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[Rhayak]

My Sentinel femshep (green-eyed blondie) romanced Jacob O_O so i must be, like, the 4th person out there.

But i like to think it was more of a physical attraction thing. Jacob is after all the fittest on the ship, and Grunt won't budge.

Anyway, leaving like 50 people to die because one guy cheated on you seems far, far beneath even the most Renegade of femsheps.

[Wulfram]

Real renegades would just say "eh, Kaidan/Liara/Traynor is better in bed anyway"

[Sabariel]

Uh, no. Cheating does not warrant death. Seriously.

[Star fury]

At least renegade interrupt would be nice. I've met one of those mythical creatures called "Jacob fans" long ago.

[Steelcan]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Warlock Adam wrote...


See the fates of Mordin, Ashley/Kaidan, Legion, Wrex, Samara, Falere, EDI and the entire Geth and Krogan species respectively.

Mordin and Legion are to stop them from taking actions which could lead to the deaths of millions of innocents, Kaidan/Ashley holds a gun on you, Samara's death is her own choice, EDI is collateral to taking down the Reapers, and Wrex is trying to kill you.

Falere might be going a bit far, true, but the asari did want the monastery purged.

. Understandably so.

but I agree, renegade was less "Im going to murder every person slowly and painfully, and more Machivellian"

[Ieldra]

@OP:
Now that Citadel DLC gives me an appropriate response to Jacob, I'm tempted to revive my Jacob-romancing femShep. Now that I know what will happen and am not surprised by Jacob's treatment, it makes for an acceptable little story.

Apart from that, cheating does not warrant death. Not even from my temperamental Renegade.

[NCommand]

Jacob cheating on Shepard is perhaps one of the most brilliant things Bioware has come up with, now, if only we could throw him out the airlock

Here's a question, how's the Citadel DLC party if you invite Jacob after he cheated on you? Is it awkward? Then again I guess most people wouldn't invite the person who managed to knock up another woman within the span of 6 months while Shepard was detained.

[Steelcan]

On topic. Brynn definitely doesn't deserve to die, and leaving the, to die because of petty grudges is just retarded. It's just like leaving Zaeed behind, it's just a stupid thing to do,

[Kataphrut94]

Steelcan wrote...

On topic. Brynn definitely doesn't deserve to die, and leaving the, to die because of petty grudges is just retarded. It's just like leaving Zaeed behind, it's just a stupid thing to do,

Leaving Zaeed behind is somewhat understandable assuming you can't convince him to stand down. Here we have a man so obsessed by revenge he's willing to burn an entire factory full of innocent workers to the ground just to get what he wants. Then you stop him and he immediately turns on you, making not so veiled threats before getting crushed. You can only let him die if you've already done the suicide mission, meaning you don't need him anymore. He's a danger to you, to others and to himself and no longer worth the risk of keeping. Killing him is a perfectly viable option.

Not Jacob though. Cheating is a different kettle of fish to attempted mass murder.

[Steelcan]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

On topic. Brynn definitely doesn't deserve to die, and leaving the, to die because of petty grudges is just retarded. It's just like leaving Zaeed behind, it's just a stupid thing to do,

Leaving Zaeed behind is somewhat understandable assuming you can't convince him to stand down. Here we have a man so obsessed by revenge he's willing to burn an entire factory full of innocent workers to the ground just to get what he wants. Then you stop him and he immediately turns on you, making not so veiled threats before getting crushed. You can only let him die if you've already done the suicide mission, meaning you don't need him anymore. He's a danger to you, to others and to himself and no longer worth the risk of keeping. Killing him is a perfectly viable option.

Not Jacob though. Cheating is a different kettle of fish to attempted mass murder.

. Yeah let's let the leader of a notorious merc band to free.  You can see the result of Vido's leadership all around in ME2 from the refinery to messages signed by him ordering executions and piracy.  Killing him is a favor to the galaxy.  Saving the workers might make you feel nice, but its an idiotic thing to do.

[Urdnot Amenark]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Urdnot Amenark wrote...

KainD wrote...

Whybother wrote...

Also, just don't do the mission.  Jacob and Brynn die. 

That would be meta gaming though. 

Not really. If you don't rescue them, the Cerberus scientists are all killed. The same thing happens with Jack and Kahlee Sanders at Grissom station if you wait too long to do the mission.

I really wished there was a way I could've slapped some sense back into Jacob though when you first meet him. That lady knew he was dating my Femshep and went after him anyway! 

Incorrect. Jack doesn't die, Cerberus turns her into a Phantom.

A Phantom which is then killed by Shepard.

Oh, so they pull a Morinth on her. That sucks.

[ThatDancingTurian]

That's harsh, OP.

I can't imagine anyone getting invested enough in Jacob to feel that much hatred for him, to be honest. His whole romance scene in ME2 was a bad booty call. His friendship path was pretty shallow too.

[Cutlass Jack]

Sabariel wrote...

Uh, no. Cheating does not warrant death. Seriously.

"But we were on a break!"

[HolyAvenger]

tbf, looking RenegadeShep sideways can warrant death.

[DeinonSlayer]

*Reads OP*

Um... wow. Leave a hundred people to die because one of them pissed you off.

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Kataphrut94 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

On topic. Brynn definitely doesn't deserve to die, and leaving the, to die because of petty grudges is just retarded. It's just like leaving Zaeed behind, it's just a stupid thing to do,

Leaving Zaeed behind is somewhat understandable assuming you can't convince him to stand down. Here we have a man so obsessed by revenge he's willing to burn an entire factory full of innocent workers to the ground just to get what he wants. Then you stop him and he immediately turns on you, making not so veiled threats before getting crushed. You can only let him die if you've already done the suicide mission, meaning you don't need him anymore. He's a danger to you, to others and to himself and no longer worth the risk of keeping. Killing him is a perfectly viable option.

