One small thing you seem to have overlooked - Vaughn also laughs at the human priestess who is to carry out the marriage ceremony. The church is powerful, they can punish you for interfering in their affairs which a legitimate ceremony surely is. But this son of an Arl cares not. He knows father will cover him with the church (if the church even bothers complaining) and he knows father ultimately leads the justice system in the city. And the guards seem totally OK with letting the boy play. He wouldn't have taken it well if the leader of some insignificant "Grey Warden" organisation tried to interfere in his revenge rape party.
Duncan in City Elf Origin WTF
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#152
Posté 30 juin 2013 - 10:46
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Ah I remember this, I was power playing through the 6 openings for the achievements and playing as a she-elf in this opening, was heartsore. I actually liked the fiance and was more than heartbroken when the sweet chap died..
Duncan is a jerk, Alistair defends him but he is a 'what-ever it takes' kinda guy and I know he can't throw his weight around because the Wardens were once banned and he can't overstep boundries, but he is an a-hole when it comes to getting his way.
Look at the Noble opening, he tells a dying man, "I ain't doin' jack for you unless you sign your possibly only living child over to my order"
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Duncan is a jerk, Alistair defends him but he is a 'what-ever it takes' kinda guy and I know he can't throw his weight around because the Wardens were once banned and he can't overstep boundries, but he is an a-hole when it comes to getting his way.
Look at the Noble opening, he tells a dying man, "I ain't doin' jack for you unless you sign your possibly only living child over to my order"
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#153
Posté 01 juillet 2013 - 10:47
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I felt Duncan should have at least made his presence known at the wedding, too, but this post raises a very good point:
Ultimately, Duncan had very good reasons to believe that he would be unable to stop the crime and any attempt to interfere would simply risk compromising the power of the Grey Wardens without any possible gain.
As for the DE, I think Duncan is right in his assessment that the threat to the whole world outweighs the desires of a selfish elf who would rather die than become a Grey Warden. The same goes for the Mage.
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One small thing you seem to have overlooked - Vaughn also laughs at the human priestess who is to carry out the marriage ceremony. The church is powerful, they can punish you for interfering in their affairs which a legitimate ceremony surely is. But this son of an Arl cares not. He knows father will cover him with the church (if the church even bothers complaining) and he knows father ultimately leads the justice system in the city. And the guards seem totally OK with letting the boy play. He wouldn't have taken it well if the leader of some insignificant "Grey Warden" organisation tried to interfere in his revenge rape party.
Ultimately, Duncan had very good reasons to believe that he would be unable to stop the crime and any attempt to interfere would simply risk compromising the power of the Grey Wardens without any possible gain.
As for the DE, I think Duncan is right in his assessment that the threat to the whole world outweighs the desires of a selfish elf who would rather die than become a Grey Warden. The same goes for the Mage.
#154
Posté 02 juillet 2013 - 04:32
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As far as the priest goes, I feel like there was a piece of dialog or a codex entry or something that pinned her as the only priest who would perform marriage ceremonies in the alienage. So I don't get the feeling that she has a lot of pull with her organization, *and* she's unarmed and untrained.
Duncan is the leader of an order of warriors. It's not the same thing at all.
Duncan is the leader of an order of warriors. It's not the same thing at all.
#155
Posté 03 juillet 2013 - 08:30
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UndergoingMitosis wrote...
As far as the priest goes, I feel like there was a piece of dialog or a codex entry or something that pinned her as the only priest who would perform marriage ceremonies in the alienage. So I don't get the feeling that she has a lot of pull with her organization, *and* she's unarmed and untrained.
Duncan is the leader of an order of warriors. It's not the same thing at all.
The Chantry has far more influence and power than the Grey Wardens. I think it is likely that the arrogant Arl's son would be more worried about committing a crime in front of any priestress than he would in front of the leader of the Grey Wardens.
If anything, that Codex entry further supports that Duncan couldn't have done a thing, because even the Chantry doesn't regard the city elves as respectable. As the Arl's son tells the PC, nobody will care what he does with a bunch of animals. Duncan recognizes in the political environment there is nothing he could do that will stop the crime short of killing the Arl's son, and (I think correctly) decides it would be a bad idea to overtly challenge the Arl's son and risk a further loss of Grey Warden influence. Remember, the situation is already so dire that he needs the written proof of the treaties and feels the need to scold Alistair for upsetting the Circle.
