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[Wayning_Star]

KainD wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

yeah, we could 'sick' her on the clwoneshep's girlfriend.

Or we could invite the council for a meeting, and invite Morinth, next thing you know, they all suddenly agree that Earth needs help right NOW. 

no.. I don't think they'd make it past the meeting...ulp.

[KainD]

@Han Shot First, alright, so why didn't Morinth contact Shepard, like other people that needed help?

[KainD]

Wayning_Star wrote...

KainD wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

yeah, we could 'sick' her on the clwoneshep's girlfriend.

Or we could invite the council for a meeting, and invite Morinth, next thing you know, they all suddenly agree that Earth needs help right NOW. 

no.. I don't think they'd make it past the meeting...ulp.

Nah, Shepard would ask nicely and they would. 

[Wayning_Star]

KainD wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

KainD wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

yeah, we could 'sick' her on the clwoneshep's girlfriend.

Or we could invite the council for a meeting, and invite Morinth, next thing you know, they all suddenly agree that Earth needs help right NOW. 

no.. I don't think they'd make it past the meeting...ulp.

Nah, Shepard would ask nicely and they would. 

not after... lunch.

[Han Shot First]

KainD wrote...

@Han Shot First, alright, so why didn't Morinth contact Shepard, like other people that needed help?

Shepard may have been a prisoner when the world Morinth was on was invaded.

Remember that many planets were invaded prior to Earth out in the Terminus, and Illium at the very least would have been attacked at around the same time if not before, since once of the first news story you overhear is about Illium being invaded.

Also even if Morinth was on a planet that was invaded after Earth, she'd still need access to some form of communication to even get in touch with Shepard, which may not have been an option. Many parts of the galaxy went dark after being invaded, since the Reapers sever communications. It is noted that the fate of some of Earth's nations is unknown because after the planet's fall, no QEC were located in the nations in question. Quantum Entanglement Communicators are the only means of communication that the Reapers cannot cut, and are still 'new' technology and exceedingly rare in the era the Reaper invasion is set in. You certainly wouldn't find Quantum Entanglement Communicators in civilian apartment complexes or aboard anything but the most high tech of military vessels. (like the Normandy)

[cerberus1701]

KainD wrote...

Gangnam Style wrote...

someone in this thread is greatly exaggerating how powerful morinth is

Not at all, easily the strongest biotic to ever set foot on the Normandy, except for Samara, who was her equal. 
Also not a dumb person either. 

I dunno...Shep baited her pretty easily.

She is smart, but that hunger no doubt can make her do REALLY dumb things.

[Pathetisad]

Most likely she went back to Omega and when Cerberus took it handed her over

[Scowlyface]

KainD wrote...

How did she end up as a Banshee on earth? I can't think of a believable situation. 

She didn't visit the monastery, the actual place where reapers harvested Ardat-Yakashi. 
She is one of the strongest biotics in the galaxy, on par with Samara, it would take quite the reaper force to take her down, ( Multiplayer 11 wave solo kind of force, if not more). 
Likely not very vulnurable to indoctrination, has a strong mind. 

It's like she deliberately went to fight countless reaper forces somewhere ( like on earth for example ) head on, until she was defeated. 

Anyone has any believable theories of how she became a banshee? 

judging by the email she sends shepard I got the impression that she was on earth or aleast alliance space when she sneaks off the normandy. she also refuses to disclose the city she is in because she knows shepard is with the alliance again, why would they go hunting for her unless she was on earth?

my guess is she went to earth with the normandy, sneaks off because earth is basically disneyland for a Ardat-Yakashi like her, but then the reapers attacked and she could get off planet in time.

[Wayning_Star]

oh crap, now I know why I couldn't place morinth.. samera does her in on my playthroughs.. I didn't even know I could stop it..duh!

[Han Shot First]

Wayning_Star wrote...

oh crap, now I know why I couldn't place morinth.. samera does her in on my playthroughs.. I didn't even know I could stop it..duh!

In order to save Morinth Shepard has to pass a paragon/renegade check to resist Morinth's attempts to mentally dominate him. If you don't pass that check Shepard falls under Morinth's spell and has to be rescued by Samara, and the option to save Morinth is never on the table. If Shepard passes the paragade/renegade check however there is an option to choose Morinth over Samara when they have their little confrontation.