Not Jacob though. Cheating is a different kettle of fish to attempted mass murder.

. Yeah let's let the leader of a notorious merc band to free.  You can see the result of Vido's leadership all around in ME2 from the refinery to messages signed by him ordering executions and piracy.  Killing him is a favor to the galaxy.  Saving the workers might make you feel nice, but its an idiotic thing to do.

Not really the results of Vido's leadership per se, as they all appear still even if you kill Vido and do those missions later. So whomever takes over is no better.
Also, Vido gets taken by the Reapers if he lives.

[TK514]

Urdnot Amenark wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Incorrect. Jack doesn't die, Cerberus turns her into a Phantom.

A Phantom which is then killed by Shepard.

Oh, so they pull a Morinth on her. That sucks.

I disagree that it's like Morinth, or that it sucks.  Jack being turned into a Phantom is a direct result of the player's inaction.   It is well within your power to save her, so having her show up later as an indoctrinated Phantom if you don't is a decent 'choices matter' moment in the franchise.  It's not perfect, because there's no indication that Jack is at the Academy until you get there, so you don't know her becoming a Phantom is your fault unless you metagame, but it's still pretty good.  It would have been better if you had known in advance that you were potentially leaving Jack to Cerberus' tender mercies, but that would have spoiled the 'Wow, Jack's here and is a teacher?!' moment.

Unlike Morinth, who never shows up in the game anywhere but as an email and then suddenly 'Hi, Banshee Morinth, have a Cain to the face'.  There is no corresponding 'Save Morinth' mission, which is part of what makes her appearance so badly done.

Back on topic, I don't think Brynn and Jacob needed to die, but he needed a knee in the groin during every conversation after the reveal.  Especially during the hospital meeting, when he tries to convince Shep that he didn't do anything wrong because she was in love with the Normandy and all, yo.

[Legbiter]

Isn't that being a nasty, passive-agressive, grade A b*tch? Even for a scorned femShep?

[cerberus1701]

Since I now know the future, he will always be my one casualty in the Suicide Mission.

[DeinonSlayer]

Xilizhra wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

Kataphrut94 wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

On topic. Brynn definitely doesn't deserve to die, and leaving the, to die because of petty grudges is just retarded. It's just like leaving Zaeed behind, it's just a stupid thing to do,

Leaving Zaeed behind is somewhat understandable assuming you can't convince him to stand down. Here we have a man so obsessed by revenge he's willing to burn an entire factory full of innocent workers to the ground just to get what he wants. Then you stop him and he immediately turns on you, making not so veiled threats before getting crushed. You can only let him die if you've already done the suicide mission, meaning you don't need him anymore. He's a danger to you, to others and to himself and no longer worth the risk of keeping. Killing him is a perfectly viable option.

Not Jacob though. Cheating is a different kettle of fish to attempted mass murder.

. Yeah let's let the leader of a notorious merc band to free.  You can see the result of Vido's leadership all around in ME2 from the refinery to messages signed by him ordering executions and piracy.  Killing him is a favor to the galaxy.  Saving the workers might make you feel nice, but its an idiotic thing to do.

Not really the results of Vido's leadership per se, as they all appear still even if you kill Vido and do those missions later. So whomever takes over is no better.
Also, Vido gets taken by the Reapers if he lives.

The orders are still all signed by him.

Really, the smart thing would be to save the workers and call in the Normandy to shoot down Vido's gunship, but as you noted, paragon is fortuitously shielded from any negative repercussions.

[Xilizhra]

The orders are still all signed by him.

Really, the smart thing would be to save the workers and call in the Normandy to shoot down Vido's gunship, but as you noted, paragon is fortuitously shielded from any negative repercussions.

Well, it's not like killing the evil leader of an evil, decentralized mercenary group (especially since he wasn't even the public leader, that was the batarian guy) is going to change the nature of the group's operations at all.

[Steelcan]

Xilizhra wrote...
Not really the results of Vido's leadership per se, as they all appear still even if you kill Vido and do those missions later. So whomever takes over is no better.
Also, Vido gets taken by the Reapers if he lives.

. Those orders are still his.  And we know who takes over.  Darner Vosque, and from what we see of him he's too busy trying to screw Aria to do anything.

And Vido being taken by the Reapers is irrelevant.  If anything it's a mockery.  'See picking paragon every time works out in the end'

Modifié par Steelcan, 13 mars 2013 - 09:38 .

[DeinonSlayer]

Xilizhra wrote...

The orders are still all signed by him.

Really, the smart thing would be to save the workers and call in the Normandy to shoot down Vido's gunship, but as you noted, paragon is fortuitously shielded from any negative repercussions.

Well, it's not like killing the evil leader of an evil, decentralized mercenary group (especially since he wasn't even the public leader, that was the batarian guy) is going to change the nature of the group's operations at all.

True, another weed will take his place, but that's no reason not to uproot this one.

[Xilizhra]

Steelcan wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...
Not really the results of Vido's leadership per se, as they all appear still even if you kill Vido and do those missions later. So whomever takes over is no better.
Also, Vido gets taken by the Reapers if he lives.

. Those orders are still his.  And we know who takes over.  Darner Vosque, and from what we see of him he's too busy trying to screw Aria to do anything.

And Vido being taken by the Reapers is irrelevant.  If anything it's a mockery.  'See picking paragon every time works out in the end'

Actually, Solem something, the batarian who already publicly led the Blue Suns to begin with, takes over. Vosque's ascension seems to have happened later.

True, another weed will take his place, but that's no reason not to uproot this one.

If it's between that or nothing, maybe not, but when the alternative is leaving several people to die...

Modifié par Xilizhra, 13 mars 2013 - 09:40 .