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[HolyAvenger]

So SP has finally served up a challenging set of combat encounters.

I tackled Mirror Match a couple of times last night before getting beat down, then having to go to bed. I played them on Blasteroid, I think. I found Soldiers, Adepts and Sentinels easy enough to handle, but man were Vanguards and Engineers a pain.

What strategy did people adopt? What teammates did you use? Any particular map?

[Athenau]

Choose a map with lots of high cover and limited flanking opportunities (spin zone works well). I chose Garrus and Vega because Garrus has concussive shot, which now does good damage and staggers on a low recharge, and Vega has the squad bonus to health and shields (carnage is useful too).  Zaeed would work even better (cuz he has conc shot too) but for some reason he isn't showing up in my available squadmates list.

The biggest tip I can give you is DON'T let even one flank you. Other than that, focus fire, and if you have an ammo power, use your teammates to trigger as many tech bursts or fire explosions as possible.

There isn't really much difference between clone classes, they all spam powers and if you can avoid getting chain stunned by power spam you're 90% of the way to beating them.

Modifié par Athenau, 13 mars 2013 - 01:09 .

[capn233]

Right hand advantage. Soft cover. Combos.  Suppressor.  What class are you playing?

I have used Miranda and Garrus so far.  You could use whoever really.  Mainly just need to avoid their powers.  Note that sometimes they can knock you out of cover if you are right at the edge.  It is also a good idea to move away from their spawn when the countdown starts.  They approach at different speeds, so that makes it a little easier.

Soldier - Prime Evil
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Novaguard - Wingman (Full Bonus)

[HolyAvenger]

I only had two attempts. First one was just figuring out the AI and movement and stuff. Second one I almost had it then wiped due to a nova + stray grenade on the third wave.

I was using SoldierShep with PPR, Garrus with PPR/BW and Liara with Scorpion/Hornet. Will probably drop Liara for EDI or Miranda, overload is far too useful here.

Thanks for the vids, will watch later.

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

I was playing an engineer with neural chain overload and it was absolutely amazing with the stagger and bouncing between other Sheps. Pretty much made it doable alone by itself.

I also found energy drain to be pretty good as a panic button. Also really found the M-11 Suppressor to be really great, stripping their shields and head shotting them to death.

I did it with Tali/Garrus, just because I like doing stuff with them. Agree on Spin Zone as a map.

[capn233]

HolyAvenger wrote...

I was using SoldierShep with PPR, Garrus with PPR/BW and Liara with Scorpion/Hornet. Will probably drop Liara for EDI or Miranda, overload is far too useful here.

As a Soldier, I got a good deal of mileage out of Amplified Concussive Shot.  That will make them dodge, stagger, and or light / detonate a fire explosion.

Also Suppressor is really an excellent choice on Soldier since you can hit Adrenaline Rush and do a bunch of damage.  And time dilation helps land more shots on their heads.  Of course, if you are playing with no thermal clips bonus, then it will probably work well for 1 round.

I used Garrus and Liara for the bulk of the missions in the game, but Miranda / Garrus has been more of my standard team at Armax (I suppose that is because they were my default ME2 team).  Dual Oveloads is nice since the Spectres will be shielded.  If you just want Overload spam though, Kasumi is the best.  You just have to map Cloak and Overload to keys and use them in sequence every time.

[Anfauglith5]

Protips : In the Arena, the Ennemies' shieldGate and DR from Armor are off...

Take a Black Widow or a Javelin, and start to OSK everything, including Geth Prime !

[HolyAvenger]

Anfauglith5 wrote...

Protips : In the Arena, the Ennemies' shieldGate and DR from Armor are off...

Take a Black Widow or a Javelin, and start to OSK everything, including Geth Prime !

Seriously?

[Anfauglith5]

I'm not sure that you can OSK a prime, but i'm certain you can OSK a phantom with an Infiltrator BW

Edit : and i talk about Insane difficulty level...

