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[Beta582]

DungeonHoek wrote...

Yeah, the mother must have sent in some kind of false report. But, this sort of thing isn't so uncommon. You should check out the many rage videos on youtube centered around these style of games. It gets really sad.

I mean if that was ME, and my mother caught me doing that kind of crap when I was a boy. She would have probably taken my console and put it in a pillow case and beat me with it and then buried me on some random hill. But alas days long gone when parents actually disciplined their children.

But seriously, she would have tanned my hide if I acted like those brats.

*Snipped because quote pyramid*

Something similar to that would have hapened to me when I was younger if I acted like that.

Modifié par Beta582, 13 mars 2013 - 11:21 .

[fulcrum290]

I fully support a Stalinist style purged on Xbox to get rid of this.

Microsof pls.

[deafglasses]

Original Stikman wrote...

Its not about one women's youtube site, its about a culture.

Why are they focusing on gamers when the real issue lies with those who actually get laid?

[Original Twigman]

Annomander wrote...

[No, my point is I was raised by my parents to ignore people who talk BS. I extrapolate this to encompass the people who do so online too.

I didn't say their behaviour was appropriate. I said she needs thicker skin... People misbehave. In real life, on the internet... and the best answer is to ignore it. Respond to it, and show that it bothers you and you are giving the person exactly what they want.

I am apathetic towards people who clearly are much to naiive for the world they live in.

That might work for you, and your hard man feelings, but this is a sign that you have little understanding of what the world of a woman looks like.

No way in hell will i ever understand what its like to view the world from a woman's eyes. But you just can't "shake" these things off when A) you are hormonally desinged to be sensitive to relationships, grow up in a society where you are the weaker sex (physically), C) have to stay alert at all times at night and alone, even if you are just walking from your work to your car, and much, much more.

I mean, alone, the percentage of women who are sexually abused as children are astronimcally higher than men... i mean... 1 in 6 women have been a victim to attempted or enacted rape... ONE in SIX...

Its not about how tough you are, its about the inherent problems this society has in their views on women

[TheGreatDayne]

I've been called stupid for bringing in a Justicar with an Indra, once... I did bad... But it was Silver! D: Am I not allowed to fool around in Silver..? Since then, I dreaded hearing people talking on their mic... Luckily, PS3 doesn't have too many people with mics...

[Original Twigman]

Draining Dragon wrote...

If you seriously get offended by anything that anybody says on the internet, you need to grow a spine.

And yes, that includes you if you complain about racism, homophobia, or sexism on the internet. Who CARES what some random guy thinks?

Sticks and stones.

There are those who's rock bottom is only a few feet...

You seem to be leagues below

[painforest]

Thanks for saying better than I could have, Stikman.

[RGB]

Agree with you completely Stikman, just didn't want to make a pyramid.

Ignoring that kind of behavior often doesn't work, for a number of reasons. The worst being that if you do nothing and take no action, you're kicking it down the road for other people to deal with later.

Do people in Africa have it bad? Obviously. What has that got to do with this situation? Nothing. I'd like to see a woman saying "it's fine to threaten to rape a woman over a video game, and I'm fine with it continuing to happen". No big shock that the "just ignore it" crew is made up of boys.

[Original Twigman]

painforest wrote...

Thanks for saying better than I could have, Stikman.

*nod*

[Credit2team]

Annomander wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

Annomander wrote...

Original Stikman wrote...

Annomander wrote...

If you can't take a bit of smack talk get off the internet.

I'm not excusing the perpetrators, but you need to realise people are going to talk a bit of smack online. Take it too seriously and it's your problem.

One of the presenters on the video said "if you are one of those guys that says "its part of the game" you are a jerk"

Honestly, this is some ignorant stuff. It isn't "a bit of smack talk" its much more than that.

Cultural insensitivity at its worst

Yeah, women are being raped and decapitated by machete wielding maniacs in the Congo Jungle every day...

...And you want me to take someone seriously who's upset that people posted swearey words on their youtube videos?

First world white women on the internet problems. Don't read comments, don't allow comments... it is NOT a big deal. Get over it. Complete anonymity gives people a license to behave like d*ckheads. Understanding this is the first crucial step towards immunising yourself to internet vitriol.

Keep in perspective exactly what is being said. She's not being attacked by crazed African militia men, she's being trolled on the internet by people who are posting stuff on her youtube video that they would never dream of saying to you in real life.

Keep some perspective on the matter please?

A sign of pettiness, excusing ****** poor behavior to justify your apathy because someone else, somewhere, has it worse, to which you will do nothing about either.

No, my point is I was raised by my parents to ignore people who talk BS. I extrapolate this to encompass the people who do so online too.

I didn't say their behaviour was appropriate. I said she needs thicker skin... People misbehave. In real life, on the internet... and the best answer is to ignore it. Respond to it, and show that it bothers you and you are giving the person exactly what they want.

I am apathetic towards people who clearly are much too naive for the world they live in.

