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[KainD]

GT Zazzerka wrote...

Just pretend that she felt so much guilt and regret for the people she's killed that she fought to the death to save an orphanage, or something.

Lol, that would be so out of character. 

[MCS Shootist]

KainD wrote...

Morinth is a capable enough person to react in time and get away, if she really needs to. That's what she spent 400 years doing - running away and hiding. Not so hard to find a shuttle and get off the planet. Most people come and go during the war as they please, Turian Primarch for example was at war, but just took a shuttle and flew away.

All the refugees that come to citadel are also regular people that got away from the invasion. 

That were LUCKY enough to get away from the invasion. Being able to get off planet is not so easy as it sounds. For all the ones that made it to the citadel, there were prolly five times as many who got obliterated in the atmosphere.

Also, the Turian Primarch is the Primarch, even if he was in a shuttle, he would have every vessel in the Turian fleet protecting his butt. Even those refugees who did manage to get away, they prolly had to have several capital ships basically sacrifice themselves to cover their escape.

[Wayning_Star]

MCS Shootist wrote...

I think one thing people forget is Shepard and crew can move around the galaxy with impunity because they have a fast stealth ship. Morinth's a very smart girl, sure, but it just takes one mistake or bit of bad luck and she could easily get stuck on a planet being attacked by the reapers, and at that point its only a matter of time. She'd be hard pressed to find a way off planet, and even if she made it, for that ship to outrun the reapers and make it to another system. And if they actually found out she was on the planet and actively hunted her, its well nigh impossible for her to last for very long.

Sure, she's supposedly as powerful as her mom, but she's also a serial killer. Her usual MO is to beguile her opponents, and then strike when their defenses are down. One could argue that the collector mission showed she could fight as hard as her mom if pressed. But even then, how many people could she really take on? Several dozen? A planetary reaper invasion force prolly has millions, with their numbers growing stronger as they indoctrinate the population. With no way to get off planet, she'll be overwhelmed eventually. The PTSD Asari who killed Joker's family, she lasted a couple of weeks, sure, but she was also eventually picked up by Asari forces. Morinth has no friends or allies to speak of to find and rescue her.

As for, "shouldn't she be smart enough to run somewhere far away from the Reapers?" Sure, but again, she's also a serial killer. She can't not hunt, those urges are too strong, she would never be able so stay in some remote isolated location for very long. She'd have to go to a place with a sizable population, which would also be the kinda place the Reapers would attack. Could you see her hiding out in some small, podunk colony? And if she did manage to stomach it, how long before she attacked someone and got discovered, presenting a whole different set of problems and forcing her to flee?

ten cyber cookies for the winner..

[Han Shot First]

She probably got captured out in the Terminus.

While Thessia and other territories of the Asari Republics do not get invaded until relatively late in the game, there are independent Asari worlds out in the Terminus that could have been attacked around the same time that the Batarian Hegemony was invaded.
 
Illium, which is also independent from the Asari Republics, gets invaded early as well. One of the first news reports you can overhear (right after Menae) is of Illium being attacked. Perhaps Morinth was on Illium?

At any rate I don't see her capture as being unrealistic. The Reapers far outclass every other faction they come up against, and Morinth is just one person. Maybe she got trapped groundside and didn't have a ship on which to escape the planet. Or maybe she did get on a ship which was later disabled by the Reapers before it could flee through a relay.

[Zazzerka]

KainD wrote...

GT Zazzerka wrote...

Just pretend that she felt so much guilt and regret for the people she's killed that she fought to the death to save an orphanage, or something.

Lol, that would be so out of character.

In that case, she tried to have sex with the orphanage, but the orphanage was actually a reaper.

[KainD]

MCS Shootist wrote...

That were LUCKY enough to get away from the invasion. Being able to get off planet is not so easy as it sounds. For all the ones that made it to the citadel, there were prolly five times as many who got obliterated in the atmosphere.

That's nice, but as I said Morinth is a lot more capable than all those refugees, thus you can account with skill for luck. It's a lot easier to get away when you are capable of killing a dozen of Bruts and what not. 

