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[luna1124]

I always kill Vaughan now, after playing a CE. Even as a human, I still let him have it

[Ryzaki]

My humans leave him to rot.

My elf mages stab him though.

And ah my CE. She and Alistair loathe each other. (To be fair she hates almost everyone save Dog.)

[luna1124]

As a Dalish elf, I left him in his cell and he called me a fat **** So, he always dies now. LOL

[Lavaeolus]

Most of my characters either let him out for his support or leave him to rot. Mostly the latter.

The City Elf never meets him because he's already died earlier on. "Take this money for my life; also I'll rape all your friends," is an awful deal.

Modifié par Mr Maniac, 10 mai 2013 - 07:39 .

[Ryzaki]

Seriously! What an idiot.

would've been smarter to say "Fine take the women here's some cash" and then run screaming to the guard the second they were gone.

too dumb to live.

[Lavaeolus]

Vaughan actually raises a good reason for taking his bribe, but it's easy to miss it over everything else he's saying: "Kill me, and my father will want vengeance. The Alienage will pay dearly."

This element is pretty much discarded immediately, though, and the game treats it as more you doing it because you're a jerk.

Personally, I sort of ended up killing him without even thinking about it. The guy isn't very persuasive.

Modifié par Mr Maniac, 10 mai 2013 - 09:09 .

[coldwetn0se]

Re: the chantry mother speaking to Vaughn.
- Actually, the mother does say something when Vaughn intrudes on the wedding. She doesn't threaten him or order him away, but she does protest.

start from :39 and run to :50

[Ryzaki]

Mr Maniac wrote...

Vaughan actually raises a good reason for taking his bribe, but it's easy to miss it over everything else he's saying: "Kill me, and my father will want vengeance. The Alienage will pay dearly."

This element is pretty much discarded immediately, though, and the game treats it as more you doing it because you're a jerk.

Personally, I sort of ended up killing him without even thinking about it. The guy isn't very persuasive.

Yeah but I figured he's gonna do that regardless.

At least he could offer the women back and my PC would consider "well it might not be so bad if his father sees his son is still alive..."

But idiot Vaughn's all "Nope. I still wanna rape party." and then my CE just drives that sword through his skull. No sell.

[ejoslin]

coldwetn0se wrote...

Re: the chantry mother speaking to Vaughn.
- Actually, the mother does say something when Vaughn intrudes on the wedding. She doesn't threaten him or order him away, but she does protest.

start from :39 and run to :50

Okay, good, I WASN'T crazy in that memory.  I was looking at the wrong place -- I was looking when Shianni originally beaned Vaughan.  It was there that someone said that they were celebrating weddings.

I do have to admit, when they carried Vaughan out, it looked goofy as anything.

Modifié par ejoslin, 10 mai 2013 - 10:28 .

[Lavaeolus]

Yeah but I figured he's gonna do that regardless.

And he does! Immediately sells you out to the guard the moment you leave.

Jerk.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

ejoslin wrote...

The worst part about it, on my over-reflection on it today, is that the kidnappings probably were not that unusual an occurrence.

They weren't. As a male CE you hear that the elves fished a blacksmith's daughter out of the bay a short time ago.

[Ryzaki]

...

And I'm rerolling a CE and cutting Vaughn's head off again.

Unbelievable.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

No, stab him through the stomach. That takes longer to die from.

[Face of Evil]

Mr Maniac wrote...

Vaughan actually raises a good reason for taking his bribe, but it's easy to miss it over everything else he's saying: "Kill me, and my father will want vengeance. The Alienage will pay dearly."

This element is pretty much discarded immediately, though, and the game treats it as more you doing it because you're a jerk.

The Warden can dismiss the argument himself in dialogue with Soris. You just broke into into the arl''s estate and killed all his guards; do you really think Vaughan would just let that slide while letting you walk off with a bag of gold for your trouble?

I think Shianni puts it best: elves die in the gutter every day over a look or nothing at all, and whether they fight back or do nothing, their situation never changes. So you might as well kill the bastard and save the bridal party; at least you'll spare them some torment and there'll be one less Vaughan in the world.

Modifié par Face of Evil, 11 mai 2013 - 12:51 .

[Lavaeolus]

@above: Oh, I'm not saying taking the bribe is the right choice. It's a pretty stupid move, in fact. Just that there are other reasons to save him, at least in character-wise.

