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[Funkdrspot]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

I'm so full of darky artsy integrity that I thought the dlc was fun and entertaining. Sure the jokes didn't hit the mark everytime but it was good fanservice.

It was horrible writing. All 15 or so squadmates forcibly trying to get in a joke every time they talk WHILE  in the middle of a firefight.

Seriously, some of you guys just amaze me with how bad your tastes are.

Not as much as it amazes me that people like you feel the need to tell people, "your opinion sucks because I disagree!!"

Seriously, it is that hard for you just to say "I'm sorry, but I just didn't like this DLC?"

Its textbook bad writing. I don't see what the argument is. Its like me disagreeing with you because you think Uwe Bol is a great director. Sure, its all 'opinion' but it's virtually established fact that he sucks. Same for the writing in this mission.

"Virtually established" doesn't mean fact. The only thing that is fact is that you don't like the DLC. And unless you can explain why the writing is terrible in a literary sense then you have no case.

Many have already, including the author of the article we're talking about. So far the only responses I've seen to the author is he's stupid, an idiot and he 'just doesn't get it'.

[Funkdrspot]

txgoldrush wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

I'm so full of darky artsy integrity that I thought the dlc was fun and entertaining. Sure the jokes didn't hit the mark everytime but it was good fanservice.

It was horrible writing. All 15 or so squadmates forcibly trying to get in a joke every time they talk WHILE  in the middle of a firefight.

Seriously, some of you guys just amaze me with how bad your tastes are.

Not as much as it amazes me that people like you feel the need to tell people, "your opinion sucks because I disagree!!"

Seriously, it is that hard for you just to say "I'm sorry, but I just didn't like this DLC?"

Its textbook bad writing. I don't see what the argument is. Its like me disagreeing with you because you think Uwe Bol is a great director. Sure, its all 'opinion' but it's virtually established fact that he sucks. Same for the writing in this mission.

And yet when was this DLC's writing established as suck. Oh wait, the press is giving acclaim to this DLC as well. Its only established in your mind.

Nevermind you missed the point of that whole section of the mission...where the companionship of those characters put doubt into the mercs of whether they are working for the right Shepard.

Again, your bias is showing.
The press gave acclaim to the original ME3 ending but I'm SURE you handwaved that away, suddenly now the press has it right?

L  O  MFING  L

[Spartas Husky]

Funkdrspot wrote...



Seriously, some of you guys just amaze me with how bad your tastes are.

Hey, we all like food, dung bettles just have different taste in food.

[Funkdrspot]

Tron Mega wrote...

bioware is SO GOOD at making characters. so good. and thats what i mostly have taken away from the ME series. yeah the story could have been better, or the universe filled out, or whatever, but theres no denying biowares aptness for writing characters worth caring about. what bioware should take away from the citadel is exactly that. people arent as interested in what happens in biowares stories, but who its happening with.

i gaurantee people who bought the citadel DLC werent buying it for the story or the new mods or mini games, they bought it because it allowed them to hang out once more with their video game companions they care so much about.

hopefully bioware realizes what they are good at and what they arent good at and just sticks with what they are good at.

I  bought it for all the above. For a good story, good action and to see what else they'd throw my way.

I was severely disappointed with the story AND writing for the mission but the rest of it makes up for it and then some.

[The Night Mammoth]

txgoldrush wrote...

No....Liara has been jokey throughout the trilogy, while less so compared with other characters, she never steps out of character here (unless she is drunk). She never really is all jokey in this DLC, and she has one of the more somber cutscenes in th esecond half of the DLC. Guy fails to take into account the multifaceted cast. Anyone can crack jokes here.

Having rarely ever gone through this series without romancing and constantly talking to Liara, she has never, ever been like this. Ever. You could count the number of actual jokes she makes on one hand and have fingers to spare. 
Like I said, this isn't a serious part of the story, and I was in the experience enough not to care, but yeah, I did find some of the characters to change for the sake of humor when looking back on it in hingsight. 

Its not all light hearted, he clearly misses the themes of companionship and what made Shepard who he or she is, which is very consistant with the rest of the series. He ignores this.

That's part of his point on the jarring characterization and forced humor. 

Yes its more light hearted, but it fits with the themes of the entire series. He ignores this.

It fits with some of the themes in some places, but that's kind of missing the point of themes and consistency. Cloneshep might be a xenophobe and a racist, but that doesn't automatically make the DLC a fitting part of the story. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 14 mars 2013 - 01:30 .

