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[Rikketik]

He makes some valid points (the jokes were a bit too much at times, just as fanservice could feel a bit forced here and there), but the article starts to get silly when you notice that the writer dedicated more words to purely hypothetical scenarios than to actual valid criticism.

Perhaps the Citadel DLC--partying while the galaxy burns--is pushing the willing suspension of disbelief a bit far, but so is the assumption that the year-long backdraft from the original endings is suddenly forgotten by the designers in favor of the praise garnered by a single piece of DLC that was intended as fanservice in the first place. One only has to take a look on the BSN forums or other popular gaming boards to realize that yes, many people seem to like the Citadel DLC, but only for what it is: a couple of hours of lighthearted fun. Ask them about the original game and the ending, and you'll get the same reaction as you did a year ago: the quality of the game is all over the place--from horrible to excellent and anywhere in between--and the endings are still as despised as ever. The Citadel DLC did nothing to change that. The focus shifted a bit, but that's only because the Citadel DLC is fresh and new. It has been a week since the release of Citadel and the criticism on the DLC's flaws is already getting somewhat stronger. Give it a month or two and the complaints about the original endings are just as common as they were before. The fans didn't forget and they'll make sure BioWare won't forget it either, although I doubt they did in the first place.

[skiadopsendow]

Don't know who he is and i don't care.

[txgoldrush]

Funkdrspot wrote...

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

I'm so full of darky artsy integrity that I thought the dlc was fun and entertaining. Sure the jokes didn't hit the mark everytime but it was good fanservice.

It was horrible writing. All 15 or so squadmates forcibly trying to get in a joke every time they talk WHILE  in the middle of a firefight.

Seriously, some of you guys just amaze me with how bad your tastes are.

I guess you missed the point of that entire sequence. It works thematically.

[dreamgazer]

Thing is, it's not just the ardent fans who are eating the DLC up. I've spoken with a few of both online and real-life "casuals"---people who know the characters but aren't invested---who liked the clone story for its camp and loved the dialogue's humor.

[Yestare7]

crimzontearz wrote...

Yestare7 wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

hahahaha

wait he is serious?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

-coughs....wheezes-

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA......

That was my first response...

even the coughing and the wheezing

Yes, I have a serious cold.

[The Night Mammoth]

txgoldrush wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Wow, u mad txgoldrush?

Evidently so.

You must have forgotten what the word opinion means.

all opinions aren;t created equal

I'm struggling to discern why his opinion isn't equal to yours or mine. 

...this guys opinion is brought out by ignorance.

How? There's nothing wrong with anything he says, the story of ME3 is most of time quite desperate and dark, and I can easily see how someone would find it jarring to jump into the Citadel DLC, which is incredibly light-hearted and trying really hard for laughs, too hard in some places. 

Characters do kind of act a little differently to how they normally would for a while, he's not exactly wrong about that either when he talks about Liara and Wrex. Wouldn't you find it a little off if Liara started being all jokey on a mission, flirting, constantly spouting lines about almost everything that happens? I know I would.

(I'll clarify that whilst I agree with a lot of what he says, I'm not necessarily bothered anywhere near as much.)

It's his opinion, his experience with the Citadel DLC was different to yours, obviously he wasn't that taken by the constant tongue-in-cheek tone. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 14 mars 2013 - 12:54 .

[Versus Omnibus]

Funkdrspot wrote...

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

I'm so full of darky artsy integrity that I thought the dlc was fun and entertaining. Sure the jokes didn't hit the mark everytime but it was good fanservice.

It was horrible writing. All 15 or so squadmates forcibly trying to get in a joke every time they talk WHILE  in the middle of a firefight.

Seriously, some of you guys just amaze me with how bad your tastes are.

Not as much as it amazes me that people like you feel the need to tell people, "your opinion sucks because I disagree!!"

Seriously, it is that hard for you just to say "I'm sorry, but I just didn't like this DLC?"

[NoReapers]

The article is a legitimate warning.
ME3's atmosphere probably needed to loosen up a bit, and I have to play ME3 again to see if the DLC works along playing the main story. But there are some flaws, which most likely occured because of the way the main story and the DLC were created.
I hope BioWare will not produce only happy endings from now on. For the story's sake I even want my Shepard to die. But the ending could have been handled better, probably really use a flashback or something.
All in all I liked the DLC although sometimes it is a bit too much (of fanservice), but my opinion may still change when playing the DLC along the main story.

Modifié par Kamiloni, 14 mars 2013 - 12:55 .

[CptData]

Rikketik: exactly, that was my point (page 3, nearly last post).

