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[FumikoM]

No way would "my" renegade Shepard hurt Brynn, she's anti-hero, not a villain. Jacob on the other hand...

Shepard would somehow let him die, and then make some excuse to Brynn. Also, romance Brynn, Heheheee...

[kalasaurus]

Whybother wrote...

GlassElephant wrote...

Most of the squadmates have daddy issues, true.  There's Miranda, Jack, Liara, Tali, Garrus, Thane, James, Grunt, Wrex, and all Shepards have a missing dad.  None of the other dads are nearly as bad as Jacob's though.  Miranda's dad may be a psycho but he isn't a rapist.

Miranda's dad experiments on and mutates hundreds if not thousands of people in ME3.  I think he is worse than Jacob's dad.

Her dad's a psycho, like I said.  Both are monstrous in different ways.  I still think ruling a rape colony is more messed up.

[MegaSovereign]

GlassElephant wrote...

Whybother wrote...

GlassElephant wrote...

Most of the squadmates have daddy issues, true.  There's Miranda, Jack, Liara, Tali, Garrus, Thane, James, Grunt, Wrex, and all Shepards have a missing dad.  None of the other dads are nearly as bad as Jacob's though.  Miranda's dad may be a psycho but he isn't a rapist.

Miranda's dad experiments on and mutates hundreds if not thousands of people in ME3.  I think he is worse than Jacob's dad.

Her dad's a psycho, like I said.  Both are monstrous in different ways.  I still think ruling a rape colony is more messed up.

"I gotta have some backpay coming"

[Xilizhra]

GlassElephant wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

GlassElephant wrote...

_Syn_ wrote...

samb wrote...

 I had Jacob killed in the suicide mission just for what he did in ME3. Best he die a hero than live as a walking sterotype. 
And don't tell me none of you haven't done this. 

That's a good idea, now that I think about it.

Stereotype after stereotype. Jacob has abandonment/father issues during his loyalty mission. He then abandons FemShep.

This doesn't make sense, I guess either Bioware couldn't resist or they didn't take time to think about the implications.

Don't forget that his father abandoned him to rule a personal harem where he took advantage of mentally handicapped women.  The amount of stereotypes... it's overwhelming.

At least at the party Jacob says he plans on proposing to Brynn.  Good.  He better stay with her.

Well, Jack doesn't have a father and Miranda's father is even worse; Jacob may have been the only option for that mission type.
I won't deny the implications are unfortunate, but given how well Anderson comes across, I don't think it's systematic within Bioware.

Most of the squadmates have daddy issues, true.  There's Miranda, Jack, Liara, Tali, Garrus, Thane, James, Grunt, Wrex, and all Shepards have a missing dad.  None of the other dads are nearly as bad as Jacob's though.  Miranda's dad may be a psycho but he isn't a rapist.

I don't think the implications were intentional either.  Like you said, there's Anderson and other strong characters who offset this unfortunate set up with Jacob.

Miranda's dad may not be a rapist as such, but he's definitely a murderer and torturer, on a scale that far outmatched anything Ronald Taylor did. Granted, this mostly showed up in ME3.

[Mr.House]

Leaving Jacob to die sure, leaving innocent civilians because your ex cheated on you with one of the is extremely cold, that's up there with letting Samara killing herself then killing her last daughter, a daughter Samara didn't want to kill and thus took her own life. Also comparing that to Zaeed is just idiotic. Zaeed is a bloodthirsty merc who has killed people for little reason.

Modifié par Mr.House, 13 mars 2013 - 04:19 .

[KBomb]

Mr.House wrote...

Leaving Jacob to die sure, leaving innocent civilians because your ex cheated on you with one of the is extremely cold, that's up there with letting Samara killing herself then killing her last daughter, a daughter Samara didn't want to kill and thus took her own life. Also comparing that to Zaeed is just idiotic. Zaeed is a bloodthirsty merc who has killed people for little reason.

I think leaving someone to die because they cheat on you is extremely... psychotic lol. I think the OP is being jocular. I hope he is being jocular.

