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[Jerramie]

I like slayin's answer. All I'm gonna say.

[Clips7]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Sorry, OP, but I'm not going to stop doing that.

The shield blocks the Banshee Warp Ball. I do the same thing to Atlases, Scions, Praetorians, and, now that it will work, Geth Primes.

You should be using Right Hand Advantage with Juggys. Either around the Hex Shield, or around the Juggy, himself, if he is standing behind it.

I play with Juggys regularly, and when one puts up a Shield to lock down a Boss, I appreciate it, because they're simultaneously protecting us from ranged fire, and synch-kills.

Banshees and Praetorians will typically switch to Melee in that situation, so it can be redundant, but if you have to kite backwards as a Juggy to avoid getting overwhelmed, seeing an Atlas shot/Banshee ball that would have killed you bounce of the Hex Shield is a relief.

(Just in case, Right Hand Advantage is when you shoot around the right side of an object, and it allows you to use that object to block enemy shots while you, yourself can still hit.)

And when a Juggy is locking down a boss, you shouldn't be shooting the boss, anyway, you should be taking that opportunity to kill the mooks, or use crowd-control attacks. The exception might be a Praetorian, who can still stunlock a Juggy to death, if they are taking damage from multiple sources, or get stuck up against an object.

Good luck with your next Juggy Pug! 

Yup... this pretty much....if the juggy has his shield up, i'll just shoot around him or if he's in a confined space where i can't shoot around him or shis shield, i'll just use powers to take out other enemies that are coming down the pike. Quite honestly tho, with the juggy it's very situational...if he has a boss where it's clear he's handling it on his own, i'll let him deal with it and kill other enemies, but if it's a praetorian, i may stick around and help him kill it...he's tough, but he's not invicible.

And that shield keeps blocks enemy shots and keeps other enemies at bay as well, so it's doing it's job in protecting the team...

[Catman Assuming Direct Control]

You're.

And It's his job to draw the aggro, let him be.

[templarphoenix]

Dat's why I skip the Hex "Epic Fail" Shield at all.

[EloreRainbrought]

I play jugg for a while, and have received some conplain about this situation from my friend. I respec the jugg without the hex shield for my friend agree to shoot ravager scion first instead of the boss unit that I am draining to maintain my shield.

so it is really depends on the situation. after this promote I will spec some point for the shield. as people like to aim the boss unit which the jugg draining which is not a good thing to do. for your play style I wont stop you from doing this though.

also scopion is the gun that benefits for the hex shield though. which I mostly use when there a teammate with jugg.

[why maker why]

EloreRainbrought wrote...

I respec the jugg without the hex shield for my friend agree to shoot ravager scion first instead of the boss unit that I am draining to maintain my shield.

How many times have I been the last one standing each wave playing Juggy because the other 3 dedicate their focus to the enemy I'm trying to drain and ignoring everything else shooting at them....

No please, don't worry about the posessed scions throwing grenades on my face or the 3 pyros surrounding me in a firey tunnel, please keep sniping at the banshee I'm painstakeningly trying to keep myself alive with, that can't even pose a threat to you.

[Dist0rt3d Hum0r]

Jeremiah12LGeek wrote...

Sorry, OP, but I'm not going to stop doing that.

The shield blocks the Banshee Warp Ball. I do the same thing to Atlases, Scions, Praetorians, and, now that it will work, Geth Primes.

You should be using Right Hand Advantage with Juggys. Either around the Hex Shield, or around the Juggy, himself, if he is standing behind it.

I play with Juggys regularly, and when one puts up a Shield to lock down a Boss, I appreciate it, because they're simultaneously protecting us from ranged fire, and synch-kills.

Banshees and Praetorians will typically switch to Melee in that situation, so it can be redundant, but if you have to kite backwards as a Juggy to avoid getting overwhelmed, seeing an Atlas shot/Banshee ball that would have killed you bounce of the Hex Shield is a relief.

(Just in case, Right Hand Advantage is when you shoot around the right side of an object, and it allows you to use that object to block enemy shots while you, yourself can still hit.)

And when a Juggy is locking down a boss, you shouldn't be shooting the boss, anyway, you should be taking that opportunity to kill the mooks, or use crowd-control attacks. The exception might be a Praetorian, who can still stunlock a Juggy to death, if they are taking damage from multiple sources, or get stuck up against an object.

Good luck with your next Juggy Pug! 