Edit 2 : and you can also kill a Banshee with a shuriken 1 in less than 10 sec !

Modifié par Anfauglith5, 13 mars 2013 - 04:47 .

[xrudix]

take garrus and ashley with typhoon X, spec for max wepon damage(ash got + 60 to ar dmg). Go drink coffee easy... same way i killed clone infiltrator, this couple is pretty much overkill. and yes i play on insanity.

Modifié par xrudix, 13 mars 2013 - 06:11 .

[capn233]

Well part of it is that Insanity level bosses have less armor and shields than in MP.

I had wondered if they are getting full headshot bonuses in a thread I made about the Suppressor. Mainly because I was killing Primes and Banshees extremely quickly with it on Soldier. But I think the main issue is just that Shepard has a lot of damage bonuses and Suppressor is rated at 1500 burst DPS before mods and bonuses...

I also wondered if the Technical Issues match has enemies that don't actually have their full HP, because that is where I noticed that it was most ridiculous.

[Athenau]

Yeah, I noticed the "no shield gate" thing too when I was testing Javelin/Widow. I didn't need an ammo power to do health damage past defenses in the arena, but I did outside. Which is pretty lame.

[capn233]

Hmmm. So SR's are the way to go on Mirror I guess.

[Epsilon330]

The Valiant is a good choice in so far as it doesn't have a punishing reload time, and can reliably hit the heads of the CloneSheps. Bring Wrex and Grunt, and have them tank damage and keep the Vanguards/Adepts from stunlocking you.

[HolyAvenger]

Yup, I was one-shotting stuff with my Black Widow Soldier. There is no shieldgate in the Arena.

I was doing the quests though, so no Mirror Match yet.

[Shadowbane1990]

I finally beaten the Mirror Match on Blasteroid on Insanity with my level 60 Soldier... It's not that they have No power recharge time at all, or that they constantly aim at you and Not your teammates, My Teammates Nomatter who I pick do NOTHING, they stand there in the open not getting shot at and not shooting anything, even in melee range, I had Wrex and Grunt using 2 Melee, max damage Claymore X's and they stood there doing nothing letting all enemies walk Right passed them... They Always charge and screw over the enemy what the heck is up with this? is it a bug or something because my teammates aren't This useless, yet when I fight Cerberus through Collector's they shoot everything back to the freaken planet they came from with a gravestone to boot, Sorry for this rant but its really pissing me off I'm basically trying to solo it... Is anyone else having this problem? Even when I make them target someone the moment that enemy takes cover which is every second, there back to doing nothing, But only on the Mirror Match, why is this happening?

Modifié par Shadowbane1990, 14 mars 2013 - 01:35 .

[Shadowbane1990]

um...well... nevermind it was appearently a temporary glitch, not sure how I fixed it but atleast my squadmates are actually doing something now. Again sorry for the rant, this glitch really got on my nerves. Also, Suppressor X... Holy Crap if you guys haven't gotten it to level 10 yet What The Heck are you waiting for? Its Over Powered!

[capn233]

Shadowbane1990 wrote...

um...well... nevermind it was appearently a temporary glitch, not sure how I fixed it but atleast my squadmates are actually doing something now. Again sorry for the rant, this glitch really got on my nerves. Also, Suppressor X... Holy Crap if you guys haven't gotten it to level 10 yet What The Heck are you waiting for? Its Over Powered!

The first mirror match I did was with Suppressor I (I didn't know that there was an upgrade terminal in Armax, and I didn't go back to Normandy on my first Citadel run).  Still, on a Soldier it was very good.

[rt604]

Is the Suppressor effective if you don't hit headshots on a consistent basis? Plus with regards to the mirror match on insanity. I played on the fatal error arena, and took Garrus and James along with Typhoons it went very well. Garrus' overload to strip shields and James had Inferno Ammo along with myself and Garrus' AP ammo it did damage very quickly. Also James' carnage was useful along with my soldier Shepard or Garrus using CS to create fire explosions every once in awhile.

