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[-GDL Dragneel-]

I try to make it so that my teammates are behind the banshee or other boss unit I guess that is just the years of playing mmos coming through, always face the boss away from the damage dealers. However, 90% of my teammates don't understand this and then run behind me to fight it....

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Creature0fHabit wrote...

Then use a smaller sized shield. How am I supposed to get right hand advantage when it's being blocked by cover or in a doorway? Kill the mooks? Sure after I destroy the shield that's blocking my fire...wow some people.

I have 3 ranks in Hex Shield, so... it doesn't get smaller.

And your first point was about using the Hex Shield against bosses, which was what I addressed.

And Right Hand Advantage works regardless of the size of the object, it is not a size-dependent mechanic.

And you are clearly not interested in advice.

Bye! 

[Creature0fHabit]

Dobbysaurus wrote...

I'll do as I please, whether anyone likes it or not.

Glad to see your a team player

[BjornDaDwarf]

Asking randoms to play smart...that always works.

[Olivia Wilde]

I rarely use the Hex Shield anyways

[billy the squid]

Creature0fHabit wrote...

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Sorry, OP, but I'm not going to stop doing that.

The shield blocks the Banshee Warp Ball. I do the same thing to Atlases, Scions, Praetorians, and, now that it will work, Geth Primes.

You should be using Right Hand Advantage with Juggys. Either around the Hex Shield, or around the Juggy, himself, if he is standing behind it.

I play with Juggys regularly, and when one puts up a Shield to lock down a Boss, I appreciate it, because they're simultaneously protecting us from ranged fire, and synch-kills.

Banshees and Praetorians will typically switch to Melee in that situation, so it can be redundant, but if you have to kite backwards as a Juggy to avoid getting overwhelmed, seeing an Atlas shot/Banshee ball that would have killed you bounce of the Hex Shield is a relief.

(Just in case, Right Hand Advantage is when you shoot around the right side of an object, and it allows you to use that object to block enemy shots while you, yourself can still hit.)

And when a Juggy is locking down a boss, you shouldn't be shooting the boss, anyway, you should be taking that opportunity to kill the mooks, or use crowd-control attacks. The exception might be a Praetorian, who can still stunlock a Juggy to death, if they are taking damage from multiple sources, or get stuck up against an object.

Good luck with your next Juggy Pug! 

Then use a smaller sized shield. How am I supposed to get right hand advantage when it's being blocked by cover or in a doorway? Kill the mooks? Sure after I destroy the shield that's blocking my fire...wow some people.

Quit your Jibber jabber scrub. Failure to understand right hand advantage and the shape of the large Hex shield precludes you from elite status, be gone, peasant. 

[Auras_Mendalla]

FranksterJF wrote...

I don't even spec into shields. I spec for siege shot and turret.

[Doctor Proctor]

There's basically two scenarios when a Jugg drops his shield on a Banshee.

1) The Banshee is the only enemy left in the wave.
2) The Banshee is one of many units left in the wave.

In scenario 1, the Jugg probably doesn't even need the shield because the Banshee will get dropped very quickly. Even if he does have his shield out (either for Warp ball protection, extra DPS or setting up Tech Bursts) then it's very easy to get around and fire on the Banshee from a different angle, since she's the only one on the map at that point.

In scenario 2, the Jugg probbaly has his shield for the aforementioned reasons (either for Warp ball protection, extra DPS or setting up Tech Bursts) as well as to protect from random fire from mooks. Even something as lowly as a few Marauders can really drain your shields if there's enough of them, or they're backed up by a Ravager or two.

In this case, why are you concentrating your fire on the one enemy who is no longer a threat? The Banshee is locked down at that point in a duel to the death with the Jugg, which she will lose. How about shooting at the Ravagers/Marauders that are DPSing down the Jugg's shield? Sure, the shield might be blocking your line of fire on them as well, but you can just go around and come from a different angle...either by skirting around the Banshee (who usually won't grab anyone since she's agroed onto the Jugg) or by flanking them from a different part of the map.

I mean, the OP talks about PUG Jugg not strategizing here, but what is the OP doing? This is the equivalent of the people that snipe glowing blue targets constantly! FYI, in case you didn't know, they're glowing blue due to a biotic effect such as Warp. Usually that means that there's someone getting ready to follow that up with a detonator for a biotic explosion. If you snipe that guy instead of the non-glowing dude next to him, then you're basically trolling the biotic trying to set up BE's on your team.

PUG strategy goes both ways...don't always blame the Jugg.

[Kirrahe Airlines CEO]

You do know if you have a piercing mod (or an HVB, shredder mod) or drill and ap ammo you can still shoot through the shield. Since I usually have one on, this doesn't affect me in the slightest.

[billy the squid]

The Krauser wrote...

You do know if you have a piercing mod (or an HVB, shredder mod) or drill and ap ammo you can still shoot through the shield. Since I usually have one on, this doesn't affect me in the slightest.

It really does. It counts as cover so your weapons are hitting with reduced damage. And if the Jugger has put it up to avoid incoming fire, you can be sure he's going to do the same again once it goes down.

[flibber89-2]

I understand both sides.. I've been frusturated in the halls of FBW while a shield spans the entire entrance, but you just have to deal with it... I sure don't complain when the same shield is covering my arse on a device or when the synch killing machines in this game are rendered impotent by my friend the juggernaut.

[UKStory135]

I thought the shield was mainly used to lower the cooldown of the Darth Vader Grip. Also Ravagers are enemy #1 for Juggernauts, so it's smart for them to pop their shields if it's team mates can kill the ravagers fast enough.