[JamieCOTC]

I kind of dislike Mass Effect 3‘s Citadel DLC. And if you like it — you might frustrate me.

Stopped right there.

[Funkdrspot]

txgoldrush wrote...
What did I ignore?

Its not all fan service. Thie mission itslef is very thematically strong that deals with themes throughout the series. Or did you ignore the clear conflict between Shepard and his clone?

Sorry but the humor was critically acclaimed and was well recieved by most fans and most reviewers.

You continally dance around valid points about dialogue by handwaving the issue and saying 'you just dont get it'

Then you throw out a defense about 'thematically' and 'themes' and bunker up

I've already addressed both and yet you just threw out both as though I had never said anything. LISTEN TO YOURSELF, MAN!!! YOU'RE INDOCTRINATED!

Seriously though, the mission was horrible EVEN  INCLUDING  your idea of thematics and themes. I don't EVER  remember the thematics or themes of Mass Effect to mean that ALL 15 SQUADMATES HAD TO TELL A JOKE EVER SINGLE TIME THEY TALKED FOR 2-3 HRS STRAIGHT. They were aiming for campy and cliche, i get it, but they overdid it to an extreme degree to the point where it breaks immersion.

[Versus Omnibus]

Funkdrspot wrote...

Many have already, including the author of the article we're talking about. So far the only responses I've seen to the author is he's stupid, an idiot and he 'just doesn't get it'.

People are giving their opinions, but it doesn't establish any facts other then the Citadel DLC has mixed receptions. Whether or not the Citadel has bad writing or spells doom for future games is academic. The author is entitled to his opinion and so are you, but the minute people treat their opinions as facts is when flame wars start. So I suggest for everybody's sake we just agree to disagree and move on.

[Funkdrspot]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

Many have already, including the author of the article we're talking about. So far the only responses I've seen to the author is he's stupid, an idiot and he 'just doesn't get it'.

People are giving their opinions, but it doesn't establish any facts other then the Citadel DLC has mixed receptions. Whether or not the Citadel has bad writing or spells doom for future games is academic. The author is entitled to his opinion and so are you, but the minute people treat their opinions as facts is when flame wars start. So I suggest for everybody's sake we just agree to disagree and move on.

Agree to disagree?  On THIS  forum of THIS game?! LoL. I only wish that were true, we wouldn't have trolls taking control of the forum for a full year.

[Versus Omnibus]

Funkdrspot wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

Many have already, including the author of the article we're talking about. So far the only responses I've seen to the author is he's stupid, an idiot and he 'just doesn't get it'.

People are giving their opinions, but it doesn't establish any facts other then the Citadel DLC has mixed receptions. Whether or not the Citadel has bad writing or spells doom for future games is academic. The author is entitled to his opinion and so are you, but the minute people treat their opinions as facts is when flame wars start. So I suggest for everybody's sake we just agree to disagree and move on.

Agree to disagree?  On THIS  forum of THIS game?! LoL. I only wish that were true, we wouldn't have trolls taking control of the forum for a full year.

I know what you mean...

[txgoldrush]

Funkdrspot wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

I'm so full of darky artsy integrity that I thought the dlc was fun and entertaining. Sure the jokes didn't hit the mark everytime but it was good fanservice.

It was horrible writing. All 15 or so squadmates forcibly trying to get in a joke every time they talk WHILE  in the middle of a firefight.

Seriously, some of you guys just amaze me with how bad your tastes are.

Not as much as it amazes me that people like you feel the need to tell people, "your opinion sucks because I disagree!!"

Seriously, it is that hard for you just to say "I'm sorry, but I just didn't like this DLC?"

Its textbook bad writing. I don't see what the argument is. Its like me disagreeing with you because you think Uwe Bol is a great director. Sure, its all 'opinion' but it's virtually established fact that he sucks. Same for the writing in this mission.

And yet when was this DLC's writing established as suck. Oh wait, the press is giving acclaim to this DLC as well. Its only established in your mind.

Nevermind you missed the point of that whole section of the mission...where the companionship of those characters put doubt into the mercs of whether they are working for the right Shepard.

Again, your bias is showing.
The press gave acclaim to the original ME3 ending but I'm SURE you handwaved that away, suddenly now the press has it right?