[thedancingdruid]

It is revealed during the monastery mission that Morinth was trying to contact her sisters. The letters were never delivered, but I would assume she went to make contact anyway considering the letter to Shepard, thanking Shepard for "taking a chance on her."

[Ozzy]

I'm still upset at Bioware for this.

[essarr71]

I dunno. If she was tougher itd take more than grabbing her wrist to kill her.

[KainD]

AstusOz wrote...

I'm still upset at Bioware for this.

I am more pissed than upset really. 

[Hadeedak]

All it takes is bad luck. I mean, Primarch Fedorian ate it before we met him, and given how turians work, he was probably a brilliant leader, surrounded by some of the best soldiers in the galaxy.

[KainD]

GT Zazzerka wrote...

In that case, she tried to have sex with the orphanage, but the orphanage was actually a reaper.

Lmao. Wouldn't she fry the reaper though? 

[Han Shot First]

KainD wrote...

MCS Shootist wrote...

That were LUCKY enough to get away from the invasion. Being able to get off planet is not so easy as it sounds. For all the ones that made it to the citadel, there were prolly five times as many who got obliterated in the atmosphere.

That's nice, but as I said Morinth is a lot more capable than all those refugees, thus you can account with skill for luck. It's a lot easier to get away when you are capable of killing a dozen of Bruts and what not. 

We also have to keep in mind however that lorewise biotics aren't able to spam abilities indefinitely. Eventually they become exhausted and can no longer function. This fact is often overlooked because it isn't a factor in gameplay, and within the story we only see it once with Liara on Therum, and afterwards is only briefly mentioned by Jack and her students at Grissom Academy.

While Morinth would no doubt be capable of killing scores of Reaper mooks, eventually she's going to run out of steam and be as vulnerable as any non-biotic person. In the face of a Reaper invasion that might involve hundreds of thousands or even millions of troops, it isn't surprising that she eventually got captured. After all, she is just one person. What is one person against an army?

Modifié par Han Shot First, 13 mars 2013 - 01:54 .

[Xilizhra]

KainD wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Perhaps Cerberus told them? 

Told them what? Cerberus didn't even know I had Morinth on the ship. 
Other than that, I still think reapers visited specific places to harvest AY. I don't think they can sense them. 

They may have found out, as they did with the Shadow Broker's base.

[KainD]

Hadeedak wrote...

All it takes is bad luck.

Yeah, Bad luck Brian Morinth. <_<

[iamthedave3]

KainD wrote...

AstusOz wrote...

I'm still upset at Bioware for this.

I am more pissed than upset really. 

Would have loved to get Morinth at the Citadel party

[KainD]

Han Shot First wrote...

While Morinth would no doubt be capable of killing scores of Reaper mooks, eventually she's going to run out of steam and be as vulnerable as any non-biotic person. In the face of a Reaper invasion that might involve hundreds of thousands or even millions of troops, it isn't surprising that she eventually got captured. After all, she is just one person. What is one person against an army?

As I said it is the most problem for me to see how she got into that no escape situation in the first place. 
Morinth is an expert at hidind and mobility with combat skills to support her in time escape. 

[KainD]

iamthedave3 wrote...

Would have loved to get Morinth at the Citadel party

I would pay 100$ for that and the deleted banshee scene. 

[iamthedave3]

Deleted banshee scene?

[Wayning_Star]

KainD wrote...

iamthedave3 wrote...

Would have loved to get Morinth at the Citadel party

I would pay 100$ for that and the deleted banshee scene. 

yeah, we could 'sick' her on the clwoneshep's girlfriend.

[KainD]

iamthedave3 wrote...

Deleted banshee scene?

No "Morinth" Banshee on earth I meant. 

[ChrisDV]

MCS Shootist wrote...