[capn233]

rt604 wrote...

Is the Suppressor effective if you don't hit headshots on a consistent basis? .

The answer is "not exactly."

Suppressor has 1500 burst DPS at X, which is pretty good before mods and bonuses.  However, reload time is a killer on it and sustained drops to 600.  So if you can't one-clip, there are better options.

As for the headshots themselves, the main issue is ammo efficiency.  The weapon is ok against a humanoid target without headshots, but it will burn through ammo very quickly that way.  You need to land the headshots to conserve your ammo for other targets.

On a Soldier, you get time dilation with Adrenaline Rush... that makes it easier to aim (ignoring the fact that it might be awkward if you are transitioning to SP from MP), and the damage boost means headshots do a whole lot of damage.  Personally, I really like the Suppressor and think it is one of the better designed weapons in the game.

[godlike13]

With my Inferno Vanguard i took Grunt and Wrex and let them tank while spamming nades. I forgot what map. No bonuses. It was still was pretty tricky due to their stunlocking powers. Just keep at it.

Btw i love the Suppressor. By far my favorite handgun. Just wish it was a little lighter.

Modifié par godlike13, 14 mars 2013 - 05:29 .

[HolyAvenger]

Finally got around to trying it again, beat it on my 5th-6th attempt. Stunlock RAAAAAAAAAAAAGE.

Used a Black Widow Soldier. Garrus/Grunt. AI for mirror matches is f*cked up. I can understand during the fight on the Normandy why the clone ignores the teammates to gun for Shepard, but in the arena it is so stupid to have your squad sitting out in the middle during the whole fight, taking nary a scracth.

[Apple_NdiB]

Did it on the Armax classic with Liara and Miranda as a Soldier. I made a beeline for the tower in the top left-hand corner (from the perspective of the position you start in) and spammed warp/overload to strip shields and barriers. Then with the liberal used of Adrenaline Rush I picked off enemies at medium and long range with my Sabre (loaded with disruptor rounds) and shut down those pesky Vanguards when they closed in with my Wraith (always with incendiary ammo). It took a few tries but in the end it was fairly straightforward.

[Yuanrang]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Anfauglith5 wrote...

Protips : In the Arena, the Ennemies' shieldGate and DR from Armor are off...

Take a Black Widow or a Javelin, and start to OSK everything, including Geth Prime !

Seriously?

Yup. As a level 60 soldier with any bonuses and gear directly put into weapon damage and a Venom V, I was able to burn through banshees, atlas, praetorians and geth primes in about a second. Charge up gun. Pop Adrenaline Rush. Shoot at target (this should leave the target with some armor bars left) and then tell your squadmates to bash the target upon detonation. 

Personally, I use Javik and Wrex (not optimal though, but I started using them and never fail with them so) and have them toss 1 grenade each which is usually enough, and if it's not, Wrex tends to finish the dying mob off or my next charged Venom blast clears them out.

The mirror match enemies require a bit more, but bombing them hard enough to severely weaken their first wave is not much of an issue. It's just going to require a rapid spawn nuke, then some fast management afterwards. 

Insanity is actually fairly simple, but I don't know, I haven't really played Mass Effect 3 on anything but insanity since I started on it on my first playthrough. It's just all... normal.  

[HolyAvenger]

Venom is pretty broken in SP. I don't have the DLC weapons, but I've seen enough footage of it.

I did it by switching to my Black Widow. Burst damage is really king in the mirror matches as the clones will simply stunlock you too quickly out of cover. Which is probably why they got rid of shieldgate.

I have no issues with the super-elites, of course. That's simply equivalent to soloing plat, easy enough.

I only played insanity too. I agree it is not very difficult. Mirror Matches are the only fight it took me more than 2 attempts to master. Next I want to solo with all the negative modifiers on.