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[Funkdrspot]

KBomb wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

Wasn't Shep locked up for 6-9 months between ME2 and ME3? When did they say they were dating exclusively? 
You guys act like you've never been in a relationship before. Just because you have sex doesn't mean you're dating exclusively and if you're locked down for 6-9 months without calling/writing then what else do you expect?

That argument is a little silly and can be applied to every single romance in the game. I would have loved to see the results of Tali, Liara or Garrus cheating on Shep and then saying the relationship wasn't exclusive anyway. **** would have got real. It also wasn't just the cheating, it was poor writing and assassination of a character--well liked or not.

As I said, no one would have been saying "You act like no one has ever been in a relationship before!" if one of the beloveds had stepped out. That being said.... it's beyond bizarre that someone wishes the death of another because of infidelity and I am hoping this thread was made in cheeky jest.

But then that's EXACTLY  what you can do. Shepard can romance a ton of people in ME2, none of which are the original options in ME1 (at least man-shep). In fact, picking Jacob in ME2 means you gave up on your ME1 option.

Ive been in more than enough relationships to know that nothing is final until you talk to the other party about it. I've had plenty of people whom I've dated, only to see them dating others at the same time. In the real world, you don't ever assume exclusivity until you talk it out with them and one side makes it known.

I  don't EVER remember that option. In fact, up until ME3, most of the sex/romance seems to be blowing off steam before a suicide mission.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Why leave Brynn to die? What did she ever do to you?

Jacob may have been a jackass to all the FemSheps who romanced him, but I don't think he deserves death for it.

He definitely downgraded in comparison to FemShep, that's for sure.

[Ykulnu]

Funkdrspot wrote...
Some of you guys have "Psychotic Ex"  written all over your posts. 

THIS. Remind me to never let you all near a pet rabbit if I ever got one.

Leaving someone to die becuase they cheated on you? Jesus.

Modifié par Ykulnu, 14 mars 2013 - 01:48 .

[KBomb]

Funkdrspot wrote...

But then that's EXACTLY  what you can do. Shepard can romance a ton of people in ME2, none of which are the original options in ME1 (at least man-shep). In fact, picking Jacob in ME2 means you gave up on your ME1 option.

Ive been in more than enough relationships to know that nothing is final until you talk to the other party about it. I've had plenty of people whom I've dated, only to see them dating others at the same time. In the real world, you don't ever assume exclusivity until you talk it out with them and one side makes it known.

I  don't EVER remember that option. In fact, up until ME3, most of the sex/romance seems to be blowing off steam before a suicide mission.

Oh, ffs. Here we go. Let's compare virtual relationships to those we have in real life because how we romance someone in a video game is so mirrored to real life.

To address the first thing: Picking Jacob doesn't equate to blowing off your ME1 option, since they blow you off way before you can hook up with Jacob. And your example is a contradiction to your argument. How can you blow off Kaidan, Liara or Ashley if it isn't "final" because we didn't sit down and have a heart to heart chat about who we can or cannot boink because we are or are not in an exclusive relationship? 

Even taking ME as an example, you can note the difference in sleeping with the Consort or the casual encounter with Jack, etc. in a casual situation and a relationship with Jack or Thane or Garrus. It is silly to assume that because Bioware didn't implement the "Listen, we need to discuss the boundaries of our relationship." talk-- the relationship is casual and doesn't count. Thank goodness they didn't because that is stupid. It's bad enough we keep having to reassure Liara she is our friend.

As for the last, if all sex/romance was about blowing off steam, then you're missing the point of the relationships in the first place. I am sure some people "romance" the characters so they can have a virtual sex scene, but that isn't for me. I do it for story purpose and a way to feel connection to the characters I interact with, whether romantic or otherwise.

Modifié par KBomb, 14 mars 2013 - 02:02 .

[Element Zero]

o Ventus wrote...

Wait a second.

Jacob, sure. Brynn on the other hand? What part of Jacob's leaving FemShep was her fault? It wasn't like Brynn actively conspired to steal him away or anything.

Actually, she tells Shepard that she knew of the relationship and pursued Jacob anyway. It really was a pretty crappy end to that relationship, for those who went that route.

[Dendio1]

Even renegade fem shep needs to learn to deal. Jacob likes brynn more and decided to move on without consulting fem shep. No reason to kill the guy, his girl and his unborn child.

[WarGriffin]

Ykulnu wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...
Some of you guys have "Psychotic Ex"  written all over your posts. 

THIS. Remind me to never let you all near a pet rabbit if I ever got one.

Leaving someone to die becuase they cheated on you? Jesus.

That's the frightening thing about BSN... all the post that you should kill Squadmates that question your're questionable decison and should just be drones.

Some of the posters  I'd be afraid to be around.

[Funkdrspot]

KBomb wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

But then that's EXACTLY  what you can do. Shepard can romance a ton of people in ME2, none of which are the original options in ME1 (at least man-shep). In fact, picking Jacob in ME2 means you gave up on your ME1 option.