L  O  MFING  L

Your ignorance is showing. The views of the ending are divided critically, some like it like Gamespot, Gameinformer, and MSNBC and some didn't like Gamesradar and Gamestrailer.

But fans who hate the ending can't seem to grasp that many liked the ending, an dthat many many more like the extended cut.

Just like Vietnam War protestors could not grasp that the majority of Americans supported Nixons view of the war. Where the term "silent majority" was made famous. And unlike politics, the silent majority can't be wrong or right on art.

[txgoldrush]

Funkdrspot wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
What did I ignore?

Its not all fan service. Thie mission itslef is very thematically strong that deals with themes throughout the series. Or did you ignore the clear conflict between Shepard and his clone?

Sorry but the humor was critically acclaimed and was well recieved by most fans and most reviewers.

You continally dance around valid points about dialogue by handwaving the issue and saying 'you just dont get it'

Then you throw out a defense about 'thematically' and 'themes' and bunker up

I've already addressed both and yet you just threw out both as though I had never said anything. LISTEN TO YOURSELF, MAN!!! YOU'RE INDOCTRINATED!

Seriously though, the mission was horrible EVEN  INCLUDING  your idea of thematics and themes. I don't EVER  remember the thematics or themes of Mass Effect to mean that ALL 15 SQUADMATES HAD TO TELL A JOKE EVER SINGLE TIME THEY TALKED FOR 2-3 HRS STRAIGHT. They were aiming for campy and cliche, i get it, but they overdid it to an extreme degree to the point where it breaks immersion.

Tell me, ignoramus, what was the main difference between Shepard and his clone?

[Funkdrspot]

txgoldrush wrote...

Your ignorance is showing. The views of the ending are divided critically, some like it like Gamespot, Gameinformer, and MSNBC and some didn't like Gamesradar and Gamestrailer.

But fans who hate the ending can't seem to grasp that many liked the ending, an dthat many many more like the extended cut.

Just like Vietnam War protestors could not grasp that the majority of Americans supported Nixons view of the war. Where the term "silent majority" was made famous. And unlike politics, the silent majority can't be wrong or right on art.

My point was that most people on here disregarded the "70 perfect scores"  that Bioware was advertising but suddenly that same press that you disregarded is NOW  valid because they NOW  share your POV. There's nothing ignorant about me pointing out your hypocrisy.

[Funkdrspot]

txgoldrush wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
What did I ignore?

Its not all fan service. Thie mission itslef is very thematically strong that deals with themes throughout the series. Or did you ignore the clear conflict between Shepard and his clone?

Sorry but the humor was critically acclaimed and was well recieved by most fans and most reviewers.

You continally dance around valid points about dialogue by handwaving the issue and saying 'you just dont get it'

Then you throw out a defense about 'thematically' and 'themes' and bunker up

I've already addressed both and yet you just threw out both as though I had never said anything. LISTEN TO YOURSELF, MAN!!! YOU'RE INDOCTRINATED!

Seriously though, the mission was horrible EVEN  INCLUDING  your idea of thematics and themes. I don't EVER  remember the thematics or themes of Mass Effect to mean that ALL 15 SQUADMATES HAD TO TELL A JOKE EVER SINGLE TIME THEY TALKED FOR 2-3 HRS STRAIGHT. They were aiming for campy and cliche, i get it, but they overdid it to an extreme degree to the point where it breaks immersion.

Tell me, ignoramus, what was the main difference between Shepard and his clone?

So you continually ignore the points that I'm making about the DLC, but you expect me to let you sidestep them and answer one of your unrelated questions?  Practice your red herrings somewhere else. The issue isn't about the antagonist's motivations, its about how horrible the writing is. Its about how 15 people are trying to outdo eachother with corny jokes. 

[Dendio1]

its amazing what people will find to complain about.

[txgoldrush]

Funkdrspot wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Your ignorance is showing. The views of the ending are divided critically, some like it like Gamespot, Gameinformer, and MSNBC and some didn't like Gamesradar and Gamestrailer.

But fans who hate the ending can't seem to grasp that many liked the ending, an dthat many many more like the extended cut.

Just like Vietnam War protestors could not grasp that the majority of Americans supported Nixons view of the war. Where the term "silent majority" was made famous. And unlike politics, the silent majority can't be wrong or right on art.

My point was that most people on here disregarded the "70 perfect scores"  that Bioware was advertising but suddenly that same press that you disregarded is NOW  valid because they NOW  share your POV. There's nothing ignorant about me pointing out your hypocrisy.