Omg I love you. Couldn't have said it better myself. <3

I can understand the OP being upset though, since there are a few "stupid juggs" out there that just throw the shield up without regard for where its going. I like to throw it up when im sync killing something and im taking fire from a distance, but I generally throw it behind whatever I'm locking down since I speced it for survivability rather than damage. That why my team can still shoot whatever im locking down if there arnt any little ****s around. 

And when a Juggy is locking down a boss, you shouldn't be shooting the boss, anyway, you should be taking that opportunity to kill the mooks, or use crowd-control attacks. The exception might be a Praetorian, who can still stunlock a Juggy to death, if they are taking damage from multiple sources, or get stuck up against an object.

Thank you for saying this. I can't tell you how often I've been put down because everyone focuses on the thing that im locking down isntead of the little ****s swinging at my knees. A lot of little guys do more damage to a jugg than one or two or even three bosses do, so FOR THE LOVE OF JESUS shoot the little guys at my knees. <_<

[inversevideo]

why maker why wrote...

EloreRainbrought wrote...

I respec the jugg without the hex shield for my friend agree to shoot ravager scion first instead of the boss unit that I am draining to maintain my shield.

How many times have I been the last one standing each wave playing Juggy because the other 3 dedicate their focus to the enemy I'm trying to drain and ignoring everything else shooting at them....

No please, don't worry about the posessed scions throwing grenades on my face or the 3 pyros surrounding me in a firey tunnel, please keep sniping at the banshee I'm painstakeningly trying to keep myself alive with, that can't even pose a threat to you.

Seems to be accepted practice, for many players, to compete to be the one to shoot that last bar of health, off the mook you been working, while ignoring all the other mooks closing in to gank us.

This holds true for any character, you are playing; you just make it more difficult for PUGs to do when your character is a juggernaut.

My advice, FWIW, let juggy do his job. Learn to work with juggy to hold the line.

[Arem1771]

I do it very often, and I don't hear people complaining when I do it on Gold. In fact, they prefer me to distract the Banshee so they can take it out while I keep it distracted with my Juggernaut. Everybody wins.

[Shermos]

I've done that shield thing myself, but only until I worked out that it blocks fire from both directions. The shield has its uses, but I'm getting more out of using the siege pulse with the turret.

Modifié par Shermos, 14 mars 2013 - 08:41 .

[WaffleCrab]

-Sxx- wrote...

WaffleCrab wrote...

just shoot the shields, then follow the jugg a minute or 2 and shoot all of hes shields.

Yes. Definitely more effective than actually moving around the shield, through it or shooting something else... Jeez. <_<

i find it to get the message accros more easily than a couple of words via voice com.

[ElementL09]

Majority of enemies, such as big bosses will get throught he shield, so there are plenty of oppurtunites to actually shoot the enemies he's occupying. Also I'm talking about the bigger shield.

Every time I put up a Hex Shield in front of me, enemies go through it, there are plenty of oppurtunites to shoot enemies who are being occupied by the jugger, you just have to wait for it, which shouldn't be a problem seeing as theres not much shooting you.

[Wolfsbladex]

Nydus Templar wrote...

That shield is their privacy screen, you're intruding on their special time.

Geth Juggernaut [Slam] Banshee.

New class unlocked. Gethshee.

Lol!

[78stonewobble]

Like others have allready mentioned.

The Jugg needs to replenish his shields so leave an enemy around him (preferably a boss like a banshee since they can be fed on for longer).

Prioritize mooks and ranged bosses, but especially the masses of geth bombers on platinum. Personally I can dodge around the nades of one or 2 bombers, but there are quite alot on platinum.

Phantoms can also be rather dangerous on platinum if the jugg is busy. They do quite alot of damage. Personally I try to grab phantom attention, but can't allways get them all since they're quite speedy. So watch out for one or 2 sneaking around me.

Also prime turrets, though small, are very dangeous. Now I know it doesn't help I throw my own shield turret into the mix, but still try to keep em down.

I've switched back to the small hexshield in my build. I'll still deploy it regularly for extra damage or to avoid ranged fire. If I put it infront of a boss I try to lure it through it so that the team can shoot at it.


That said... I wish my microphone was working so I could ... communicate -..-

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 14 mars 2013 - 08:52 .

[Sacrificial Bias]

From what I can tell, the shield doesn't block player powers, so my homing nades don't give a sh*t.

[Arppis]

He propably wanted to "dot" the Banshee for extra damage. The shield damages enemies who pass trough it.