I think one thing people forget is Shepard and crew can move around the galaxy with impunity because they have a fast stealth ship. Morinth's a very smart girl, sure, but it just takes one mistake or bit of bad luck and she could easily get stuck on a planet being attacked by the reapers, and at that point its only a matter of time. She'd be hard pressed to find a way off planet, and even if she made it, for that ship to outrun the reapers and make it to another system. And if they actually found out she was on the planet and actively hunted her, its well nigh impossible for her to last for very long. 

Sure, she's supposedly as powerful as her mom, but she's also a serial killer. Her usual MO is to beguile her opponents, and then strike when their defenses are down. One could argue that the collector mission showed she could fight as hard as her mom if pressed. But even then, how many people could she really take on? Several dozen? A planetary reaper invasion force prolly has millions, with their numbers growing stronger as they indoctrinate the population. With no way to get off planet, she'll be overwhelmed eventually. The PTSD Asari who killed Joker's family, she lasted a couple of weeks, sure, but she was also eventually picked up by Asari forces. Morinth has no friends or allies to speak of to find and rescue her.

As for, "shouldn't she be smart enough to run somewhere far away from the Reapers?" Sure, but again, she's also a serial killer. She can't not hunt, those urges are too strong, she would never be able so stay in some remote isolated location for very long. She'd have to go to a place with a sizable population, which would also be the kinda place the Reapers would attack. Could you see her hiding out in some small, podunk colony? And if she did manage to stomach it, how long before she attacked someone and got discovered, presenting a whole different set of problems and forcing her to flee?

Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

[Han Shot First]

KainD wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

While Morinth would no doubt be capable of killing scores of Reaper mooks, eventually she's going to run out of steam and be as vulnerable as any non-biotic person. In the face of a Reaper invasion that might involve hundreds of thousands or even millions of troops, it isn't surprising that she eventually got captured. After all, she is just one person. What is one person against an army?

As I said it is the most problem for me to see how she got into that no escape situation in the first place. 
Morinth is an expert at hidind and mobility with combat skills to support her in time escape. 

Morinth being in a situation where she couldn't escape isn't far-fetched at all. Shepard only escaped Earth because had the Normandy, a fast stealth ship, nearby to rescue him. Otherwise he would have been trapped in Vancouver.

Morinth isn't in the military and also doesn't own her own ship. In Samara's mission we learn that she got to Omega as a passenger on a freighter. Presumably she would have also arrived at whatever world she was later captured on by similar means. Without her own ship, it isn't surprising that she could have became trapped. She'd then be relying on the kindness of strangers to escape, and that is even ignoring for a moment that one of the Reaper's first orders of business is likely destroying space ports and any groundside military and civilian craft capable of fleeing a planet they are invading. Getting space aboard a surviving ship that was fleeing would be difficult.

But lets say Morinth beats the odds and does make it aboard some civilian craft that escapes the planet as the Reapers invade. That craft then still has to make it to a relay, which would not be an easy task for any ship lacking the Normandy's speed or stealth ability. Of course some ships succeed in doing exactly that, as some refugees do make it to the Citadel. But I think it is reasonable assume that all ships that manage to flee a planet do not make it to a relay. The Reapers would be quite capable in running down a good percentage of them. So even if Morinth makes it aboard a craft that manages to flee a planet being invaded by the Reapers, she still has to rely on luck that the ship she is on won't be run down by faster Reaper ships.

What happens if Morinth is on a ship that manages to escape a planet, only to be disabled by a Reaper before it could reach the relay? Now floating helplessly through the void, that ship and its survivors would be entirely at the mercy of the Reapers. What happens if a Reaper 'docks' with that disabled ship and starts disembarking troops? The only 'escape' from indoctrination or being turned into some kind of Reaper husk would be through death.

[KainD]

Wayning_Star wrote...

yeah, we could 'sick' her on the clwoneshep's girlfriend.

Or we could invite the council for a meeting, and invite Morinth, next thing you know, they all suddenly agree that Earth needs help right NOW. 

[Kel Riever]

OP:  Go do the writer's job for them and use your 'imagination.'

Don't forget to send BioWare the bill.

Modifié par Kel Riever, 13 mars 2013 - 02:15 .