I've personally never saved Morinth on any of my playthroughs however. I could never find an in character justfication for it, as she is pretty much a mental defect who just tried to murder Shepard. Oh, and mustache-twirling evil.

[BLAHBLUE2001]

I am only guessing. But I feel that Morinth was killed off simply because she wasn't popular. I never chose her myself, but I think that anyone who liked the character should have had a chance at having some interactions. They could have been lazy and just used her in the same places they used Samara. Morinth fans got shafted.

Imagine the uproar if a character like Miranda was killed off screen like Morinth. Mirimancers would have shut down all of BSN

[Han Shot First]

BLAHBLUE2001 wrote...

I am only guessing. But I feel that Morinth was killed off simply because she wasn't popular. I never chose her myself, but I think that anyone who liked the character should have had a chance at having some interactions. They could have been lazy and just used her in the same places they used Samara. Morinth fans got shafted.

Imagine the uproar if a character like Miranda was killed off screen like Morinth. Mirimancers would have shut down all of BSN

That is certainly the out-of-game reason for Morinth being killed off.

Very few people ever recruited Morinth, so Bioware simply decided not to bother with her for ME3. But her being captured and turned into a Reaper abomination isn't implausible, even if it sucks for fans of that character.

[Venom man4]

Morinth to me was a character that Bioware didn't have much interest in from the start. I feel she was built from the ground up a villain and it wasn't until the end that someone thought ''hey what if the player likes Morinth over Samara?'' So they made Morinth a squadmate, but even then she had to pretend to be her mom. Shepard couldn't of just brought her on board as is. So when ME3 they realized that some people may of had Morinth, easy solution is to have her fall to the Reapers.

Sad cause some people liked her but that is how I saw her character unfold.

Modifié par Venom man4, 13 mars 2013 - 05:01 .

[Ownedbacon]

Han Shot First wrote...

BLAHBLUE2001 wrote...

I am only guessing. But I feel that Morinth was killed off simply because she wasn't popular. I never chose her myself, but I think that anyone who liked the character should have had a chance at having some interactions. They could have been lazy and just used her in the same places they used Samara. Morinth fans got shafted.

Imagine the uproar if a character like Miranda was killed off screen like Morinth. Mirimancers would have shut down all of BSN

That is certainly the out-of-game reason for Morinth being killed off.

Very few people ever recruited Morinth, so Bioware simply decided not to bother with her for ME3. But her being captured and turned into a Reaper abomination isn't implausible, even if it sucks for fans of that character.

The problem with this is people who would replay the games would pick her (I picked her with my renegade playthrough), but what point is there to do so now? Even if people didn't pick her as much in ME2 initially they probably would have in additional playthroughs. They will be less inclined to pick her anymore now that there is no Morinth content in ME3. Personally I would have rather seen Morinth, Kal Reegar, and a talking Harbinger instead of Kai Leng and Diana Allers.

[BLAHBLUE2001]

I completely agree with you Ownedbacon. Why characters like Emily Wong, Kal Reegar, and Morinth were out and we got Allers and the space ninja is beyond me.

[KwangtungTiger]

Twitter........

[KwangtungTiger]

BLAHBLUE2001 wrote...

I completely agree with you Ownedbacon. Why characters like Emily Wong, Kal Reegar, and Morinth were out and we got Allers and the space ninja is beyond me.

Sings the tune, " Money, Money, Money, Money............MONEY!";)

[BLAHBLUE2001]

KwangtungTiger wrote...

BLAHBLUE2001 wrote...

I completely agree with you Ownedbacon. Why characters like Emily Wong, Kal Reegar, and Morinth were out and we got Allers and the space ninja is beyond me.

Sings the tune, " Money, Money, Money, Money............MONEY!";)

Maybe for Allers... She basically an advertisement you can bang if your Shepard is into that.., but the space ninja? Ugh such wasted potential 

[ForThessia]

It has nothing to do with Morinth as a character. It's about Bioware being lazy and spending 5 minutes total on her character in ME3

[Fenrisfil]

On the technical side, what I am assuming is that there was basically some decisions early on about character inclusions. Bioware obviously wanted to introduce some new characters (perhaps partially for players newer to the genre, like those on the Wii as you'd have to assume that was planned in the dev stage) and there were a number of characters that were either minor or potentially dead that were always going to be on the fringe.