[ToughReason]

OP, Smart used shield is a beast against Geth: stops grunts in their tracks, prime them for Tech Bursts and stagger them for a long time. Even Jugg need to get breath sometime.... but if you mentoned using HexShield bu itself, not just in bad position, feel free to kick me out of your lobby. No hard feelings
Anyway i don,t have any 4 ppl game with Jugg until now... but if sometime i want to roll Jugg in 4 ppl team, i want to use IT as i like, not as you say 

Modifié par ToughReason, 14 mars 2013 - 10:10 .

[Creature0fHabit]

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

Doctor Proctor wrote...

There's basically two scenarios when a Jugg drops his shield on a Banshee.

1) The Banshee is the only enemy left in the wave.
2) The Banshee is one of many units left in the wave.

In scenario 1, the Jugg probably doesn't even need the shield because the Banshee will get dropped very quickly. Even if he does have his shield out (either for Warp ball protection, extra DPS or setting up Tech Bursts) then it's very easy to get around and fire on the Banshee from a different angle, since she's the only one on the map at that point.

In scenario 2, the Jugg probbaly has his shield for the aforementioned reasons (either for Warp ball protection, extra DPS or setting up Tech Bursts) as well as to protect from random fire from mooks. Even something as lowly as a few Marauders can really drain your shields if there's enough of them, or they're backed up by a Ravager or two.

In this case, why are you concentrating your fire on the one enemy who is no longer a threat? The Banshee is locked down at that point in a duel to the death with the Jugg, which she will lose. How about shooting at the Ravagers/Marauders that are DPSing down the Jugg's shield? Sure, the shield might be blocking your line of fire on them as well, but you can just go around and come from a different angle...either by skirting around the Banshee (who usually won't grab anyone since she's agroed onto the Jugg) or by flanking them from a different part of the map.

I mean, the OP talks about PUG Jugg not strategizing here, but what is the OP doing? This is the equivalent of the people that snipe glowing blue targets constantly! FYI, in case you didn't know, they're glowing blue due to a biotic effect such as Warp. Usually that means that there's someone getting ready to follow that up with a detonator for a biotic explosion. If you snipe that guy instead of the non-glowing dude next to him, then you're basically trolling the biotic trying to set up BE's on your team.

PUG strategy goes both ways...don't always blame the Jugg.

You're using logic and considering the situation reasonably.  

Unfortunately these are not qualities held in high regard here. 

So true, no one is complaining but people on this forum like to put the word complain or noob into the equation. This thread was NOT created to explain to people who already understand ME3 mechanics how or what not to do. It was for weaker players who now can play on platinum and need to be aware of a situation and how to act accordingly on it.

I played a game with three friends and a random, I was a talon merc and no matter what enamy he was facing he put a giant shield up and he was in the lower doorway by extracton on FB glacier. Try shooting any of the mercs abilities through a shield. I had to just avoid him and so did my other teammates who were just as peeved. So we had to deal with the agro and he kept dying because he would only hold an area. 

I didn't create this for people to say that I'm complaining or that I don't know right hand advantage. I created it so people could put their feedback into the pool for positive solutions. Looks like the randoms that always ruin a game also do it in the forum.

Modifié par Creature0fHabit, 14 mars 2013 - 05:18 .

[Pugz82]

I hate the dame shield...I shoot it down every time a jugg puts it up in my way.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Creature0fHabit wrote...

So true, no one is complaining but people on this forum like to put the word complain or noob into the equation. This thread was NOT created to explain to people who already understand ME3 mechanics how or what not to do. It was for weaker players who now can play on platinum and need to be aware of a situation and how to act accordingly on it.

I played a game with three friends and a random, I was a talon merc and no matter what enamy he was facing he put a giant shield up and he was in the lower doorway by extracton on FB glacier. Try shooting any of the mercs abilities through a shield. I had to just avoid him and so did my other teammates who were just as peeved. So we had to deal with the agro and he kept dying because he would only hold an area. 

I didn't create this for people to say that I'm complaining or that I don't know right hand advantage. I created it so people could put their feedback into the pool for positive solutions. Looks like the randoms that always ruin a game also do it in the forum.

I re-read your first post.

And I'm confused, since it sounded like you were complaining about PuGs not knowing how to use Hex Shield. But some of what you said didn't make sense to me, and I had just been extracting successfully for a week straight on Platinum, using a Juggy.

It seemed to me that you were still figuring out how it works. Which is fine. That's why I, and several other, gave you advice about what to do when a Juggy is fighting a boss, something it's good for you to know. 