The DLC is fun. But it's just a DLC and doesn't change anything ending-wise. Still Shepard is going to die (or nearly). We don't know exactly if s/he gets picked up by some other survivor and reunite with the crew. We surely don't.

The endings are still there. The DLC itself is fun, as I said, and can be seen as a positive goodbye, while the short peaceful part on Earth was meant to be as the original goodbye. Technically, BW added another goodbye scene with your LI in the final charge PLUS the memorial scene - so there are a lot of goodbyes in the game. But none of them satisfies the player, except a good ol' fashioned party with sex with the LI, a group photo and a hangover.

Which gives me the impression BW might have no idea what the fans really wanted.
Yeah, that cheezy happy ending, obviously!

Or, the other way around: if Shepard sacrifices him/herself, a good memorial scene, with all friends and crewmen together, everyone telling a line about Shepard and stuff. That would have worked in an ending with a dead Shepard.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

1) the DLC wasn't supposed to be taken seriously.
2) it was funny
3) it was pulp
4) it was campy
5) I don't care.

[Versus Omnibus]

The Night Mammoth wrote...


I'm struggling to discern why his opinion isn't equal to yours or mine. 
 

It's mostly because he tells people like me, "if you like the Citadel DLC then we have nothing in common."

[Funkdrspot]

txgoldrush wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

I'm so full of darky artsy integrity that I thought the dlc was fun and entertaining. Sure the jokes didn't hit the mark everytime but it was good fanservice.

It was horrible writing. All 15 or so squadmates forcibly trying to get in a joke every time they talk WHILE  in the middle of a firefight.

Seriously, some of you guys just amaze me with how bad your tastes are.

I guess you missed the point of that entire sequence. It works thematically.

Nope, didn't miss the point of anything. It was horribly written. Too many jokes off the mark. Too many attempted jokes back to back to back. Too many jokes while in the middle of battle. The writing in the mission was pure garbage.

It actually DOESNT work thematically because you have to take the entire game into context. You can't just weave your alternate reality for 1 mission. You can lighten it up but you have to take it within the context of the entire product. If 'dark' was a 1 and 'light' was a 10, you can't just jump from a 3 to a 9 in ONE  mission.

But it works for you b/c its a pander to all the anti-ender whiners who whined about a dying Shepard and whined about wanting a Disney ending or whined about conventional victory.

[The Night Mammoth]

Versus Omnibus wrote...
The Night Mammoth wrote...

I'm struggling to discern why his opinion isn't equal to yours or mine.

It's mostly because he tells people like me, "if you like the Citadel DLC then we have nothing in common."

I didn't see that, at all really. He talks about the jarring characterization, how he felt it was trying almost too much and felt almost overbearing, how the tone conflicts with the rest of the game, he has several valid points that I'm kind of forced to agree with, even though I'm not exactly bothered by all these things.  

It's an opinion piece. Surprise, it contains a good deal of subjectivity. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 14 mars 2013 - 01:00 .

[Terraforming2154]

I can understand what he is saying, and if this DLC wasn't the end of the trilogy and if it wasn't possibly the last time the developers would be writing for these characters, I would agree with him.

But I think that this was a way for them to say goodbye to what they created, more than anything else. Hence the tonal shift.

[Funkdrspot]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

I'm so full of darky artsy integrity that I thought the dlc was fun and entertaining. Sure the jokes didn't hit the mark everytime but it was good fanservice.

It was horrible writing. All 15 or so squadmates forcibly trying to get in a joke every time they talk WHILE  in the middle of a firefight.

Seriously, some of you guys just amaze me with how bad your tastes are.

Not as much as it amazes me that people like you feel the need to tell people, "your opinion sucks because I disagree!!"

Seriously, it is that hard for you just to say "I'm sorry, but I just didn't like this DLC?"

Its textbook bad writing. I don't see what the argument is. Its like me disagreeing with you because you think Uwe Bol is a great director. Sure, its all 'opinion' but it's virtually established fact that he sucks. Same for the writing in this mission.

[txgoldrush]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Wow, u mad txgoldrush?

Evidently so.

You must have forgotten what the word opinion means.

all opinions aren;t created equal

I'm struggling to discern why his opinion isn't equal to yours or mine. 

...this guys opinion is brought out by ignorance.

How? There's nothing wrong with anything he says, the story of ME3 is most of time quite desperate and dark, and I can easily see how someone would find it jarring to jump into the Citadel DLC, which is incredibly light-hearted and trying really hard for laughs, too hard in some places. 

Characters do kind of act a little differently to how they normally would for a while, he's not exactly wrong about that either when he talks about Liara and Wrex. Wouldn't you find it a little off if Liara started being all jokey on a mission, flirting, constantly spouting lines about almost everything that happens? I know I would.

