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[Gyrefalcon]

CaptainBlackGold wrote...

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However, I am going to make a prediction; DA3 female armor will be more sexualized than most people who have posted on this thread would like because the BSN, no matter how devoted, are not the target market of Bioware games. While Bioware has shown an admirable sensitivity to modern social issues their job is to make games that sell - and sex sells games - especially to a more casual audience that may only play it once.

*snip*

Only slightly tongue in cheek.

I accept your challenge!  This bet is for $0.00, there is just acknowledgement of win.  BIoware is actually very aware of how many women are drawn to their games.  And I will tip the scales by adding that I have copies of Dragon Age:  Origins/Awakening for 2 systems and Dragon Age 2 for 3 systems.  I am a female and addicting other females to the series.  The thing that is sometimes overlooked is that, despite being a male-dominated market, R.P.G.'s inherantly appeal to women.  (Starting with table top versions and going into video game versions.)  Women like games that have a strong social aspect, where you can talk to people and attempt to find the best outcome without having a clear win/lose scenario (unlike racing and fighting games).  You would find that Legend of Zelda gained a lot of female followers in its day and Dragon Age is many caliburs above that. 

And having armor and characters that are relatable for the underserved market demographic may change this idiom.  Bioware certainly has made strides both in story and in its companions/love interests in their series.  I think they are willing to step back a little more from overt sexual to hinted at mystique which has an allure all its own.  Well...in armor anyway! 

MrFlipFlops wrote...

Gyrefalcon, thank you so much
for your input! While I myself take the matter fairly lightly, I did
intend this thread to serve as a place for people to make their voice
heard and it's all the better if this is something that is important to
you. So far it seems like the vast majority of posters here are on the
side of more serious plate armour for women.

Why stop with hats?
I demand mage pants! For too long have the gifted been marginalized by
societal convention and forced into skirts. Enough, I say! We want
Freedom! Justice! Trousers!

'Tis true.  'Tis a cold wind that blows over one's nethers in a robe.  Trousers for all who want trousers, robes for all who want robes!  Some weired mix for those who can't decide!  Rise up o' magically gifted and become masters of your own wardrobe!

[legbamel]

We need mage pants with capes, like the Jedi knights in SWTOR--the best of both worlds!

This topic has been remarkably civilized and entertaining without much creep or troll, much to my surprise. And the armor on the Psychology Today cover that Gyrefalcon posted? I would love to have that in-game. For those who missed it:

Modifié par legbamel, 17 mars 2013 - 03:51 .

[Oberkaiser]

Clearly, since OP doesn't have a problem with Isabela, the only answer is bikini armor for every female character regardless of class.

[Enkidu]

Oberkaiser, you missed my point a bit. The answer is, clearly, for every female character to be Isabela.

[Oberkaiser]

MrFlipFlops wrote...

Oberkaiser, you missed my point a bit. The answer is, clearly, for every female character to be Isabela.

I can live with that.

[Renmiri1]

Oberkaiser wrote...

MrFlipFlops wrote...

Oberkaiser, you missed my point a bit. The answer is, clearly, for every female character to be Isabela.

I can live with that.

You all like big boobs and you can not lie 

[otis0310]

This reminds me of my character in Skyrim. I hate the armor in that game, with all the fur and bulky plates. They look horrible so I look for an armor replacement on the skyrim nexus. Well I found a great one that I had to remove the scripts for but that isn't the point. The point is that at least 9 out of 10 armors there are "sexy", meaning the girl is fighting dragons in a bikini.

I am not a female myself, and like women as much as the next man. However, if I was a woman I would not fight a dragon with my breasts exposed like Amanda Peet in The Whole Nine Yards. The dragon is so anxiously looking at them that he lets down his defense and I run him through. Sorry, but that's not going to happen.

I like beautiful armor in the game, and my character to look good in it. But my female character running around the battlefield naked showing off her assets is just too much to bare (pun intended).

As for having Mamory Seperators, or breasts carved into the plate armor, I see nothing wrong with this.  Sometimes it makes ther amor more attractive, sometimes it looks silly.  Either way it has never bothered me, not liking wondering around in a bikini fighting dragons does.

Modifié par otis0310, 18 mars 2013 - 02:49 .

[inb4lock]

Oberkaiser wrote...

MrFlipFlops wrote...

Oberkaiser, you missed my point a bit. The answer is, clearly, for every female character to be Isabela.

I can live with that.

As long as it fits the character, I have no problem with this. The heck i can even live with Bethany sized boobs as logn as they are safe behind a non boob (uniboob?) plate armour if they are placed on a warrior ment to fight dragons.

