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[Badpanzer]

I dont use the trollshield,so I max out everything else.

[OperationDUMBO]

Why are you standing behind the Juggernaut anyway?

[Elecbender]

No.

Its MY kill.

Go find your own.

[Rancor Peen]

Ramsutin wrote...

What I think those kind of people think when they do that

this right after i put on my shades and say deal with it. its kind of hard to guess where the hell your team is going to be doing their damage because of them consistantly running around you, dont get me wrong ill drop my shield away from their fire but 9/10 its going to be shot by someone.

[Toxic Waste]

I play Jugs a lot. I used to throw my shields up like that...until I realized that not only could my team mates not hit whatever it was I was fighting, but neither could I. And I like to use my Siege Pulse. So now I just go up to (lets say) a banshee and keep her from moving as much as I can. And as I am doing this I am hoping that the team is taking advantage and hitting her with the strongest weapon they have.
Other then that I only use my shields when I start getting bombarded (cerberus turrets, geth rocket troopers, ect..) or to protect myself or team members who are doing an objective.

[Tallgeese_VII]

I don`t care.

I put up shield just to eleminate the delay between each heavy melee.

My shield is not the large evolution one, so feel free to shoot around it or through it.

[RealTerminal]

Creature0fHabit wrote...

 I had to post this because it's happening a lot. Were taking on a banshee and the Jugg runs up to take agro. He immediately throws up his giant shield right in front of her and starts a heavy melee. Now we have to shoot HIS shield out before even hitting the banshee. 
This happens contently with randoms, when you have a team you can explain it and they understand whats going on but randoms wont listen, in fact they do it more because they think it's funny.
I don't like kicking people out of rooms but throwing up a huge shield every chance you get which provides 0 cover and gives the enemy more shields will win you a red X. Throw that bad boy on your flank or provide cover on a doorway. Don't block the doorway with it just off to the side to leave an opening for shots.  

Was one of the Juggernauts me? because I got it for the first time last night and proceeded to have to horrible matches with it, trying to get used to him. 

[Doctor Proctor]

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

Doctor Proctor wrote...

There's basically two scenarios when a Jugg drops his shield on a Banshee.

1) The Banshee is the only enemy left in the wave.
2) The Banshee is one of many units left in the wave.

In scenario 1, the Jugg probably doesn't even need the shield because the Banshee will get dropped very quickly. Even if he does have his shield out (either for Warp ball protection, extra DPS or setting up Tech Bursts) then it's very easy to get around and fire on the Banshee from a different angle, since she's the only one on the map at that point.

In scenario 2, the Jugg probbaly has his shield for the aforementioned reasons (either for Warp ball protection, extra DPS or setting up Tech Bursts) as well as to protect from random fire from mooks. Even something as lowly as a few Marauders can really drain your shields if there's enough of them, or they're backed up by a Ravager or two.

In this case, why are you concentrating your fire on the one enemy who is no longer a threat? The Banshee is locked down at that point in a duel to the death with the Jugg, which she will lose. How about shooting at the Ravagers/Marauders that are DPSing down the Jugg's shield? Sure, the shield might be blocking your line of fire on them as well, but you can just go around and come from a different angle...either by skirting around the Banshee (who usually won't grab anyone since she's agroed onto the Jugg) or by flanking them from a different part of the map.

I mean, the OP talks about PUG Jugg not strategizing here, but what is the OP doing? This is the equivalent of the people that snipe glowing blue targets constantly! FYI, in case you didn't know, they're glowing blue due to a biotic effect such as Warp. Usually that means that there's someone getting ready to follow that up with a detonator for a biotic explosion. If you snipe that guy instead of the non-glowing dude next to him, then you're basically trolling the biotic trying to set up BE's on your team.

PUG strategy goes both ways...don't always blame the Jugg.

You're using logic and considering the situation reasonably.  

Unfortunately these are not qualities held in high regard here. 

Oh, sorry, I forgot.

Ahem...l2p n00bsauce! When I do plat speedruns with my level 1 Jugg and Avenger X equipped I drop the shield wherever I want cuz I'm awesome!

