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Why Muliplayer will die without the Ultra Rare Pack


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Bryan Johnson wrote...

032OffensiveBias wrote...

I'd still rather pay 1m for a guaranteed UR than extend a 2 month, 8million credit no-ur dry streak of PSPs, APs, and RPs.



Is this something you have experienced or are you going based on what you have heard?


Open letter to BIOWARE

Help me to understand, what it is that BIOWARE trying to acheive with this game?  Is it longevity?  Is it increasing the user-base (there by increasing the purchase of future titiles)?  Is it capitalizing monetarily off the micortransactions?  Is it making lil' childeren everywhere happy?

Perhaps it's all of the above?

I'd say more than anything else, a lack of understanding on the part of the user community of BIOWARE's goals for this game have led to some unfortunatel misunderstandings of some of the design qualities/issues/descisions.

Want to be the most popular developer in the world (beautiful women will fawn over you, and men everywhere will buy you drinks and celebrate your names)?

Consider a compromise....

Create a "LOYAL SERVICE PACK", which would instantly award a pack containing 4 URs to anyone who has reached 300 hours and 1000 matches completed.  If nothing else this gives new players a goal with a gauranteed reward to work toward, and veteran players a reward for loyalty and new equipment to play with.

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thenotsothinman

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557 hours played
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Every common, uncommon, and rare Character, Weapon, Weapon Mod, Capacity upgrade, and Gear Maxed.

Sill have 141 of 210 ultra-rare black cards to go. No Lancer, Spitfire, or Punisher.

I would say I averaged 3 million credits a week since the last DLC release and spent 3 million the day of release. 600,000 after a night of Gold matches. I spend most of my credits on PSP's, until recently when I started getting low on shotgun and assault rifle rail amp and started buying SP's.

I can't really comment on the topic of the thread because its already lasted 200 or 300 more hours than any other mutiplayer game ever has for me personally. I can say that I would never spend 1 million credits on a pack with one random ultra-rare, or even half that. 1 million credits for an upgrade to a gun I rarely use most likely, and not replacing any of the equipment I used getting it. That just makes since for those people who are very close to maxing there ultra-rares in my opinion.

I just want the ultra-rare weapons i don't have. It took me more than and month to get the Harrier than it did my friends that I play twice as much as. I just fear that the Lancer will be even harder to get with so many ultra-rares in the pool now.

I would like to see and rise in the drop rate. Overall rise would be nice but at least priorities ultra -rares you haven't unlocked level one of yet. Also, a drop rate increase when you have nothing but black card left to get.

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Well, here goes my two cents
I managed to save 26 million credits since I maxed my manifest in September until Retaliation was released.Spent 10 million to max everything including the only new UR, the Collector SMG, and saved another aditional 66 million credsto have 76kk whern reckoning was released.4 more URs.25 million credits.Still had 50kk left.Yesterday I spent 7 million creds to max all the promotional and still have 46 million.So what's the secret?

First of all, play lots of gold and plat matches and only buy JEPS for your gear.I did it for many months.No PSPs, no SP, justs JEPS to have enough cobras/medgels:

Let's do the math:Plat match 150k , JEP pack 33k, so after every single match I had 118.ooo creds and full gear.Easy as pie.10 matches, one million saved

Of curse i was dying to get more URS in the middle of the process but trust me, its not worth it.Be patient, enjoy the ride and dont get obsessed with URs, cause many of them are really good even at lvl one and in the meantime there are rare weapons like Claymore,Acolyte,Widow, Carniflex or Piranha that are awesome and really fun to use

Play for fun, not to unlock URs

Modifié par mgc1971, 13 mars 2013 - 04:43 .


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Bryan Johnson wrote...

032OffensiveBias wrote...

I'd still rather pay 1m for a guaranteed UR than extend a 2 month, 8million credit no-ur dry streak of PSPs, APs, and RPs.



Is this something you have experienced or are you going based on what you have heard?


I think I can speak for most people here when I say yes, this is something I have come close to experiencing MULTIPLE times in my 500 hours of play time. This pack is more than needed at this point, it's almost a requirement. 

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I got dropped post wave 6 of 2 consecutive platinum matches last night. So, do i really need a UR pack, i can't even get 1 credit for hours of platinum.