I think what anomander is trying to say here is that if you are a good parent you do two things:
1) teach you kids not to bully others
2) teach your kids how to deal with bullying (interpert that how you will)

and I'd agree with him.

In california, you have to learn how to be defensive driver or risk serious injury or death because the bad drivers are plentiful. Now should I have to put up with bad drivers? No, but in the real world you need to learn how to. Thats not to say we do nothing to prevent and punish bad driving, we certainly do, but we also have to learn to live with the fact that there will always be bad drivers out there, so if you want to drive, you learn to drive defensively.

[Draining Dragon]

BryceH wrote...

Agree with you completely Stikman, just didn't want to make a pyramid.

Ignoring that kind of behavior often doesn't work, for a number of reasons. The worst being that if you do nothing and take no action, you're kicking it down the road for other people to deal with later.

Do people in Africa have it bad? Obviously. What has that got to do with this situation? Nothing. I'd like to see a woman saying "it's fine to threaten to rape a woman over a video game, and I'm fine with it continuing to happen". No big shock that the "just ignore it" crew is made up of boys.

If I were being immature, I would throw a fit over the fact that you just made a generalization based on sex.

But I won't. Instead, I'll say this: Think about the fact that A. This is the internet and B. This is a game. Are empty threats made by random ****s in an anonymous community something that should be frightening the recipient?

[hawgwild5757]

There's no excuse for verbally abusing someone, the fact that it's the internet doesn't excuse it, and in fact only makes it worse. There's little or no threat of reprisal and the person doing the abusing doesn't even know the other person. It could be a child for all they know. Kids have committed suicide over this kind of stuff.

So while I agree that ignoring it is the best way to deal with it when it happens to you, as a group we need to slam the people we find doing it to others. It's just not acceptable.

And for those of you doing it, if you need to abuse someone there's a boxing gym or a biker bar in your town, find the biggest guy and have at it. Maybe you'll learn a lesson, but then again, maybe not.

[Eckswhyzed]

Draining Dragon wrote...

BryceH wrote...

Agree with you completely Stikman, just didn't want to make a pyramid.

Ignoring that kind of behavior often doesn't work, for a number of reasons. The worst being that if you do nothing and take no action, you're kicking it down the road for other people to deal with later.

Do people in Africa have it bad? Obviously. What has that got to do with this situation? Nothing. I'd like to see a woman saying "it's fine to threaten to rape a woman over a video game, and I'm fine with it continuing to happen". No big shock that the "just ignore it" crew is made up of boys.

If I were being immature, I would throw a fit over the fact that you just made a generalization based on sex.

But I won't. Instead, I'll say this: Think about the fact that A. This is the internet and B. This is a game. Are empty threats made by random ****s in an anonymous community something that should be frightening the recipient?

Ideally they shouldn't be frightening the recipient. However, it doesn't follow that we need to excuse their douchebaggery.

[121210Olivia]

deafglasses wrote...

Go figure a co-operative game fosters co-operative behavior.

The only bullying I saw was when a host refused to start a game because a low level N7 vanguard was playing Silver. So I gladly ruined his lobby with anime micspam.

How on earth do you consider that "bullying" ?

Total nonsense.

[Draining Dragon]

Eckswhyzed wrote...

Draining Dragon wrote...

BryceH wrote...

Agree with you completely Stikman, just didn't want to make a pyramid.

Ignoring that kind of behavior often doesn't work, for a number of reasons. The worst being that if you do nothing and take no action, you're kicking it down the road for other people to deal with later.

Do people in Africa have it bad? Obviously. What has that got to do with this situation? Nothing. I'd like to see a woman saying "it's fine to threaten to rape a woman over a video game, and I'm fine with it continuing to happen". No big shock that the "just ignore it" crew is made up of boys.

If I were being immature, I would throw a fit over the fact that you just made a generalization based on sex.

But I won't. Instead, I'll say this: Think about the fact that A. This is the internet and B. This is a game. Are empty threats made by random ****s in an anonymous community something that should be frightening the recipient?

Ideally they shouldn't be frightening the recipient. However, it doesn't follow that we need to excuse their douchebaggery.

I never said we need to excuse their douchebaggery, but it's hardly a huge issue.

[ufc345]

I'm not saying you shouldn't report them. I'm just saying don't feed them.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

It happens. If someone's bothering you, report them, block them, or ignore them.

[Credit2team]

ufc345 wrote...

I'm not saying you shouldn't report them. I'm just saying don't feed them.

generaly speeking I'd say bullying is attention seeking behavior so this would be sound advice in many cases, but in some cases the bully will keep on bullying till he/she will get some attention even if its negative. In these cases taking some sort of action would be apropriate. 

[RGB]

Draining Dragon wrote...

BryceH wrote...

Agree with you completely Stikman, just didn't want to make a pyramid.

Ignoring that kind of behavior often doesn't work, for a number of reasons. The worst being that if you do nothing and take no action, you're kicking it down the road for other people to deal with later.