[lauraborababy]

As long as it isn't blocking a doorway I don't really have a problem with a Juggernaut putting their shield up in front of an enemy. Most of the time when in a match with friends they are just doing it to help the team out.

[Kalas Magnus]

if they keep doing it i usually stop playing or run to other side and let him die

annoying

[Wardreamer]

Um, did piercing mods stop working against the hex shield or something?

[OniAngel]

I usually try to not block team mates. Often there is a spot where others can shoot from. If I shield in front of a banshee than I am likely doing it to keep myself from being killed from ranged. Go and kill the things that are deadly to the jug while the jug distracts the things that are deadly to you. Pretorians I will always try to shield and get out of mele.

[Credit2team]

I usually put the shield on top of/inside banshees since their warp doesn't do serious damage to me and they take extra damage from being in the shield. with atlases scions and primes I need the protection, but I only use the small shield so it shouldn't be TOO had to shoot around.

[UEG Donkey]

Another thing I use the small shield and most of the time half of the shield is inside the left wall. I need the shield up to increase damage and to guard my front or left side

[Bendigoe]

Um, why don't you move a little to the right.
If you can't do that go and do something else whilst I'm drawing the Banshee's aggro and/or blocking her Warp balls from hitting you.
Really OP the only situation where this could be a problem is Gold/Platinum, and there's an abundance of other enemies you could be focusing on.

[TODD 5184]

I have to agree with Jeremiah. OP, you got it all wrong.

That shield does damage over time and blocks additional damage that could be threatening to the Juggernaut. Find something else to shoot, or bring AP of some sort, or get a different angle.

I swear... BSN Noobs.

[upinya slayin]

Creature0fHabit wrote...

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Sorry, OP, but I'm not going to stop doing that.

The shield blocks the Banshee Warp Ball. I do the same thing to Atlases, Scions, Praetorians, and, now that it will work, Geth Primes.

You should be using Right Hand Advantage with Juggys. Either around the Hex Shield, or around the Juggy, himself, if he is standing behind it.

I play with Juggys regularly, and when one puts up a Shield to lock down a Boss, I appreciate it, because they're simultaneously protecting us from ranged fire, and synch-kills.

Banshees and Praetorians will typically switch to Melee in that situation, so it can be redundant, but if you have to kite backwards as a Juggy to avoid getting overwhelmed, seeing an Atlas shot/Banshee ball that would have killed you bounce of the Hex Shield is a relief.

(Just in case, Right Hand Advantage is when you shoot around the right side of an object, and it allows you to use that object to block enemy shots while you, yourself can still hit.)

And when a Juggy is locking down a boss, you shouldn't be shooting the boss, anyway, you should be taking that opportunity to kill the mooks, or use crowd-control attacks. The exception might be a Praetorian, who can still stunlock a Juggy to death, if they are taking damage from multiple sources, or get stuck up against an object.

Good luck with your next Juggy Pug! 

Then use a smaller sized shield. How am I supposed to get right hand advantage when it's being blocked by cover or in a doorway? Kill the mooks? Sure after I destroy the shield that's blocking my fire...wow some people.

you cuold just you know l2p?
in a co-op MP game conditions will never be ideal to you and your style of playing. its an age old problem with MP games since the begining of time, one person doing something that annoys another person. its all part of games and complaining about it isn't gonna help.:innocent:

[BjornDaDwarf]

Doctor Proctor wrote...

There's basically two scenarios when a Jugg drops his shield on a Banshee.

1) The Banshee is the only enemy left in the wave.
2) The Banshee is one of many units left in the wave.

In scenario 1, the Jugg probably doesn't even need the shield because the Banshee will get dropped very quickly. Even if he does have his shield out (either for Warp ball protection, extra DPS or setting up Tech Bursts) then it's very easy to get around and fire on the Banshee from a different angle, since she's the only one on the map at that point.

In scenario 2, the Jugg probbaly has his shield for the aforementioned reasons (either for Warp ball protection, extra DPS or setting up Tech Bursts) as well as to protect from random fire from mooks. Even something as lowly as a few Marauders can really drain your shields if there's enough of them, or they're backed up by a Ravager or two.

In this case, why are you concentrating your fire on the one enemy who is no longer a threat? The Banshee is locked down at that point in a duel to the death with the Jugg, which she will lose. How about shooting at the Ravagers/Marauders that are DPSing down the Jugg's shield? Sure, the shield might be blocking your line of fire on them as well, but you can just go around and come from a different angle...either by skirting around the Banshee (who usually won't grab anyone since she's agroed onto the Jugg) or by flanking them from a different part of the map.

I mean, the OP talks about PUG Jugg not strategizing here, but what is the OP doing? This is the equivalent of the people that snipe glowing blue targets constantly! FYI, in case you didn't know, they're glowing blue due to a biotic effect such as Warp. Usually that means that there's someone getting ready to follow that up with a detonator for a biotic explosion. If you snipe that guy instead of the non-glowing dude next to him, then you're basically trolling the biotic trying to set up BE's on your team.

PUG strategy goes both ways...don't always blame the Jugg.

You're using logic and considering the situation reasonably.  

Unfortunately these are not qualities held in high regard here. 

[Noahsun]

Wardreamer wrote...

Um, did piercing mods stop working against the hex shield or something?

[BjornDaDwarf]

Noahsun wrote...

Wardreamer wrote...

Um, did piercing mods stop working against the hex shield or something?

To be fair, you're losing 40 percent of your damage unless you've got a Crusader, Widow, BW, Javelin or Execution equipped.