If the point was to explain how to play a Juggy on Platinum to new players, well... you gave bad tactical advice. And you're kinda compounding that bad advice be suggesting the more experienced players who've written in this thread are wrong, when they're actually not. I've played Gold and Platinum with a few of them, and I assure you, they know what they're talking about. Blocking doorways may not be so helpful, but using a Hex Shield to block bosses is.

And how do you and three friends play with a random?

Modifié par Jeremiah12LGeek, 14 mars 2013 - 06:27 .

[billy the squid]

Creature0fHabit wrote...

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

Doctor Proctor wrote...

There's basically two scenarios when a Jugg drops his shield on a Banshee.

1) The Banshee is the only enemy left in the wave.
2) The Banshee is one of many units left in the wave.

In scenario 1, the Jugg probably doesn't even need the shield because the Banshee will get dropped very quickly. Even if he does have his shield out (either for Warp ball protection, extra DPS or setting up Tech Bursts) then it's very easy to get around and fire on the Banshee from a different angle, since she's the only one on the map at that point.

In scenario 2, the Jugg probbaly has his shield for the aforementioned reasons (either for Warp ball protection, extra DPS or setting up Tech Bursts) as well as to protect from random fire from mooks. Even something as lowly as a few Marauders can really drain your shields if there's enough of them, or they're backed up by a Ravager or two.

In this case, why are you concentrating your fire on the one enemy who is no longer a threat? The Banshee is locked down at that point in a duel to the death with the Jugg, which she will lose. How about shooting at the Ravagers/Marauders that are DPSing down the Jugg's shield? Sure, the shield might be blocking your line of fire on them as well, but you can just go around and come from a different angle...either by skirting around the Banshee (who usually won't grab anyone since she's agroed onto the Jugg) or by flanking them from a different part of the map.

I mean, the OP talks about PUG Jugg not strategizing here, but what is the OP doing? This is the equivalent of the people that snipe glowing blue targets constantly! FYI, in case you didn't know, they're glowing blue due to a biotic effect such as Warp. Usually that means that there's someone getting ready to follow that up with a detonator for a biotic explosion. If you snipe that guy instead of the non-glowing dude next to him, then you're basically trolling the biotic trying to set up BE's on your team.

PUG strategy goes both ways...don't always blame the Jugg.

You're using logic and considering the situation reasonably.  

Unfortunately these are not qualities held in high regard here. 

So true, no one is complaining but people on this forum like to put the word complain or noob into the equation. This thread was NOT created to explain to people who already understand ME3 mechanics how or what not to do. It was for weaker players who now can play on platinum and need to be aware of a situation and how to act accordingly on it.

I played a game with three friends and a random, I was a talon merc and no matter what enamy he was facing he put a giant shield up and he was in the lower doorway by extracton on FB glacier. Try shooting any of the mercs abilities through a shield. I had to just avoid him and so did my other teammates who were just as peeved. So we had to deal with the agro and he kept dying because he would only hold an area. 

I didn't create this for people to say that I'm complaining or that I don't know right hand advantage. I created it so people could put their feedback into the pool for positive solutions. Looks like the randoms that always ruin a game also do it in the forum.

Riiiiight? No way you could put a trip mine behind the Hex so when the enemy inevitably walks through it to attack the Jugger, BOOM!


Edit:

It also sounds like you're the kind of player I've had to deal with when I use the Jugger on platinum. Low lvl players who haven't a clue how to take advantage of a Jugger on the team. The Jugger's purpose is to hold an area and attract as much aggro as possible, for the rest of the team to either kill the surrounding enemy or complete objectives. If you are complaining about his design, then it's a failure on your part to grasp his game play. 

I have the suspicion that you and your team ran round like a bunch of loons trying to spawn nuke (without using any missiles) while the Jugger tanked an entire spawn in the main hall, and inevitably got downed. 

Modifié par billy the squid, 14 mars 2013 - 06:35 .

[PrimoMexicano]

When i Jugg on plat, i swing around so im facing the banshee/atlas/scion/pratorian/prime with my shield in between me and my teamates. That way they can still shoot, and I can block the heavy fire directed at me

[Kaall]

Pugz82 wrote...

I hate the dame shield...I shoot it down every time a jugg puts it up in my way.

Juggernaut is less mobile than all kits,  if you are not mobile enough to get around a shield, then you clearly need to learn to play.

As for destroying one of the asset that makes a Juggernaut able to tank, distract the ennemy and buy you time to do a lot of DPS without having to worry too much about being downed or sync killed, it makes you a bad team mate, it makes your tank more vulnerable, and if he goes down because you were too egoist to make a single and simple move on the right to shoot the target, then you are a burden.