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Gezar149 wrote...
http://social.biowar...n&platform=xbox
I am neither young or new and as my "Emotional development" you just have to take my  word that I am reasonably mature individual..


I never said that you were, i was explaining why different games directed at different segments work in different ways.

And on a side note, you aren't missing much in not having that PPR. Instead mourning that percieved loss, be thankfull that you've only gotten 3 CSMGs and that you've been blessed with the best assault rifle, pistol, shotgun and sniper rifle(s) and smg fully or highly evolved.

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alan 10 wrote...

Apx 30-35 minutes for gold.

But I was figuring for new players who have to climb up like I did too.

You take too long brother. Try and achieve an average of 20-25 minutes.

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ABjerre wrote...

Gezar149 wrote...
http://social.biowar...n&platform=xbox
I am neither young or new and as my "Emotional development" you just have to take my  word that I am reasonably mature individual..


I never said that you were, i was explaining why different games directed at different segments work in different ways.

And on a side note, you aren't missing much in not having that PPR. Instead mourning that percieved loss, be thankfull that you've only gotten 3 CSMGs and that you've been blessed with the best assault rifle, pistol, shotgun and sniper rifle(s) and smg fully or highly evolved.

Point taken my good man.  My view is that the game winding down.  I am getting tired of buying expensive ammo and would like a bit of a guarantee on my hard earned pugging.

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comeatmeguy wrote...

alan 10 wrote...

Apx 30-35 minutes for gold.

But I was figuring for new players who have to climb up like I did too.

You take too long brother. Try and achieve an average of 20-25 minutes.


It doesn't matter how long it takes, it matters the bang you get for you money when you have it. 

The argument Bryan uses in invalid. Who cares about limiting the rare selection if an UR pack was released, it's all about what people choose to spend the money on that they earned and get something tangible for it, at least that is how it should be.

A year out, this shouldn't even be an issue. We all know the outline for the pack has been in existence for MONTHS and they just don't implement it into the game for whatever reason. It's extremely frustrating.

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Putting another pack in the store would make it explode.. Or have you not noticed how long it takes to purchase a pack right now?

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Just to be clear , it took me 1700 hours and more than 5080 games to finally max everything , promos included.And as I told ya before, the thrill was never gone because I enjoyed every single match:I dont get this "The game has come to an end" paranoia, URs have always been really difficult to get, let's accept it and move on

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Here are the answers.

A) Release a UR pack. Don't really care what the price is, but based on time estimates with percentages given, 250-500k is reasonable.

B) Up the drop rate of UR's out of current packs by a quite a bit in general and to help the people who have nothing else to unlock.

C) Reduce the price of current packs significantly.

If A doesn't happen, a combination of both B and C would be the best route to take.

Option D of doing nothing is to most of us, not an option at all.

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The-Fantasm wrote...

Putting another pack in the store would make it explode.. Or have you not noticed how long it takes to purchase a pack right now?

It all makes sense now.  Its like the ending of the prestige.

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 i still don't have certain weapons unlocked and i multiplayer like every day, at least 4 hours. gold matches mostly now, unless running low on certain consumables. Still.. I would appreciate a UR Paxk, with a at least higher chance of ultra rare weapons. 40% at least, for the first 1 and 20% chance for a second.

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032OffensiveBias wrote...

skill is not the only factor in this game. I have enough skill for gold but my weapons, mods, and gears are not ready for gold.

As to the first part, you're absolutely right.  Someone with low level weapons will never be able to do as well as a similarly skilled player with Level X Ultra Rares.

But as to the 2nd part - there are several classes that rely very little on weapons, mods, and gears.  Human Adept, Asari Adept, Paladin, Shadow, Human Engineer, Human Vanguard, Fury, and Slayer are just some examples.  Most of those characters can do almost as well with low level Rare weapons as they would with a Level X Ultra Rare. 

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Zkyire wrote...

Gornok wrote...

your manifest says that you shouldn't say a thing... your manifest says that you should play more in order to get more, your manifest needs more love than the complaining in this thread. 


Your attitude leaves much to be desired.

Your manifest should care about your gaming aptitude rather than having your feelings spared or me caring about displaying an attitude which makes you feel better

Next time i crap out daisies and use flower power words to make these dimwits feel better i will let you know...