Is that better?

[-Sxx-]

No I won't stop doing that at all. I'm keeping the enemy focused on me and providing possible frontal cover in the process while I heal or whatever. Go around or focus on something else. It's that simple. It's situational (i.e. don't do it all the time) but still, no. One single enemy? No shouldn't be using the shield but if there's multiple enemies, hell yes I'm doing to lay down that shield.

Modifié par -Sxx-, 13 mars 2013 - 09:02 .

[WaffleCrab]

just shoot the shields, then follow the jugg a minute or 2 and shoot all of hes shields.

[venom7196]

l really love how players can cry about almost anything...  harrier, arc pistol, acolyte, kishock, graal, eagle, volus, fury, shadow, vanguards, nova spam, flamethrower, consumables and equipment, kill stealing, not using mic, using mic, etc... and now it is juggers shield and his melee ability? really? whats next? it is so funny to read all this . it looks that you guys have more fun criticising  than playing the game and concentrating on your own part in match . 

Creature0fHabit : "I had to post this because it's happening a lot. Were taking on a
banshee and the Jugg runs up to take agro. He immediately throws up his
giant shield right in front of her and starts a heavy melee. Now we have
to shoot HIS shield out before even hitting the banshee."

little tip for you - you dont have to shoot the shield because you can MOVE your character, so you DONT HAVE to shoot the shield and you have nice clean view on that damned banshee.

DullahansXMark : "TrollShield, activate"

if you really feel that your teammate is trolling, dont play with him. its that easy and simple.

Modifié par venom7196, 13 mars 2013 - 09:26 .

[-Sxx-]

WaffleCrab wrote...

just shoot the shields, then follow the jugg a minute or 2 and shoot all of hes shields.

Yes. Definitely more effective than actually moving around the shield, through it or shooting something else... Jeez. <_<

[mybudgee]

You gonna cry about all those tech-bursts too??

I thought not

[Musketeer1970]

I'll often pop the large shield to minimize the fire from other enemies than the ones I am fighting. One banshee is no problem, neither are two. Two banshees, a couple brutes and some ravagers lobbing shots and that shield needs to be up, deal with it or even better, go kill those freaking ravagers while everyone else wails on me.

In close I will often throw it up behind the foe I am fighting is only for the shock damage.

I will try not to ruin my teammates shots but I have on occasion thrown it up over a doorway on White or Glacier to given my shields time to recharge and also mess up charging husks and the like who fry themselves running into it.

[jakenou]

I don't pop the shield out for bosses (doesn't make a ton of sense since it will be destroyed pretty quickly, and you're getting your shields replenished anyway - I only put 3 points into hex anyway), but when I am zapzapzap meleeing a boss I would hope my teammates will either; move around to the back side of the boss to help take it down while I distract it, or go get rid of all the nearby little guys while I hold the boss at bay.

[Drkr_Zen]

Yeah, I had one random Jugghead do that yesterday. Mind you, they were really good at taking aggro and consistantly made it a point to prioritize targets that affected the team more... i.e. Phantom > Banshee, etc., but they also consistantly threw up a Hex in the line of fire covering entire doorways. 

As another said, throw that thing up at our flank, where we're not, protect our asses... I'd only throw up a Hex in front of the party if there's a Ravager, Prime or heavy fire from a distance and even then I put it off to the left a bit to use as cover advantage. Besides its going to do a whole lot of nothin' for a Banshee. 

[upinya slayin]

jkthunder wrote...

I don't pop the shield out for bosses (doesn't make a ton of sense since it will be destroyed pretty quickly, and you're getting your shields replenished anyway - I only put 3 points into hex anyway), but when I am zapzapzap meleeing a boss I would hope my teammates will either; move around to the back side of the boss to help take it down while I distract it, or go get rid of all the nearby little guys while I hold the boss at bay.

i spec out of the turret personally. i go full tank and use the shield for sift cover. its great for bosses. epscially atlasses since it'll tank their miissile and a few bursts of their gun then you redeploy. w/o it you can't tank an atls w/o your melee. this way i can sustain fire on it.

also hey girl
(flirting mastery 25/100)

[Bat32391]

Couldn't you just move around? It seems like your making a bigger issue out of this then it should be.