When did I disregard the press? I disregarded one guys moron opinion.

Most people on BSN =/= majority

[txgoldrush]

Funkdrspot wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
What did I ignore?

Its not all fan service. Thie mission itslef is very thematically strong that deals with themes throughout the series. Or did you ignore the clear conflict between Shepard and his clone?

Sorry but the humor was critically acclaimed and was well recieved by most fans and most reviewers.

You continally dance around valid points about dialogue by handwaving the issue and saying 'you just dont get it'

Then you throw out a defense about 'thematically' and 'themes' and bunker up

I've already addressed both and yet you just threw out both as though I had never said anything. LISTEN TO YOURSELF, MAN!!! YOU'RE INDOCTRINATED!

Seriously though, the mission was horrible EVEN  INCLUDING  your idea of thematics and themes. I don't EVER  remember the thematics or themes of Mass Effect to mean that ALL 15 SQUADMATES HAD TO TELL A JOKE EVER SINGLE TIME THEY TALKED FOR 2-3 HRS STRAIGHT. They were aiming for campy and cliche, i get it, but they overdid it to an extreme degree to the point where it breaks immersion.

Tell me, ignoramus, what was the main difference between Shepard and his clone?

So you continually ignore the points that I'm making about the DLC, but you expect me to let you sidestep them and answer one of your unrelated questions?  Practice your red herrings somewhere else. The issue isn't about the antagonist's motivations, its about how horrible the writing is. Its about how 15 people are trying to outdo eachother with corny jokes. 

 Ever thought the humor between characters, you know, enhance the theme on comradrie, so therefore, it is appropriate. Has that crossed your mind?

[Random Geth]

The man's an idiot. I couldn't even make it through the article, honestly.

[EnvyTB075]

Yep, and i totally agree.

edit: Funk, you're arguing with txgoldrush, its a hopeless cause.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 14 mars 2013 - 02:14 .

[Funkdrspot]

txgoldrush wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
What did I ignore?

Its not all fan service. Thie mission itslef is very thematically strong that deals with themes throughout the series. Or did you ignore the clear conflict between Shepard and his clone?

Sorry but the humor was critically acclaimed and was well recieved by most fans and most reviewers.

You continally dance around valid points about dialogue by handwaving the issue and saying 'you just dont get it'

Then you throw out a defense about 'thematically' and 'themes' and bunker up

I've already addressed both and yet you just threw out both as though I had never said anything. LISTEN TO YOURSELF, MAN!!! YOU'RE INDOCTRINATED!

Seriously though, the mission was horrible EVEN  INCLUDING  your idea of thematics and themes. I don't EVER  remember the thematics or themes of Mass Effect to mean that ALL 15 SQUADMATES HAD TO TELL A JOKE EVER SINGLE TIME THEY TALKED FOR 2-3 HRS STRAIGHT. They were aiming for campy and cliche, i get it, but they overdid it to an extreme degree to the point where it breaks immersion.

Tell me, ignoramus, what was the main difference between Shepard and his clone?

So you continually ignore the points that I'm making about the DLC, but you expect me to let you sidestep them and answer one of your unrelated questions?  Practice your red herrings somewhere else. The issue isn't about the antagonist's motivations, its about how horrible the writing is. Its about how 15 people are trying to outdo eachother with corny jokes. 

 Ever thought the humor between characters, you know, enhance the theme on comradrie, so therefore, it is appropriate. Has that crossed your mind?

LoL  I  love it. You're seriously acting like this DLC  is "War and Peace" and there's some hidden subtext you have to tell others when in reality it's "Dr. Seuss's Go Dog Go".

Again, it's hard NOT  to see the theme because they BEAT  YOU  OVER  THE  HEAD  WITH  IT  CONSTANTLY. For the trilogy, this constitutes bad writing, is NOT consistent with past writing and is over the top. Its excessively, nauseatingly campy for a trilogy that was built on a more realistic, dark sci-fi. The Trilogy is for adults, it deals with adult themes and the writing has almost always had subtle queues.

So, by your logic, they NEED 15 squadmates to continuously tell lame jokes in the middle of a firefight in order to show comradrie?  They could have cut the dialogue down by half and it would STILL  be enough for adults to pick up on. Hell, you could cut ALL  dialogue out of the DLC and the scene where Shep's teammates help him up and clone-Shep's woman doesn't would tell the whole story.

