to make them part of the decision, albeit a low-priority role.

d) Priority will likely be given to changes reflective of all three first examples.

I suspect that in the case of the AIU, all three factors played a role.

In the case of the Collector Adept and Talon, I suspect the second and third examples led to an examination of the data, which ultimately supported the changes.

And I'm sure there are other factors. I don't imagine BSN plays a bigger role than the feedback data, itself, but I'm certain they do, indeed play a role.

[RedJohn]

I didn't have anything in that AIU nerf

[Chala]

upinya slayin wrote...

All nerfs are my fault. now flame me

[Manbearpig]

megabeast37215 wrote...

I think BSN has some influence... but the usage stats are the meat & potatos of their balance motivation.

Fagnan needs BSN... since he's pretty bad at the game... hard for him to figure out what's OP.

lol they were all noobs except brojo in that live stream.