[Urdnot Amenark]

KainD wrote...

Urdnot Amenark wrote...

Not really. If you don't rescue them, the Cerberus scientists are all killed. The same thing happens with Jack and Kahlee Sanders at Grissom station if you wait too long to do the mission.

Yes really. You don't meet Jacob until you go on the mission, and you don't find out about the fact that he cheats on you until you meet him. Meta gaming means having knowledge upfront, hence you would never be able to kill Jacob off intentionally on your first playthrough. 

Your knowledge of Jacob's presence in that mission doesn't change the fact that he dies if you don't complete it. That element isn't metagaming, and it's a non-issue considering you've been metagaming the entire time already by sculpting your Shepard's journey along the path you've chosen.

[NeonFlux117]

Jacob's a punk and a D-bag. Just like his daddy. Apple don't fall to far from the tree. The only worth romances for Fem Shep is Liara or Space Batman. Everyone else sucks. Even Kaidens BS on horizon in ME2-

"Yo, dog the love of my life and the woman I love came back. But because you joined Cerberus now you suck."

Cool story Kaysauce- now get the hell outta my face.

[Zazzerka]

Seems like another case of someone mistaking "renegade" for "kill who I want when I want cus I'm a badarse lolz."

[KBomb]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Jacob's a punk and a D-bag. Just like his daddy. Apple don't fall to far from the tree. The only worth romances for Fem Shep is Liara or Space Batman. Everyone else sucks. Even Kaidens BS on horizon in ME2-

"Yo, dog the love of my life and the woman I love came back. But because you joined Cerberus now you suck."

Cool story Kaysauce- now get the hell outta my face.

I actually had no issue with how Ashley/Kaidan acted on Horizon. She had been gone for two years and when she did wake up, she made no effort to contact the VS to let them know anything. The VS saw what kind of experiments Cerberus was capable of and they saw Shep get spaced. I felt it was natural to not have trust and to be a bit aloof about it.

Shepard didn't exactly respond to them how an ex-lover/bff would sans hug.

That being said, I never saw Jacob as a d-bag and saw nothing of his father in him. He seemed honorable and steadfast, which was why the sudden change in character was so jarring.

Modifié par KBomb, 13 mars 2013 - 04:51 .

[NeonFlux117]

KBomb wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Jacob's a punk and a D-bag. Just like his daddy. Apple don't fall to far from the tree. The only worth romances for Fem Shep is Liara or Space Batman. Everyone else sucks. Even Kaidens BS on horizon in ME2-

"Yo, dog the love of my life and the woman I love came back. But because you joined Cerberus now you suck."

Cool story Kaysauce- now get the hell outta my face.

I actually had no issue with how Ashley/Kaidan acted on Horizon. She had been gone for two years and when she did wake up, she made no effort to contact the VS to let them know anything. The VS saw what kind of experiments Cerberus was capable of and they saw Shep get spaced. I felt it was natural to not have trust and to be a bit aloof about it.

Shepard didn't exactly respond to them how an ex-lover/bff would sans hug.

That being said, I never saw Jacob as a d-bag and saw nothing of his father in him. He seemed honorable and steadfast, which was why the sudden change in character was so jarring.

Well, it was for game mechanics than actually realism. But in a real life scenario the VS acting like that would, shall we say, not go very well with a man or woman like Comander Shepard. 

The same can be said for Jacob in ME3. 

[kalasaurus]

I can understand why the VS acted as they did. I still think it's ridiculous for Kaidan to accuse FemShep of cheating if she moved on to someone else though. He can call Shep a traitor, and make it clear he wants nothing to do with her (and continue to freak out about Cerberus in ME3)... but he still thinks they're together? Wtf Kaidan.

[KBomb]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Well, it was for game mechanics than actually realism. But in a real life scenario the VS acting like that would, shall we say, not go very well with a man or woman like Comander Shepard. 

The same can be said for Jacob in ME3. 

Well, I try to keep real life out of my gaming. Be that as it may, in real life, I would imagine they would still be angry and not at all trusting. Why should they trust Shepard?