[Bhryaen]

I always figure- with Vaughan still alive you're assured of having someone in power who relishes harming elves, so you're guaranteed to have a crackdown while he still lives. And a promise from him is as reliable as an umbrella in a tornado. Why wouldn't he send assassins in the middle of the night to kill my CE. No, this was a matter of Vaughan lives or my CE lives... though she hadn't anticipated Duncan's "rescue" option. (This goes also for the bribe. I can't see what idiot would ever trust Vaughan's word to follow through with the coin drop-off- at least without metagaming.)

On the other hand since we don't meet the father- who incidentally does go to Ostagar to fight, unlike his roguish (ig)noble son who stayed home to hold rape parties while dad was away (where are the arlessas in this game?)- it's at least possible that the Arl isn't the type to immediately slaughter elves in vengeance. After all, the incident would long be cold by the time the Arl would return. There never was any threat posed by all the elves, nor any riot (until some epilogue slides). So he'd have to order the crackdown overtly with no genuine pretext, just personal hate which could get numerous more of what's left of his soldiers killed. And he'd probably learn at some point that it all started with his son's sociopathy, not the elves, and now that the elves are safe and Vaughan no longer making problems, the elven threat would be over. He'd have to create a reason for a new conflict that might end up getting him killed as well. Might he do it anyway? Sure, if Vaughan was only acting the way Pops taught him, like son like father. But maybe not. There's at least a chance the Arl will be different without his son.

And anyway I think the CE has a dialog choice at some point- maybe with Soris in that exchange with Vaughan where Soris starts wimping out- to say something like, "It's too late now. If they're going to raid the Alienage, we've already given them the pretext." Alienage knife-ears broke into the Arl's mansion to slaughter every human from the cook to the chief guard, looting everything in their path. Hard to see how killing Vaughan would make a difference at that point, so might as well. And if there's going to be a raid anyway, why let Vaughan get away with rape on top of it?

In other words I don't think Vaughan makes a good argument for not killing him. In fact, he sounds like he's describing his future plans as Arl when Dad lets him take the reins- converting the Alienage into a rape and torture camp for his whims- so it only convinces my CE further that killing him is the best option. Some humans threaten mass rape and murder, others just spit on the ground as you pass. Vaughan makes it clear where he stands in that continuum, so my CE gambles that the reaction of the Arl alone can't be any worse. And in any case the rape parties will have to stop: they picked the wrong knife-ears to abduct.

Besides, he's bargaining for his life and his price is not even half the cost of a Ring of Ages. Well, my CE would have appraised him at far less, but still, not enough monetary value on his life for her standards. What does he take her for? No deal! >:-)

As an aside, it sure is an ironic shame that the CE is the only one who has to be an idiot and scuzbag to get his 40 sov from him- i.e., accept the bribe. No other origin gets abducted or slapped down by him but they get to trick him in his prison cell and make off w 40 sovs with a few dialog selections.

[Ryzaki]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

No, stab him through the stomach. That takes longer to die from.

True but she doesn't wanna hear his BS while he's dying. Better to make it quick.

Less chance of a healer saving him that way too. <3

[ejoslin]

The elves rioted after the wedding party. They rioted, got purged (nice way of saying mass execution) when Howe took over Denerim, and then plague set in, and slavery, etc.

Actually, the riot doesn't make much sense of Vaughan was killed, but it makes infinite sense if he wasn't.

Modifié par ejoslin, 11 mai 2013 - 02:14 .

[luna1124]

I don't think there was a riot at all, it was a cover-up because of the plague and Tevinter slavers... Plus Anora is such a lousy Queen, she had no idea what was happening right under her nose.
Or maybe they considered the wedding day kidnap rescue as "rioting"?

[mousestalker]

If the CE kills Vaughn I figure that the riot was what happened in the Arl's palace leading up to and including Vaughn's death. In other words, a more plausible version of what really happened.

Because no one would ever really believe that one elf did all that.

[luna1124]

I know, here is Soris standing there with armor and weapons covered in blood, but my CE always takes the whole blame. They guards accept that, makes me laugh.

[ejoslin]

You know, actually, that's true -- it would make sense if they thought the deaths in the Denerim castle were due to a riot. It certainly would be better PR than thinking that the castle guards (skeleton crew though it was) could be defeated by two elves.

If not playing a city elf, if you talk to Soris in the prison, he says nothing about there being another elf there, but he did still make it to Vaughan. Also, he had trouble believing that the elves would riot. However, he wasn't talking about much of anything -- he just wanted to get out.

[Lavaeolus]

Frankly, since Howe took over, I'm not surprised they riotted either way. Howe's like Vaughan, except that he'd probably purge a human city as well.

Also, keep in mind that, even if you spare Vaughan, there's enough guards dead that anyone would expect a riot -- and Howe lies and says you killed Vaughan anyway.