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[Direwolf0294]

The armour my female warden tank wore in DA:O didn't have boobs, and I remember thinking how awesome that was. Hopefully DA3 will take a similar approach.

[Dirgegun]

Didn't DA II handle the armour better and without boob plates? I understand the point of this thread, and agree that boob plates are ridiculous, but I think Bioware has already gotten rid of them, hasn't it?

Modifié par Dirgegun, 14 mars 2013 - 05:01 .

[brushyourteeth]

Dirgegun wrote...

Didn't DA II handle the armour better and without boob plates? I understand the point of this thread, and agree that boob plates are ridiculous, but I think Bioware has already gotten rid of them, hasn't it?

True, and I think the OP was encouraging the DAIII team to stay on that path. 

[Enkidu]

HJF4, you, sir, win the thread.

TheBreadedOne & Dirgegun, DAII did indeed do away with this odd tradition as I said at the end of my post. I probably should have brought it up at the beginning, but my dumb jokes didn't work well otherwise. The point of this is to encourage more of what DAII did with heavy armour in case it was done then to save time, instead of actual design reasons.

[Joe25]

I'm okay with more modest female armor. The armor on the right to me isn't sexy at all; it really just makes the wearer look chunky. I think if they just took the indent for the breast out, and didn't make the body model so "gifted" there wouldn't be anything sexiest about it. But, the next game is in Orlais so my for fun will hear a joke about some nobleman in a woman's breastplate (sorry for the joke just playing devil advocate).

[brushyourteeth]

In defense of Bioware, I will say that I've always felt they've done a great job in DA of letting women actually wear armor that's essentially the same thing as what the mens wear.

The armor boob curvage is a little silly and I could definitely do without it, but that's the closest they've gotten to *forcing* the pc to wear *sexy* armor, and it's not over the top -- just impractical.

[Enkidu]

brushyourteeth, I too always appreciated their approach to female apparel (Dalish armour notwithstanding). I may have overdone it, but the point of the thread was not to rag on them It's mostly me trying too hard to sound funny and congratulating the devs on not making the same mistake twice.

Modifié par MrFlipFlops, 14 mars 2013 - 05:22 .

[brushyourteeth]

MrFlipFlops wrote...

brushyourteeth, I too always appreciated their approach to female apparel (Dalish armour notwithstanding). I may have overdone it, but the point of the thread was not to rag on them It's mostly me trying too hard to sound funny

You've succeeded.

and congratulating the devs on not making the same mistake twice.

And I agree completely. Cheers!

[NovaBlastMarketing]

sighs another thread on practicality vrs Aesthetics.. my vote is always for the aesthetically pleasing version.

Modifié par NovaBlastMarketing, 14 mars 2013 - 05:51 .

[Renmiri1]

Andraste had a big pair...

[Jake Boone]

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...

sighs another thread on practicality vrs Aesthetics.. my vote is always for the aesthetically pleasing version.

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

[Enkidu]

NovaBlastMarketing wrote...
sighs another thread on practicality vrs Aesthetics.. my vote is always for the aesthetically pleasing version.

As is mine! But the heavy armours in DAO were actually neither. The breasts looked more odd than appealing.

Renmiri1 wrote...
Andraste had a big pair...

Booyah, finally a ****** joke! Our Lady was flaming hot all around, I hear.

Modifié par MrFlipFlops, 14 mars 2013 - 06:01 .

[The Hierophant]

MrFlipFlops wrote...

Rnmiri, booyah, finally a ****** joke! She was flaming hot all around, I hear.

That was a good laugh. 

At least DA hasn't featured high heeled plated boots so that's a plus, but i agree with the premise of this thread.

[CaptainBlackGold]

OK, I admit up front I know very little about plate armor design in our world. And since very, very few women ever had plate armor made for them, there is little historical precedence to draw on. At the same time, even if women in our world did have plate armor, they would not have had "Boob" plates just because of the morals of the times.