[Fang92]

OP, you posted this on GameFAQs to didnt you?

[khannoir]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Sorry, OP, but I'm not going to stop doing that.

The shield blocks the Banshee Warp Ball. I do the same thing to Atlases, Scions, Praetorians, and, now that it will work, Geth Primes.

You should be using Right Hand Advantage with Juggys. Either around the Hex Shield, or around the Juggy, himself, if he is standing behind it.

I play with Juggys regularly, and when one puts up a Shield to lock down a Boss, I appreciate it, because they're simultaneously protecting us from ranged fire, and synch-kills.

Banshees and Praetorians will typically switch to Melee in that situation, so it can be redundant, but if you have to kite backwards as a Juggy to avoid getting overwhelmed, seeing an Atlas shot/Banshee ball that would have killed you bounce of the Hex Shield is a relief.

(Just in case, Right Hand Advantage is when you shoot around the right side of an object, and it allows you to use that object to block enemy shots while you, yourself can still hit.)

And when a Juggy is locking down a boss, you shouldn't be shooting the boss, anyway, you should be taking that opportunity to kill the mooks, or use crowd-control attacks. The exception might be a Praetorian, who can still stunlock a Juggy to death, if they are taking damage from multiple sources, or get stuck up against an object.

Good luck with your next Juggy Pug! 

[Kingston Atticus]

You know if you THINK you do not need the protection from the Jugg's shield you can just walk through it and face that huge mob he is holding back by yourself. Good luck with that though.

That should is there for not only YOUR protection but his as well. I spec mine for the pulse wave when it is placed and the shock damage/tech setup when walked through plus a big shield. If I am facing a banshee I put it up that way as soon as my heavy melee is done I can light melee and nock the mooks away from me and into that shield to electricute them and keep me from going down.

Also you CAN always stand between them and the sheild so only you take damage. That's fine with the juggernaughts. Plus that means if you go down near the shield it makes it easier for them to revive you without taking lots of fire while saving your score hungry butt.

The shield protects from projectiles and guardians bashing you since their shield is seen as a projectile for some reason. (it is fun to watch a guardian bounce off the hex shield) It can also hurt enemies and setup tech bursts. The small one is normally either because they only have a couple ranks in it or they took the evo choice to increase THEIR damage output when it's up. So that small shield may mean they WILL outscore you anyway because they are doing alot of extra bonus damage compared to you.

So you may consider the large shield that saves your butt inconsiderate, but what about that small shield that makes YOUR presence on the field obsolete?

All the damage bonuses and a high dps gun on the jug means him and the other 2 don't need YOU! A good Jugg who uses the shield efefectively with 2 other decent teammates helping out also means they don't need YOU! So remember if you try that vote kick, chances they will realize the Jugg was a better teammate and kick YOU instead!

[Kingston Atticus]

upinya slayin wrote...

jkthunder wrote...

I don't pop the shield out for bosses (doesn't make a ton of sense since it will be destroyed pretty quickly, and you're getting your shields replenished anyway - I only put 3 points into hex anyway), but when I am zapzapzap meleeing a boss I would hope my teammates will either; move around to the back side of the boss to help take it down while I distract it, or go get rid of all the nearby little guys while I hold the boss at bay.

i spec out of the turret personally. i go full tank and use the shield for sift cover. its great for bosses. epscially atlasses since it'll tank their miissile and a few bursts of their gun then you redeploy. w/o it you can't tank an atls w/o your melee. this way i can sustain fire on it.

also hey girl
(flirting mastery 25/100)

Exactly not like he can take cover, like all those who complain about his shield can.

[Hexi-decimal]

Not gonna lie, I do this so basically the only thing people can shoot at is the head lol.

[sandboxgod]

That Jeremiah12LGeek dude wrote a good post. Hm, points taken.