Time and budget constraints meant that some had to be eliminated. Morinth was the least likely companion to survive in ME2 (as most players would likely side with Samara) and unlike all the others (save for Samara) she is likely to be dead in a successful, "optimal" playthrough (rather then those that only die if you mess up). Plus of course she can't be a LI without a critical mission failure. So she was cut along with popular, but minor characters like Wong and Reegar. They were instead reduced to emails and a named Cain fodder Banshee.

I am certain Bioware knew it would annoy people, but probably felt it was a reasonable sacrifice. Personally I was more disappointed with Wong and Reegars off screen deaths (Bioware missed a great opportunity go give Wong a little cameo with the Anderson interview IMHO), than how they treated Morinth, but then I killed her. Lol.

I do however think they could have done a better job of her demise and appearance as a Banshee. Why not give her a little redemption? She could have told Shepard she was going to Thessia to help fight off the Reapers and then turn up as a Banshee in that mission at least it would have made a bit of sense and still not require any extra dialogue recording.

Anyway, as for theoretical story justification. As she seemed to like the more lawless places in the galaxy (easier to get away with her murders) perhaps she was in Batarian space when it was hit in the first wave of the Reaper attacks. It would have been the biggest Reaper force outside of the final battle as it was their arrival point, not hard to imagine her being taken down amongst that. Of course that is assuming her email was sent prior to the start of ME3 and turned up later.

Modifié par Fenrisfil, 13 mars 2013 - 06:54 .

[MegaSovereign]

She got hungry. Stopped for noodles.

[Ownedbacon]

MegaSovereign wrote...

She got hungry. Stopped for noodles.

Ramen! ...its no longer just a delicacy on Earth.

[Tracer01]

I completely agree with you Ownedbacon. Why characters like Emily Wong, Kal Reegar, and Morinth were out and we got Allers and the space ninja is beyond me.

I think, a lot of gamers could spend another thousand of BW
points for DLC with Kal Reegar...especially, if he'd promised to "tear Joker a new ****" in one of the dialogs...alas, we may consider it a missed opportunity.

[TSA_383]

MCS Shootist wrote...

I think one thing people forget is Shepard and crew can move around the galaxy with impunity because they have a fast stealth ship. Morinth's a very smart girl, sure, but it just takes one mistake or bit of bad luck and she could easily get stuck on a planet being attacked by the reapers, and at that point its only a matter of time. She'd be hard pressed to find a way off planet, and even if she made it, for that ship to outrun the reapers and make it to another system. And if they actually found out she was on the planet and actively hunted her, its well nigh impossible for her to last for very long.

Sure, she's supposedly as powerful as her mom, but she's also a serial killer. Her usual MO is to beguile her opponents, and then strike when their defenses are down. One could argue that the collector mission showed she could fight as hard as her mom if pressed. But even then, how many people could she really take on? Several dozen? A planetary reaper invasion force prolly has millions, with their numbers growing stronger as they indoctrinate the population. With no way to get off planet, she'll be overwhelmed eventually. The PTSD Asari who killed Joker's family, she lasted a couple of weeks, sure, but she was also eventually picked up by Asari forces. Morinth has no friends or allies to speak of to find and rescue her.

As for, "shouldn't she be smart enough to run somewhere far away from the Reapers?" Sure, but again, she's also a serial killer. She can't not hunt, those urges are too strong, she would never be able so stay in some remote isolated location for very long. She'd have to go to a place with a sizable population, which would also be the kinda place the Reapers would attack. Could you see her hiding out in some small, podunk colony? And if she did manage to stomach it, how long before she attacked someone and got discovered, presenting a whole different set of problems and forcing her to flee?

Let's not pretend this happens for logical reasons.
Let's realise that her character got cut, and the Morinth banshee is basically just an easter-egg...

[Clayless]

Because she's one person in a galaxy where people are getting harvested in the billions?

What is she going to do? Magic herself a ship or teleport off the planet?