Ive been in more than enough relationships to know that nothing is final until you talk to the other party about it. I've had plenty of people whom I've dated, only to see them dating others at the same time. In the real world, you don't ever assume exclusivity until you talk it out with them and one side makes it known.

I  don't EVER remember that option. In fact, up until ME3, most of the sex/romance seems to be blowing off steam before a suicide mission.

Oh, ffs. Here we go. Let's compare virtual relationships to those we have in real life because how we romance someone in a video game is so mirrored to real life.

But then isn't that why so many people are going through stages of grief about Shepard dying?  Because they've become emotionally connected to their character?

Isn't that why we're in a thread about killing a character because he didn't wait for Shepard to make her mind? 

KBomb wrote...
To address the first thing: Picking Jacob doesn't equate to blowing off your ME1 option, since they blow you off way before you can hook up with Jacob. And your example is a contradiction to your argument. How can you blow off Kaidan, Liara or Ashley if it isn't "final" because we didn't sit down and have a heart to heart chat about who we can or cannot boink because we are or are not in an exclusive relationship?

If you didn't have that talk then it's not exclusive. Period point blank. Don't get so attached.

KBomb wrote...
Even taking ME as an example, you can note the difference in sleeping with the Consort or the casual encounter with Jack, etc. in a casual situation and a relationship with Jack or Thane or Garrus. It is silly to assume that because Bioware didn't implement the "Listen, we need to discuss the boundries of our relationship." talk-- the relationship is casual and doesn't count. Thank goodness they didn't because that is stupid. It's bad enough we keep having to reassure Liara she is our friend.

They did that with Jack to involve character depth and because it fits perfectly with her personality.

KBomb wrote...
As for the last, if all sex/romance was about blowing off steam, then you're missing the point of the relationships in the first place. I am sure some people "romance" the characters so they can have a virtual sex scene, but that isn't for me. I do it for story purpose and a way to feel connection to the characters I interact with, whether romantic or otherwise.

You can stop with the straw man. I didn't say the sex was ONLY  about blowin off steam but its like those typical scenes where 2 people hook up because its the end of the world or they could die tomorrow.

So yeah YOU  might get all emotionally involved with everyone you sleep with and that's a great thing. I'm offering the alternative view that if you haven't talked exclusivity with that person you can't be homicidal if they take a different view than you.

[KBomb]

Dendio1 wrote...

Even renegade fem shep needs to learn to deal. Jacob likes brynn more and decided to move on without consulting fem shep. No reason to kill the guy, his girl and his unborn child.

Yeah, I see Renegade Shep taking it with stride, tbh. RenShep (well, how I roll her) does whatever it takes to accomplish her task at hand and to see it to completion. I don't see RenShep taking time to sweat this kind of thing. She has more important things to do than to worry about a scrub with his baby mama. The entire thing was written ridiculously and feels so out of place. Not as ridiculous as killing people because they cheat on you, but there it is.

[RogueBot]

WarGriffin wrote...

Ykulnu wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...
Some of you guys have "Psychotic Ex"  written all over your posts. 

THIS. Remind me to never let you all near a pet rabbit if I ever got one.

Leaving someone to die becuase they cheated on you? Jesus.

That's the frightening thing about BSN... all the post that you should kill Squadmates that question your're questionable decison and should just be drones.

Some of the posters  I'd be afraid to be around.

It shows how poorly some peope react to being surrounded by submissive brown-nosers (like most of the Mass Effect cast). They totally lose perspective. It's actually rather interesting from a psychological point of view.

Modifié par RogueBot, 14 mars 2013 - 02:20 .

[Funkdrspot]

RogueBot wrote...

WarGriffin wrote...

Ykulnu wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...
Some of you guys have "Psychotic Ex"  written all over your posts. 

THIS. Remind me to never let you all near a pet rabbit if I ever got one.

Leaving someone to die becuase they cheated on you? Jesus.

That's the frightening thing about BSN... all the post that you should kill Squadmates that question your're questionable decison and should just be drones.

Some of the posters  I'd be afraid to be around.

It shows how poorly some peope react to being surrounded by submissive brown-nosers (like most of the Mass Effect cast). It's actually rather interesting from a psychological point of view.

ME  3 has been one big case study. It really is fascinating to see people react emotionally as though these were real situations. To watch people go through stages of denial, grief, anger and acceptance over a fictional character's death or some other decision they didn't like.

[KBomb]

Funkdrspot wrote...


But then isn't that why so many people are going through stages of grief about Shepard dying? Because they've become emotionally connected to their character?