[LilyasAvalon]

The only problem I really have with the flat plate like that is... well...

I can't speak for other women, but I've had one of those on, and I'm not exactly flat, and having the girls squashed up like that? It can HURT and be very uncomfortable. Same goes for binding. Same goes for using a bow, it's bloody uncomfortable.

We girls are exactly built to go into battle, that's a sad fact. I can now understand why the Amazons used to cut theirs off.

The ones like the cover of Psychology Today, where the chest area doesn't have a seperator and is more pointed in the front, with room for the girls, I'm ok with.

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 18 mars 2013 - 01:10 .

[Nerevar-as]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Oberkaiser wrote...

MrFlipFlops wrote...

Oberkaiser, you missed my point a bit. The answer is, clearly, for every female character to be Isabela.

I can live with that.

You all like big boobs and you can not lie 

Isabella´s are too big for my liking, I find medium size more attractive. I also hate her looks for a close quarter fighter, especially after a dev said there would be no Red Sonjas in the game. And considering how easily she went down, people who romanced her better like scars.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 18 mars 2013 - 01:51 .

[Nefla]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

The only problem I really have with the flat plate like that is... well...

I can't speak for other women, but I've had one of those on, and I'm not exactly flat, and having the girls squashed up like that? It can HURT and be very uncomfortable. Same goes for binding. Same goes for using a bow, it's bloody uncomfortable.

We girls are exactly built to go into battle, that's a sad fact. I can now understand why the Amazons used to cut theirs off.

The ones like the cover of Psychology Today, where the chest area doesn't have a seperator and is more pointed in the front, with room for the girls, I'm ok with.

Same here (with binding though instead of plate) and even with layers of tight, firm binding a 34 GG only got down to a DD, so I would not even be physically capable of wearing flat armor like that. Not to mention too tight and restrictive binding makes it very difficult to breathe and if you start to pant or hyperventilate you will pass out in the same way women with corsets used to faint from the "vapors" back in the day.

[Gyrefalcon]

Nefla wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

The only problem I really have with the flat plate like that is... well...

I can't speak for other women, but I've had one of those on, and I'm not exactly flat, and having the girls squashed up like that? It can HURT and be very uncomfortable. Same goes for binding. Same goes for using a bow, it's bloody uncomfortable.

We girls aren't exactly built to go into battle, that's a sad fact. I can now understand why the Amazons used to cut theirs off.

The ones like the cover of Psychology Today, where the chest area doesn't have a seperator and is more pointed in the front, with room for the girls, I'm ok with.

Same here (with binding though instead of plate) and even with layers of tight, firm binding a 34 GG only got down to a DD, so I would not even be physically capable of wearing flat armor like that. Not to mention too tight and restrictive binding makes it very difficult to breathe and if you start to pant or hyperventilate you will pass out in the same way women with corsets used to faint from the "vapors" back in the day.

Binding was really more for tales where a woman was trying to hide the fact that she was a girl so she could sneak off to fight.  It isnt' used in reinactment that I have ever come across.  It is just the same armor as the men, just a bit more roomy.  There are some "male" armor pieces where they try for a more heroic proportioned guy and give him a larger chest plate.  Those ones would work just fine for women as well, as long as they sit properly across the shoulders. 

Ah, this is pretty close.  See how it bows out in the front?  Perfect.  The only questions would be torso length and shoulder width.  Notice how it has adjustable straps at the top though.  That allows it to fit a lot more people. 

http://cdn103.ioffer...-belt-gifts.jpg

As for "sexy" armor, chain mail drapes over the form (but a chain mail shirt goes to the tops of your legs, they don't leave all of your vitals, i.e. midriff, exposed), and leather armor can be a bit more revealing of form than metal can.  And wearing armor is like being in a full-body snowsuit.  There is no sexy wiggle in it.  Ha ha ha. 

(I realize there is a bit much here in pics, but there are only 2 here for most of the armor types.)