1. They, along with Shepard--saw what Cerberus did and suddenly, after thinking Shepard was dead for two years, she shows up working for them and like, "Oh hai, Kaidan! It's been a while!"

2. You made no attempt to contact them. You love them and yet, you didn't make sure they knew you were alive.

Their reaction was natural and it's good that not everyone falls over themselves at the sight of Shepard.

And if you mean "The same can be said for Jacob in ME3" --that Shepard would not have acted as calm, then I agree. If you (you as in Shepard)  mean you'd kill them or let them die, then...uh no. That's cray cray.

[NeonFlux117]

GlassElephant wrote...

I can understand why the VS acted as they did. I still think it's ridiculous for Kaidan to accuse FemShep of cheating if she moved on to someone else though. He can call Shep a traitor, and make it clear he wants nothing to do with her (and continue to freak out about Cerberus in ME3)... but he still thinks they're together? Wtf Kaidan.

nah, how the VS acted on Horzion was way outta bounds and incredibly un-profesional and disrespectual to act against a friend and fellow/former alliance marine. Let alone Best friend, brother in arms or even a lover. But again this was for game design reasons. After ME3's intro and shepard being reinstated as Commander of the Normandy the way the VS acted, especially Ashely, on Mars would have warranted corporal punishment even a courtmarshall in the real world. 

The way Ash or Kaysauce talk to shep on Mars is so desrespectful, if anything they should be appologizing for the way the acted on Horizon. But that's why Garrus and Liara are so awesome, especially Garrus, always loyal no matter what. Never questions Shep. But again this is because Garrus as seen everything shep has first hand. The same can be said about Tali. 

The VS are a joke post ME1- wish I could sacraficed both of them, especially Ash and all her BS. 

Modifié par NeonFlux117, 13 mars 2013 - 05:26 .

[KBomb]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

GlassElephant wrote...

I can understand why the VS acted as they did. I still think it's ridiculous for Kaidan to accuse FemShep of cheating if she moved on to someone else though. He can call Shep a traitor, and make it clear he wants nothing to do with her (and continue to freak out about Cerberus in ME3)... but he still thinks they're together? Wtf Kaidan.

nah, how the VS acted on Horzion was way outta bounds and incredibly un-profesional and disrespectual to act against a friend and fellow/former alliance marine. Let alone Best friend, brother in arms or even a lover. But again this was for game design reasons. After ME3's intro and shepard being reinstated as Commander of the Normandy the way the VS acted, especially Ashely, on Mars would have warranted corporal punishment even a courtmarshall in the real world. 

The way Ash or Kaysauce talk to shep on Mars is so desrespectful, if anything they should be appologizing for the way the acted on Horizon. But that's why Garrus and Liara are so awesome, especially Garrus, always loyal no matter what. Never questions Shep. But again this is because Garrus as seen everything shep has first hand. The same can be said about Tali. 

The VS are a joke post ME1- wish I could sacraficed both of them, especially Ash and all her BS. 

lol Corporal punishment? srsly?

[NeonFlux117]

KBomb wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

GlassElephant wrote...

I can understand why the VS acted as they did. I still think it's ridiculous for Kaidan to accuse FemShep of cheating if she moved on to someone else though. He can call Shep a traitor, and make it clear he wants nothing to do with her (and continue to freak out about Cerberus in ME3)... but he still thinks they're together? Wtf Kaidan.

nah, how the VS acted on Horzion was way outta bounds and incredibly un-profesional and disrespectual to act against a friend and fellow/former alliance marine. Let alone Best friend, brother in arms or even a lover. But again this was for game design reasons. After ME3's intro and shepard being reinstated as Commander of the Normandy the way the VS acted, especially Ashely, on Mars would have warranted corporal punishment even a courtmarshall in the real world. 

The way Ash or Kaysauce talk to shep on Mars is so desrespectful, if anything they should be appologizing for the way the acted on Horizon. But that's why Garrus and Liara are so awesome, especially Garrus, always loyal no matter what. Never questions Shep. But again this is because Garrus as seen everything shep has first hand. The same can be said about Tali. 