Isn't that why we're in a thread about killing a character because he didn't wait for Shepard to make her mind?

meh, I don't feel any grief. None whatsoever. Regardless, becoming emotionally attached to your character and matching it with your real life is pointless and doesn't apply foundation to an argument in a situation where the relationship you have in a video game is no where near the investment of one you have irl. I wouldn't date anyone in the MEU if it were real life. To suggest that there needs to be a definitive conversation with every love interest to detail the relationship to add validity to it is asinine and since no conversation like that exist in either game, that means none of the relationship mean anything.

They did that with Jack to involve character depth and because it fits perfectly with her personality.

It doesn't matter why they did it, the argument is still valid. It's still an entirely different situation, as it is with the Consort. There is no mistake that it's a casual relationship, there is no question applied to it. That is the point.

So yeah YOU might get all emotionally involved with everyone you sleep with and that's a great thing. I'm offering the alternative view that if you haven't talked exclusivity with that person you can't be homicidal if they take a different view than you.

Jesus, what is wrong with you? lol Have you read anything I have written about the discussion? My character, you know *Shepard* doesn't waste time on Jacob because she has better things to do. *KBomb*, as in me, doesn't care either way because Jacob is.not.real.. I do think he was written poorly. Written, you know, because he is not real. I also think it's bonkers to want to kill anyone just because they step out on you. I guess you'd know that if you actually read any of my replies.

See, this is why you don't bring real world into a fantasy world. You end up conversing with people who don't know where one ends and where one begins.

[Galbrant]

Dendio1 wrote...

Even renegade fem shep needs to learn to deal. Jacob likes brynn more and decided to move on without consulting fem shep. No reason to kill the guy, his girl and his unborn child.

What? Are you telling my Renegade Femshep Adept to deal? She massacre the entire Quarian Race and shot Mordin in the back.... Killing one more cheating scumbag is not much compare what she done in the game. And that baby... I'm cutting it out of its mother infront of Jacob first and sell it to the Eclipse Mercs for a galleon of Red Sand before I have his limbs pulled apart by Kakliosaurs!!! By the end of the day Wrex and Grunt will have some pack lunch before the day is out. 

:devil::devil::devil:

[KainD]

I love you Jacob and you are going to love me too! Or die!

http://t2.gstatic.co...2426xACEbtWW6Cw

[o Ventus]

Whybother wrote...

GlassElephant wrote...

Most of the squadmates have daddy issues, true.  There's Miranda, Jack, Liara, Tali, Garrus, Thane, James, Grunt, Wrex, and all Shepards have a missing dad.  None of the other dads are nearly as bad as Jacob's though.  Miranda's dad may be a psycho but he isn't a rapist.

Miranda's dad experiments on and mutates hundreds if not thousands of people in ME3.  I think he is worse than Jacob's dad.

There's also the whole "splicing human genomes together to see what they make" thing, usually followed by the "kill them if they aren't space-Aryan" thing.

[Aggie Punbot]

Gangnam Style wrote...

Ykulnu wrote...
THIS. Remind me to never let you all near a pet rabbit if I ever got one.

Leaving someone to die becuase they cheated on you? Jesus.

bsn is a terrible place full of terrible people

It is indeed. You can see this most keenly in the number of people who cheered when Lilith got liquified in ME2 simply because she had the audacity to have a scene with Kaidan.

Modifié par TS2Aggie, 16 mars 2013 - 11:34 .

[Alien Number Six]

But I can leave these people to die because they aren't real............right?

[Alien Number Six]

The great thing about this game.....you are video god. No one cheats on video god! I'm picking Jacob to be eaten by collector swarms!

[Megaton_Hope]

KBomb wrote...

It is silly to assume that because Bioware didn't implement the "Listen, we need to discuss the boundaries of our relationship." talk-- the relationship is casual and doesn't count. Thank goodness they didn't because that is stupid. It's bad enough we keep having to reassure Liara she is our friend.

You can actually have one, if you've been talking regularly to both Liara and Ashley. (Which means, by perverse video game logic, you luuuurve them both.) Liara doesn't seem to think it's a big deal, but Ashley's a space prude.

[Krunjar]

Guys i understand the resentment but doing this to Jacob and Brynn would DEFINITELY be leaving good guy territory. Zaeed was and is a reckless and dangerous individual. Who directly endangered Shepard and his team. So you could see a gritty/renegade or even an overbearing paragon taking that act. But the only thing jacob did wrong was cheat on shepard. Which while certainly a d*ck move is hardly a hanging offense.

Besides from what little I saw of the jacob romance in Me2 (I gave up that playthrough halfway thru in disgust)  Jacob basically treats shep as nothing but a piece of ass from the beggining. FemShep REALLY should have seen this coming I was hardly surprised when it happened.

Modifié par Krunjar, 17 mars 2013 - 10:59 .

[WitcheyMarina]

Leaving them to die is a bit extreme. A slap for Brynn and a pistol whip for Jacob would be more than enough if I had romanced Jacob.

...Maybe a kick to the crotch as well.

But I like Jacob as a bud anyway. Brynn, on the other hand... why couldn't she just be happy with Anders?