Until then get your creds up and play harder... after dealing with a multitude of these type of threads on this board for a year... this weak crap must cease.

But i am glad that the board members here don't even represent a large fraction of actual players

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We either need a pack.or an increased drop rate. Me thinks a pack, because increased drop rate will mean newer players will get URs and not use any if the rares and skip the whole progression system that makes this game different than other shooters

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I'm with Bryan on this one.

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Gornok wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

Gornok wrote...

your manifest says that you shouldn't say a thing... your manifest says that you should play more in order to get more, your manifest needs more love than the complaining in this thread. 


Your attitude leaves much to be desired.

Your manifest should care about your gaming aptitude rather than having your feelings spared or me caring about displaying an attitude which makes you feel better

Next time i crap out daisies and use flower power words to make these dimwits feel better i will let you know...

Until then get your creds up and play harder... after dealing with a multitude of these type of threads on this board for a year... this weak crap must cease.

But i am glad that the board members here don't even represent a large fraction of actual players


You keep talking about manifests as if they're sentient beings.

You talk in a hostile and insulting manner.

You've encouraged people to slit their own wrists.

And you ignore the fact that people have Jobs/University and can't play more. Not everyone has enough free time as you as to spend almost two thousand hours playing a game.

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Bickering ends now. @Gornok gets a nap... the rest of you need to discuss the game and not the vices or virtues of other users.

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Have wanted the Paladin since day one, still don't have it.
100% Want a pack with an actual chance for URs.

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I've also noticed the chance for a UR in SPECTRE packs in non existant, yay Disruptor Rounds 4.

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thenotsothinman wrote...

557 hours played
1595 matches

Every common, uncommon, and rare Character, Weapon, Weapon Mod, Capacity upgrade, and Gear Maxed.

Sill have 141 of 210 ultra-rare black cards to go. No Lancer, Spitfire, or Punisher.

I would say I averaged 3 million credits a week since the last DLC release and spent 3 million the day of release. 600,000 after a night of Gold matches. I spend most of my credits on PSP's, until recently when I started getting low on shotgun and assault rifle rail amp and started buying SP's.

I can't really comment on the topic of the thread because its already lasted 200 or 300 more hours than any other mutiplayer game ever has for me personally. I can say that I would never spend 1 million credits on a pack with one random ultra-rare, or even half that. 1 million credits for an upgrade to a gun I rarely use most likely, and not replacing any of the equipment I used getting it. That just makes since for those people who are very close to maxing there ultra-rares in my opinion.

I just want the ultra-rare weapons i don't have. It took me more than and month to get the Harrier than it did my friends that I play twice as much as. I just fear that the Lancer will be even harder to get with so many ultra-rares in the pool now.


This, similar story here. I enjoy playing the game, when I have what I want. I don't grind a game to God status, and then immediately quit. No, it's at that point, that I actually start having fun with the game. I hate being that lvl 1 guy with leather armor and a wooden stick... I suspect it'll be weeks to months before I get the Lancer... I've already spent a good 12 mil since the launch of Retaliation, yeah sure, I've gotten a couple of URs. But it was two Punishers and a host of the original guns, you know, the guns that I've had for the past 12 months? I hate the Punisher, as it's just a really inaccurate/unstable version of the Tempest. And hey, look at that! That's all the game is willing to give me! Just like when the game launched! I was a sniper, and guess what? I maxed every, single, common/uncommon/rare shotgun  in the game before recieving my first Widow, and then shortly after I recieved the Viper... I personally, really disliked shotguns. But that's all the game would give me. Oh, and guess what promo weapon reached lvl X first? Yup, that's right, the Crusader.. Ohhh RNG... I would just like to get the guns I want, so I may the play the game how I wish... Now we have a butt-ton more URs in the pool diluting my chances ofobtaining the actual weapons I want even further.

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quebra wrote...

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Create a "LOYAL SERVICE PACK", which would instantly award a pack containing 4 URs to anyone who has reached 300 hours and 1000 matches completed.  If nothing else this gives new players a goal with a gauranteed reward to work toward, and veteran players a reward for loyalty and new equipment to play with.


What happens when you open said pack and it contains 3 Valkyrie upgrades and a Spitfire?