While you are focusing destroying the shields a jugg makes, you are actually weakening one of your team asset, while not doing any DPS, that means you are actually contributing more toward defeat than toward victory.

A player like you should be kicked if he does that all match long.

I do not say that juggs shoud not be aware of where they makes their shield pop, i am very cautious of where i make it pop when i play jugg, as i also specifically chose not to take the large shield to reduce the annoyance on team mates.

[Creature0fHabit]

billy the squid wrote...

Creature0fHabit wrote...

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

Doctor Proctor wrote...

There's basically two scenarios when a Jugg drops his shield on a Banshee.

1) The Banshee is the only enemy left in the wave.
2) The Banshee is one of many units left in the wave.

In scenario 1, the Jugg probably doesn't even need the shield because the Banshee will get dropped very quickly. Even if he does have his shield out (either for Warp ball protection, extra DPS or setting up Tech Bursts) then it's very easy to get around and fire on the Banshee from a different angle, since she's the only one on the map at that point.

In scenario 2, the Jugg probbaly has his shield for the aforementioned reasons (either for Warp ball protection, extra DPS or setting up Tech Bursts) as well as to protect from random fire from mooks. Even something as lowly as a few Marauders can really drain your shields if there's enough of them, or they're backed up by a Ravager or two.

In this case, why are you concentrating your fire on the one enemy who is no longer a threat? The Banshee is locked down at that point in a duel to the death with the Jugg, which she will lose. How about shooting at the Ravagers/Marauders that are DPSing down the Jugg's shield? Sure, the shield might be blocking your line of fire on them as well, but you can just go around and come from a different angle...either by skirting around the Banshee (who usually won't grab anyone since she's agroed onto the Jugg) or by flanking them from a different part of the map.

I mean, the OP talks about PUG Jugg not strategizing here, but what is the OP doing? This is the equivalent of the people that snipe glowing blue targets constantly! FYI, in case you didn't know, they're glowing blue due to a biotic effect such as Warp. Usually that means that there's someone getting ready to follow that up with a detonator for a biotic explosion. If you snipe that guy instead of the non-glowing dude next to him, then you're basically trolling the biotic trying to set up BE's on your team.

PUG strategy goes both ways...don't always blame the Jugg.

You're using logic and considering the situation reasonably.  

Unfortunately these are not qualities held in high regard here. 

So true, no one is complaining but people on this forum like to put the word complain or noob into the equation. This thread was NOT created to explain to people who already understand ME3 mechanics how or what not to do. It was for weaker players who now can play on platinum and need to be aware of a situation and how to act accordingly on it.

I played a game with three friends and a random, I was a talon merc and no matter what enamy he was facing he put a giant shield up and he was in the lower doorway by extracton on FB glacier. Try shooting any of the mercs abilities through a shield. I had to just avoid him and so did my other teammates who were just as peeved. So we had to deal with the agro and he kept dying because he would only hold an area. 

I didn't create this for people to say that I'm complaining or that I don't know right hand advantage. I created it so people could put their feedback into the pool for positive solutions. Looks like the randoms that always ruin a game also do it in the forum.

Riiiiight? No way you could put a trip mine behind the Hex so when the enemy inevitably walks through it to attack the Jugger, BOOM!


Edit:

It also sounds like you're the kind of player I've had to deal with when I use the Jugger on platinum. Low lvl players who haven't a clue how to take advantage of a Jugger on the team. The Jugger's purpose is to hold an area and attract as much aggro as possible, for the rest of the team to either kill the surrounding enemy or complete objectives. If you are complaining about his design, then it's a failure on your part to grasp his game play. 

I have the suspicion that you and your team ran round like a bunch of loons trying to spawn nuke (without using any missiles) while the Jugger tanked an entire spawn in the main hall, and inevitably got downed. 

I've been running around on platinum without the juggernaught or volus for quite a while. And you can look at my stats on N7HQ if you like to see if I have a low level or not. I don't spawn nuke, it's a waste of not only a life saving missle but takes away from the point of the game. Jugg is a noob character for people that dont have the ability to be able to hold their own in platinum which I susspect you are one of them.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Kaall wrote...

Pugz82 wrote...

I hate the dame shield...I shoot it down every time a jugg puts it up in my way.

Juggernaut is less mobile than all kits,  if you are not mobile enough to get around a shield, then you clearly need to learn to play.

He knows how to play.