Chain, chain drapes, it may compress a little but it takes on the form of the person:

http://i483.photobuc...se/DSC01280.jpg

http://th03.devianta...y_enginseer.jpg

Leather:
http://farm1.static...._961dfb36b1.jpg

http://www.policemag...volution-18.jpg

Scale does not work so well for "sexy" but good for fighting.  Left bottom on first pic for an actual female fighter geared up, the last 2 are about as sexy as scale gets, but I think they could look attractive and effective:

http://www.technozen...halor_group.jpg

http://scafighter.fi...id-img_2344.jpg

http://i132.photobuc...aarmorfront.jpg

http://i132.photobuc...raarmorback.jpg

But armor for rogues would!
http://media-cache-e...63be79b0129.jpg

http://nimg.sulekha....-28-15-22-5.jpg

And plate that isn't over-exaggerated could still be effective and look good:

http://i124.photobuc.../FemArmorII.jpg

http://212.227.150.1...41/P7020021.jpg

And I guess even the modern military are addressing the issue of the differences in male vs. female armor and are addressing it.  (Interesting what you find doing research.) 

I think we could use a second thread about improving mage robes and giving them some armor and way better hats, if head gear is a must.  Some of them were attractive, but if you want sexy, cloth is really your friend.

[Gyrefalcon]

Actually, if DA3 is heading to Orlais, rogues could get more into fencing gear clothing types and that can look good on anyone.

[Nefla]

I like fantasy armors like this: http://i38.photobuck...1.jpg?width=450 Molded boobs but obstruction between and above them so people who are super concerned with practicality (no channel to be stabbed in the neck) and people who want something prettier can compromise.

[Gyrefalcon]

Nefla wrote...

I like fantasy armors like this: http://i38.photobuck...1.jpg?width=450 Molded boobs but obstruction between and above them so people who are super concerned with practicality (no channel to be stabbed in the neck) and people who want something prettier can compromise.

That does work better.  If you follow where the sword would strike, it looks like it would be deflected instead of caught here.

[metatheurgist]

I love this picture.


I also like Alice's armor. There's no boobage but you wouldn't mistake her for a guy.

[Commander Kurt]

Nefla wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

The only problem I really have with the flat plate like that is... well...

I can't speak for other women, but I've had one of those on, and I'm not exactly flat, and having the girls squashed up like that? It can HURT and be very uncomfortable. Same goes for binding. Same goes for using a bow, it's bloody uncomfortable.

We girls are exactly built to go into battle, that's a sad fact. I can now understand why the Amazons used to cut theirs off.

The ones like the cover of Psychology Today, where the chest area doesn't have a seperator and is more pointed in the front, with room for the girls, I'm ok with.

Same here (with binding though instead of plate) and even with layers of tight, firm binding a 34 GG only got down to a DD, so I would not even be physically capable of wearing flat armor like that. Not to mention too tight and restrictive binding makes it very difficult to breathe and if you start to pant or hyperventilate you will pass out in the same way women with corsets used to faint from the "vapors" back in the day.

We girls, when physically fit for combat (there are no elite athletes sporting double G's), are a fair bit weaker than men but mostly it's the baby making getting in our way. We're built for battle just fine, even though we would very rarely excel at it.

I would probably need cheek separators myself, but luckily, there is no need for in-game armor to accommodate the junk in my trunk.

[AshenShug4r]

metatheurgist wrote...

I love this picture.

wow...

Suits her perfectly while looking completely realistic.

[Oberkaiser]

A woman in armor, realistic? Yeah, right.

[BeatoSama]

Certainly more realistic than dragons and magic.
http://www.higgins.o...menAndArmor.pdf
And this is not counting well documented examples like Onna-Bugeisha.

Modifié par BeatoSama, 19 mars 2013 - 12:03 .

[Oberkaiser]

BeatoSama wrote...

Certainly more realistic than dragons and magic.
http://www.higgins.o...menAndArmor.pdf
And this is not counting well documented examples like Onna-Bugeisha.

"Although generally men held knightly occupations, throughout history there are several legendary examples of women as warriors". So not only are these examples women wearing armor (most of them were just wearing it, not fighting in it - or fighting at all for that matter) extremely scarce, they are actually "legendary", meaning there may be some element of exaggeration to them. Is this supposed to make the case for female warriors?

Modifié par Oberkaiser, 19 mars 2013 - 12:59 .

[AshenShug4r]

Oberkaiser wrote...

A woman in armor, realistic? Yeah, right.

lol.

Okay, it looks like armor a woman would wear into battle, were she to do so.

[BeatoSama]

Yeah that's pretty much what I meant as well. While it was extremely uncommon there are documented examples of women wearing armor and they definitely didn't have boobcups,

[Elhanan]

BeatoSama wrote...

Yeah that's pretty much what I meant as well. While it was extremely uncommon there are documented examples of women wearing armor and they definitely didn't have boobcups,

Perhaps not seen on the exterior, but apparently interior padding may be customized to allow for comfort and better mobility (see modern body armor articles).