(I'll clarify that whilst I agree with a lot of what he says, I'm not necessarily bothered anywhere near as much.)

It's his opinion, his experience with the Citadel DLC was different to yours, obviously he wasn't that taken by the constant tongue-in-cheek tone. 

No....Liara has been jokey throughout the trilogy, while less so compared with other characters, she never steps out of character here (unless she is drunk). She never really is all jokey in this DLC, and she has one of the more somber cutscenes in th esecond half of the DLC. Guy fails to take into account the multifaceted cast. Anyone can crack jokes here.

Its not all light hearted, he clearly misses the themes of companionship and what made Shepard who he or she is, which is very consistant with the rest of the series. He ignores this. Yes its more light hearted, but it fits with the themes of the entire series. He ignores this.

[Funkdrspot]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

1) the DLC wasn't supposed to be taken seriously.
2) it was funny
3) it was pulp
4) it was campy
5) I don't care.

1. No one did but lord, keep your slapstick in perspective. Its like watching "Saving Private Ryan", only to have 10 minutes of "The Expendables 2"  cut in at the end

2. It WAS funny but it tried WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY  too hard. The mission writing was horrible but the party was fun

3. ?

4. It was Campy to delta level 10 in a trilogy that never had anything remotely close. It breaks emersion for anyone who is a true fan and not just some emotionally stunted fictional character worshiper

5. Then don't post.

[txgoldrush]

Funkdrspot wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

I'm so full of darky artsy integrity that I thought the dlc was fun and entertaining. Sure the jokes didn't hit the mark everytime but it was good fanservice.

It was horrible writing. All 15 or so squadmates forcibly trying to get in a joke every time they talk WHILE  in the middle of a firefight.

Seriously, some of you guys just amaze me with how bad your tastes are.

Not as much as it amazes me that people like you feel the need to tell people, "your opinion sucks because I disagree!!"

Seriously, it is that hard for you just to say "I'm sorry, but I just didn't like this DLC?"

Its textbook bad writing. I don't see what the argument is. Its like me disagreeing with you because you think Uwe Bol is a great director. Sure, its all 'opinion' but it's virtually established fact that he sucks. Same for the writing in this mission.

And yet when was this DLC's writing established as suck. Oh wait, the press is giving acclaim to this DLC as well. Its only established in your mind.

Nevermind you missed the point of that whole section of the mission...where the companionship of those characters put doubt into the mercs of whether they are working for the right Shepard.

[Funkdrspot]

txgoldrush wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Wow, u mad txgoldrush?

Evidently so.

You must have forgotten what the word opinion means.

all opinions aren;t created equal

I'm struggling to discern why his opinion isn't equal to yours or mine. 

...this guys opinion is brought out by ignorance.

How? There's nothing wrong with anything he says, the story of ME3 is most of time quite desperate and dark, and I can easily see how someone would find it jarring to jump into the Citadel DLC, which is incredibly light-hearted and trying really hard for laughs, too hard in some places. 

Characters do kind of act a little differently to how they normally would for a while, he's not exactly wrong about that either when he talks about Liara and Wrex. Wouldn't you find it a little off if Liara started being all jokey on a mission, flirting, constantly spouting lines about almost everything that happens? I know I would.

(I'll clarify that whilst I agree with a lot of what he says, I'm not necessarily bothered anywhere near as much.)

It's his opinion, his experience with the Citadel DLC was different to yours, obviously he wasn't that taken by the constant tongue-in-cheek tone. 

No....Liara has been jokey throughout the trilogy, while less so compared with other characters, she never steps out of character here (unless she is drunk). She never really is all jokey in this DLC, and she has one of the more somber cutscenes in th esecond half of the DLC. Guy fails to take into account the multifaceted cast. Anyone can crack jokes here.

Its not all light hearted, he clearly misses the themes of companionship and what made Shepard who he or she is, which is very consistant with the rest of the series. He ignores this. Yes its more light hearted, but it fits with the themes of the entire series. He ignores this.

Its funny that you talk about what other people miss or ignore while ignoring everything that's bad about it just because you got some fanfic service.

[Jonathan Seagull]

I don't think he's necessarily wrong in some of his assertions -- the DLC is certainly high on fan-service as well as comic relief. I think they could have perhaps eased up on the jokes during the main story section of the DLC. I do, however, disagree with his feeling that this potentially means bad things. I don't think that BioWare is going to shift the focus of their storytelling to this type of content 24/7. I found the DLC fantastically enjoyable, but I don't think the heavier dramatic stories are in any danger.