Modifié par Funkdrspot, 14 mars 2013 - 02:19 .

[Funkdrspot]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Yep, and i totally agree.

edit: Funk, you're arguing with txgoldrush, its a hopeless cause.

LoL I'm a seasoned vet on these forums so I know who is or isn't objective but thanks for the warning.

[Volc19]

What this guy is saying is that it's somehow bad for content creators to make stuff for the fans, directed right at them with all the stuff they want.

Citadel gave me, the cynic who looks at most of ME3 with disgust and the ending with horror, hope for future Mass Effect games. That's saying something.

[LinksOcarina]

Dr. Megaverse wrote...

TheCrazyHobo wrote...

He missed out on the big picture of this DLC. The DLC was a good bye to the fans from the developers. It was not supposed to be part of the story because it transcends the story.

"It's been a good ride."

"Yeah, the best."

I'd say that was his point, it was too focused on being a good godbye at the expense of "more pressing issues".  

And?

If anything, this is a rare thing to see in a video game series; a sendoff that is purposely tongue in cheek by design.

People can harp on the bad story and the overloaded jokes, and they would be right in the end. But does it matter much in this DLC? We had our dark story moments, we had our serious points in the trilogy. If there is one thing that we didn't have in Mass Effect 3, one thing that has been missing for a while, is a little fun.

And a little fun goes a long way. 

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 14 mars 2013 - 02:24 .

[txgoldrush]

Funkdrspot wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
What did I ignore?

Its not all fan service. Thie mission itslef is very thematically strong that deals with themes throughout the series. Or did you ignore the clear conflict between Shepard and his clone?

Sorry but the humor was critically acclaimed and was well recieved by most fans and most reviewers.

You continally dance around valid points about dialogue by handwaving the issue and saying 'you just dont get it'

Then you throw out a defense about 'thematically' and 'themes' and bunker up

I've already addressed both and yet you just threw out both as though I had never said anything. LISTEN TO YOURSELF, MAN!!! YOU'RE INDOCTRINATED!

Seriously though, the mission was horrible EVEN  INCLUDING  your idea of thematics and themes. I don't EVER  remember the thematics or themes of Mass Effect to mean that ALL 15 SQUADMATES HAD TO TELL A JOKE EVER SINGLE TIME THEY TALKED FOR 2-3 HRS STRAIGHT. They were aiming for campy and cliche, i get it, but they overdid it to an extreme degree to the point where it breaks immersion.

Tell me, ignoramus, what was the main difference between Shepard and his clone?

So you continually ignore the points that I'm making about the DLC, but you expect me to let you sidestep them and answer one of your unrelated questions?  Practice your red herrings somewhere else. The issue isn't about the antagonist's motivations, its about how horrible the writing is. Its about how 15 people are trying to outdo eachother with corny jokes. 

 Ever thought the humor between characters, you know, enhance the theme on comradrie, so therefore, it is appropriate. Has that crossed your mind?

LoL  I  love it. You're seriously acting like this DLC  is "War and Peace" and there's some hidden subtext you have to tell others when in reality it's "Dr. Seuss's Go Dog Go".

Again, it's hard NOT  to see the theme because they BEAT  YOU  OVER  THE  HEAD  WITH  IT  CONSTANTLY. For the trilogy, this constitutes bad writing, is NOT consistent with past writing and is over the top. Its excessively, nauseatingly campy for a trilogy that was built on a more realistic, dark sci-fi. The Trilogy is for adults, it deals with adult themes and the writing has almost always had subtle queues.

So, by your logic, they NEED 15 squadmates to continuously tell lame jokes in the middle of a firefight in order to show comradrie?  They could have cut the dialogue down by half and it would STILL  be enough for adults to pick up on. Hell, you could cut ALL  dialogue out of the DLC and the scene where Shep's teammates help him up and clone-Shep's woman doesn't would tell the whole story.

And yet us adults like this....yeah, you are not in the majority. Adult game reviewers also liked the humor.

And there was plenty of camp all throughout the trilogy, even ME3. Tali romance on Geth Ship for example.

And there is no hidden subtext, its all there.

[txgoldrush]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Yep, and i totally agree.

edit: Funk, you're arguing with txgoldrush, its a hopeless cause.

Less hopeless than idiot retakers trying to have the ending changed again.