Finally, you have to look beyond just that one day. Even if Duncan succeeds in preventing the Arl's son's crime on that one day, Duncan won't be there to stop it tomorrow. I'm pretty certain the arl's son would return the next day and take what he wants then, and worse. Unless Duncan was planning on helping the entire alienage flee to the Dalish, any overt interference would have just made matters worse for the elves.
#156
Posté 02 août 2013 - 10:47
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I've only played this Origin so far, and I have played through it as both male and female to see what the differences would be and I was really impressed at the differences! I must say that the female version is a whole lot harsher (though nothing even close to Braveheart, which this scene was so obviously inspired by) than the male version, though. In the male version noone dies, well that poor girl, Nola, but you never actually get to SEE it!
I like when games get this grim and ugly, it gives me all the more incentive to hate the badguys - gutting Vaughan was really bloody sweet. Also the closer to reality the better imho, it what makes the game more believable and immersive. Then again I am male, perhaps I would've thought differntly if I wasn't.
Oh and I find it rather funny that the OP complains about this but fails to mention when Duncan callously murders Ser Jory just for refusing to take the Joining. That really made him sink in my eyes.
I like when games get this grim and ugly, it gives me all the more incentive to hate the badguys - gutting Vaughan was really bloody sweet. Also the closer to reality the better imho, it what makes the game more believable and immersive. Then again I am male, perhaps I would've thought differntly if I wasn't.
Oh and I find it rather funny that the OP complains about this but fails to mention when Duncan callously murders Ser Jory just for refusing to take the Joining. That really made him sink in my eyes.
#157
Posté 02 août 2013 - 11:14
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The grey wardens are a dedicated group.
I was shocked when Duncan killed Jory, but I understood why he did it and it did NOT diminish him in my eyes.
I was shocked when Duncan killed Jory, but I understood why he did it and it did NOT diminish him in my eyes.
#158
Posté 03 août 2013 - 04:19
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NocturneNight wrote...
Oh and I find it rather funny that the OP complains about this but fails to mention when Duncan callously murders Ser Jory just for refusing to take the Joining. That really made him sink in my eyes.
Really? Jory both drew and attacked first.
#159
Posté 03 août 2013 - 12:17
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Yes, so that he wouldn't have to drink the blood and most likely die. Duncan persisted which caused Jory to draw. I don't understand why he couldn't have just let him go instead.
#160
Posté 04 août 2013 - 02:03
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NocturneNight wrote...
Yes, so that he wouldn't have to drink the blood and most likely die. Duncan persisted which caused Jory to draw. I don't understand why he couldn't have just let him go instead.
I believe it to be because if Jory was effected by the ritual, he would have had a tough time blabbing the secret. An untainted knight is a pretty good witness for the Wardens' dark ritual. One whose body is a dark item because of it is somewhat less so. And the Wardens do not need the PR disaster that Jory could have chosen to be, or even could have carelessly become had he thoughtlessly blabbed to someone he trusted not to speak.
#161
Posté 07 août 2013 - 07:18
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Jory knew the joining was dangerous and that it could claim his life. Only when he found out that it involved consuming darkspawn blood did he want to back out, which he also knew was out of the question at that point. He could risk taking the joining and maybe live or refuse and surely be killed by Duncan. He foolishly chose the latter. Jory's unfortunate death was his own fault.
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#162
Posté 29 mai 2015 - 04:43
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I think it has less to do with the characters and more to do with the writers. It was convenient for the writers to leave him out when the female elves were kidnapped. Then when the writers need him again, he's back with weapons for a break-in. In all the origins, he's less of a character and more of a plot device. It's a really simple reason, but pretty realistic. The writers do tend to leave a few plot holes and all that stuff here and there. It's not unlike them.
#163
Posté 29 mai 2015 - 05:25
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Duncan doesn't save the elven prisoners because the whole kidnap and rape situaton was created to get you immersed in the game by playing with your emotions.
If he meddled in that affair, it would pretty much kill that intent.
Period.
#164
Posté 22 juin 2015 - 08:18
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I know where OP is coming from, and just because I want to like Duncan, I headcannoned that he wasn't actually at the wedding.
Well...he isn't there. He's not standing on the platform, he isn't in the audience. His position where you left him is well out of the range at which you can overhear NPCs speak. He isn't watching. He could not have known what was happening at the wedding until the abduction was a fait accompli.