Having said that, I don't think there's any call for personally insulting the author. He has his opinion, and whether or not someone thinks it's well-informed, it's his to have.

[Funkdrspot]

txgoldrush wrote...

And yet when was this DLC's writing established as suck. Oh wait, the press is giving acclaim to this DLC as well. Its only established in your mind.

Nevermind you missed the point of that whole section of the mission...where the companionship of those characters put doubt into the mercs of whether they are working for the right Shepard.

Nope. I know what the point of it was because it was so blatantly slapping you in the face with it you'd have to be 3 yrs old not to see the subtext.

You keep talking about OTHERS  not getting it but you fail to see your own bias. We get it, we just realize that most of it is bad writing, at least mission wise it is. Its too drastic a change that it breaks immersion. ONLY  the mission is this way, even the rest of the DLC isn't this slapstick.

[Versus Omnibus]

Funkdrspot wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

I'm so full of darky artsy integrity that I thought the dlc was fun and entertaining. Sure the jokes didn't hit the mark everytime but it was good fanservice.

It was horrible writing. All 15 or so squadmates forcibly trying to get in a joke every time they talk WHILE  in the middle of a firefight.

Seriously, some of you guys just amaze me with how bad your tastes are.

Not as much as it amazes me that people like you feel the need to tell people, "your opinion sucks because I disagree!!"

Seriously, it is that hard for you just to say "I'm sorry, but I just didn't like this DLC?"

Its textbook bad writing. I don't see what the argument is. Its like me disagreeing with you because you think Uwe Bol is a great director. Sure, its all 'opinion' but it's virtually established fact that he sucks. Same for the writing in this mission.

"Virtually established" doesn't mean fact. The only thing that is fact is that you don't like the DLC. And unless you can explain why the writing is terrible in a literary sense then you have no case.

[Tron Mega]

bioware is SO GOOD at making characters. so good. and thats what i mostly have taken away from the ME series. yeah the story could have been better, or the universe filled out, or whatever, but theres no denying biowares aptness for writing characters worth caring about. what bioware should take away from the citadel is exactly that. people arent as interested in what happens in biowares stories, but who its happening with.

i gaurantee people who bought the citadel DLC werent buying it for the story or the new mods or mini games, they bought it because it allowed them to hang out once more with their video game companions they care so much about.

hopefully bioware realizes what they are good at and what they arent good at and just sticks with what they are good at.

[txgoldrush]

Funkdrspot wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Wow, u mad txgoldrush?

Evidently so.

You must have forgotten what the word opinion means.

all opinions aren;t created equal

I'm struggling to discern why his opinion isn't equal to yours or mine. 

...this guys opinion is brought out by ignorance.

How? There's nothing wrong with anything he says, the story of ME3 is most of time quite desperate and dark, and I can easily see how someone would find it jarring to jump into the Citadel DLC, which is incredibly light-hearted and trying really hard for laughs, too hard in some places. 

Characters do kind of act a little differently to how they normally would for a while, he's not exactly wrong about that either when he talks about Liara and Wrex. Wouldn't you find it a little off if Liara started being all jokey on a mission, flirting, constantly spouting lines about almost everything that happens? I know I would.

(I'll clarify that whilst I agree with a lot of what he says, I'm not necessarily bothered anywhere near as much.)

It's his opinion, his experience with the Citadel DLC was different to yours, obviously he wasn't that taken by the constant tongue-in-cheek tone. 

No....Liara has been jokey throughout the trilogy, while less so compared with other characters, she never steps out of character here (unless she is drunk). She never really is all jokey in this DLC, and she has one of the more somber cutscenes in th esecond half of the DLC. Guy fails to take into account the multifaceted cast. Anyone can crack jokes here.

Its not all light hearted, he clearly misses the themes of companionship and what made Shepard who he or she is, which is very consistant with the rest of the series. He ignores this. Yes its more light hearted, but it fits with the themes of the entire series. He ignores this.

Its funny that you talk about what other people miss or ignore while ignoring everything that's bad about it just because you got some fanfic service.

What did I ignore?

Its not all fan service. Thie mission itslef is very thematically strong that deals with themes throughout the series. Or did you ignore the clear conflict between Shepard and his clone?

Sorry but the humor was critically acclaimed and was well recieved by most fans and most reviewers.

[HolyAvenger]

Funkdrspot wrote...

Its textbook bad writing. I don't see what the argument is. Its like me disagreeing with you because you think Uwe Bol is a great director. Sure, its all 'opinion' but it's virtually established fact that he sucks. Same for the writing in this mission.

 

Well done on positing your opinion as fact, but I have seen no evidence that a vast majority of fans thought the dialogue sucked. I personally found it hilarious.