Do people in Africa have it bad? Obviously. What has that got to do with this situation? Nothing. I'd like to see a woman saying "it's fine to threaten to rape a woman over a video game, and I'm fine with it continuing to happen". No big shock that the "just ignore it" crew is made up of boys.

If I were being immature, I would throw a fit over the fact that you just made a generalization based on sex.

But I won't. Instead, I'll say this: Think about the fact that A. This is the internet and B. This is a game. Are empty threats made by random ****s in an anonymous community something that should be frightening the recipient?

Yes.  I'm all for thick skin - and your apparent lack of it - but the issue isn't "how likely are they to follow through on these threats".  The issue is "is what they're saying appropriate and/or likely to cause some kind of psychological harm".

I'd make the same argument if the bullying were related to race, sexual orientation or anything else.  When I refer to people who dismiss awareness of the issue and a willingness to act on it as "boys", that's because they generally are.  "Boys" don't care about the kind of world other people live in.  "Boys" don't care if someone gets called a **** because hey, it's the internet.  "Boys" are willing to look the other way and call on those who suffer from institutional and societal discrimination to "get over it".

Which I think is what you were doing.  Feel free to correct me.

[GreenFalcon13]

Everyone's a tough guy on the internet (Well you understand) But yeah, The ME3 Community has been great, ocassionally I do here ocasional negative chatter, but I don't think is really been bullying. More like (Low skilled player) "this guy is seriously going platinum with no equipment" that sort of thing. Or general team fustration.

The reason why I feel those derogitory and neagtive comments are givin is becasue the demographic of video games really changed becasue, rated M games were meant for the age roup of 17. Kids would see their older brother/sister play these games would want to play them too. Then those kid's friends would see the younger sibling playing them and now they want play them. And the laungaue and mentality used by a later generation transends to the younger one. So kids who are 12, 14 etc.. playing these kinda games, are using language and terms that they do understand but are being misused as the games "sub-culture". They think it's cool to talk like that, tough.

Even me I always looked up to kids who were 2,3,5 years older than me. You do try to emulate them.

Anyway I'm no expert, thats my 2 cents.

This is also why I've only played mass effect for the past year. When Halo 4 came out I was like ehhh, I'm a fan I'll get it, and the community is so much more immature. Playing a video game proves nothing, being good at it, really means nothing... (just maybe insane eye-hand crodination) but having FUN with the video game without it being at the expense of the other person, but having fun with them, THAT's SOMETHING.

Modifié par GreenFalcon13, 13 mars 2013 - 11:55 .

[Bendigoe]

I never come across people bullying in ME3.
6/10 It's somebody talking about weed 

[Kinom001]

It's easy for someone to say "deal with it" when they're not the one being threatened with rape or worse. Empathy is a formidable means of understanding. People should try it. F*ck it, people should f'n use it.

Imagine if something like what was said to the lady in the video was said to your sister/mother/girlfriend/wife/daughter/niece? At what point are the words "deal with it" acceptable to say to them? My answer is never.

[Eckswhyzed]

Draining Dragon wrote...

Eckswhyzed wrote...

Draining Dragon wrote...

BryceH wrote...

Agree with you completely Stikman, just didn't want to make a pyramid.

Ignoring that kind of behavior often doesn't work, for a number of reasons. The worst being that if you do nothing and take no action, you're kicking it down the road for other people to deal with later.

Do people in Africa have it bad? Obviously. What has that got to do with this situation? Nothing. I'd like to see a woman saying "it's fine to threaten to rape a woman over a video game, and I'm fine with it continuing to happen". No big shock that the "just ignore it" crew is made up of boys.

If I were being immature, I would throw a fit over the fact that you just made a generalization based on sex.

But I won't. Instead, I'll say this: Think about the fact that A. This is the internet and B. This is a game. Are empty threats made by random ****s in an anonymous community something that should be frightening the recipient?

Ideally they shouldn't be frightening the recipient. However, it doesn't follow that we need to excuse their douchebaggery.

I never said we need to excuse their douchebaggery, but it's hardly a huge issue.

Perhaps I should clarify: We can still call them out on their douchebaggery.

[GreenFalcon13]

Kinom001 wrote...

It's easy for someone to say "deal with it" when they're not the one being threatened with rape or worse. Empathy is a formidable means of understanding. People should try it. F*ck it, people should f'n use it.

Imagine if something like what was said to the lady in the video was said to your sister/mother/girlfriend/wife/daughter/niece? At what point are the words "deal with it" acceptable to say to them? My answer is never.

THIS.

Hit the nail on the head. I agree People need to put theirselves in "other's shoes"

[HiddenInWar]

Abraham_uk wrote...


Have you encountered online bullying whilst playing Mass Effect 3?

No, thank god. The only comments I have recieved is a question on whether or not i would missle glitch in a gold lobby.

I find bullying others in ME3 multiplayer deplorable and hope everyone else feels the same.