The VS are a joke post ME1- wish I could sacraficed both of them, especially Ash and all her BS. 

lol Corporal punishment? srsly?

Again, if it were real, but it's not. it's a fictional story and a video game. so the point is moot. 

[Cutlass Jack]

You can leave them to die simply by not doing the mission. Problem solved.
Otherwise, console yourself by making Dr. Archer kill himself while you're there.

[RainbowDazed]

My main Shep is pretty hardcore about being renegade but she would never physically hurt anyone for breaking up with her or for cheating on her. You can't force matters of heart with physical force. Sure, she might tell that person to get the hell out of her life, but not when it contradicts with mission objectives. That was made pretty clear with how renegade-Shep solved conflicts between crew members in Mass Effect 2 ("You can either fight at my side or get crushed under my heel! But you will NOT stand in my way!").

The mission comes first, personal issues second. So no, my renegade Shep wouldn't have left a cheating LI behind if she was in some way an asset to the war. But, if that cheating sob started stirring trouble at Normandy or started hindering the mission, she'd be dead. No hesitation.

EDIT: That'd apply to faithful LIs aswell. If Liara for instance turned out to be an indoctrinated reaper agent, I'd introduce her to the airlock. 

Modifié par RainbowDazed, 13 mars 2013 - 05:37 .

[WarGriffin]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

You can leave them to die simply by not doing the mission. Problem solved.
Otherwise, console yourself by making Dr. Archer kill himself while you're there.

I find Archer is geniunely repentive of his past., so doing that is you just being a dick. like up there with Leng's email.

[KBomb]

NeonFlux117 wrote...


Again, if it were real, but it's not. it's a fictional story and a video game. so the point is moot. 

Isn't Corporal Punishment banned in the military in a lot of places? IIRC, US and Canada being two of them.

[Cutlass Jack]

WarGriffin wrote...

I find Archer is geniunely repentive of his past., so doing that is you just being a dick. like up there with Leng's email.

Which is not at all unlike leaving Jacob and Brynn to die. Just pointing out if you were looking to be one, there is a way to do so in that very mission.

[NeonFlux117]

KBomb wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...


Again, if it were real, but it's not. it's a fictional story and a video game. so the point is moot. 

Isn't Corporal Punishment banned in the military in a lot of places? IIRC, US and Canada being two of them.

When I say corporal Punishment I don't mean it in the way your thinkg. 

I mean Shep back handing KaySauce of slappin the sh!t outta Ash. Just to get the point across that-. I'm Commander Shepard. I'm your boss. This is the military. Have respect for your commanding officer. Don't question my alliances or orders. Get over it. 

But again, it was in a fictional space and the way Shep handled it was for dramatic reasons. 

[KBomb]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

When I say corporal Punishment I don't mean it in the way your thinkg. 

I mean Shep back handing KaySauce of slappin the sh!t outta Ash. Just to get the point across that-. I'm Commander Shepard. I'm your boss. This is the military. Have respect for your commanding officer. Don't question my alliances or orders. Get over it. 

But again, it was in a fictional space and the way Shep handled it was for dramatic reasons. 

That is Corporal Punishment and it's banned, so irl it still wouldn't apply. meh, your game though, you can wish to slap anyone you want.

I do find it amusing how some one is always wanting to hit somebody in this game, mainly for disrespecting their Shep. lol

[NeonFlux117]

KBomb wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

When I say corporal Punishment I don't mean it in the way your thinkg. 

I mean Shep back handing KaySauce of slappin the sh!t outta Ash. Just to get the point across that-. I'm Commander Shepard. I'm your boss. This is the military. Have respect for your commanding officer. Don't question my alliances or orders. Get over it. 

But again, it was in a fictional space and the way Shep handled it was for dramatic reasons. 

That is Corporal Punishment and it's banned, so irl it still wouldn't apply. meh, your game though, you can wish to slap anyone you want.

I do find it amusing how some one is always wanting to hit somebody in this game, mainly for disrespecting their Shep. lol

I'd slap you if I had a chance. 















Kidding.