Having said that, in an alternate universe, just what is so ridiculous/monstrous or unthinkable about plate armor for woman being fashioned deliberately with breast protrusions? Everyone here seems to jump on the design just because they think it panders to adolescent male fantasies. But I could easily imagine a world where women warriors would want to have their armor designed to show that they are still female.

And in so far as the practicality; those rounded protuberances would seem to me to act like sloped armor in a modern tank, deflecting the blows away from critical areas. Plate armor was almost impervious to slashing and piercing weapons (swords and spears) which is why blunt force trauma weapons became popular.

So, apart from some people saying "It looks ridiculous" my question is "Why?" Providing a culture has the technology to create good, high quality steel and smith it into workable plate armor, why wouldn't some women opt for "feminine" looking armor?

Sorry, I am just not seeing the value of this argument other than some people prefer a different sort of aesthetic over another. Saying "It looks silly" just does not cut it when the whole concept of a 120 pound woman wearing 90 pounds of plate armor is silly in the first place.

Not trying to troll, or flame anyone here, honestly.

[jkflipflopDAO]

I just wish armor was actual armor on your character and didn't bend and stretch when your character turns and moves.

[BeatoSama]

They also got rid of the light and dalish female armor both which seemed to be tailored to being stabbed in the chest.

[Enkidu]

CaptainBlackGold, it does smack a bit of the "elf redesign" arguments, doesn't it? The point of the thing is "it doesn't look nice enough". I never pretended there to be some great far-reaching value for the things I advocate here, but the change to convex plates instead of breast compartments would make some people happy, while others wouldn't really lose anything of great value.

I suppose there really isn't much beyond that to it. However, that does not mean the point should simply not be made. Change is good, especially of the kind that harms no one while helping others have a better time. That is really all I want. I'm not asking everyone to suddenly care and take up arms to fight this great injustice, but I do want to bring this admittedly frivolous issue to the dev's attention. I and other people think it would be an improvement, while we have yet to hear a clear dissenting vote for how the change will make anything worse.

jkflipflopDAO, mother of god, yes! I understand that it's the limitations of the engine, but it doesn't make it look any less ridiculous. Rubber armours do give me a laugh sometimes, so there is that.

Modifié par MrFlipFlops, 14 mars 2013 - 06:38 .

[CaptainBlackGold]

MrFlipFlops wrote...

CaptainBlackGold, it does smack a bit of the "elf redesign" arguments, doesn't it? The point of the thing is "it doesn't look nice enough". I never pretended there to be some great far-reaching value for the things I advocate here, but the change to convex plates instead of breast compartments would make some people happy, while others wouldn't really lose anything of great value.

I suppose there really isn't much beyond that to it. However, that does not mean the point should simply not be made. Change is good, especially of the kind that harms no one while helping others have a better time. That is really all I want. I'm not asking everyone to suddenly care and take up arms to fight this great injustice, but I do want to bring this admittedly frivolous issue to the dev's attention. I and other people think it would be an improvement, while we have yet to hear a clear dissenting vote for how the change will make anything worse.

jkflipflopDAO, mother of god, yes! I understand that it's the limitations of the engine, but it doesn't make it look any less ridiculous. Rubber armours do give me a laugh sometimes, so there is that.

I appreciate where you are coming from here - but I was a little confused by the arguments being offered criticizing the practicality of the "boob plate" where it seemed the issue was not aesthetics, but somehow "ridiculous."

Personal opinion; things which are well designed to work within natural laws tend to have an elegance that we call "beautiful." Since plate armor was never really designed for women, we have very few, if any, actual images we can use. But I can imagine a world where such armor was developed, over centuries, refined, etc. and it resulting in something both of us would enjoy.

This is one of the reasons I hate the grossly over-sized weapons inspired by anime - swords, real swords, swords made for actual combat, are elegant, sleek, and yes, beautiful. War axes and hammers, likewise - real world examples are incredible looking pieces of lethal technology.

So, for what it is worth, I am all in favor of designing armors (heck, I've modded out all the female armors in my DA games anyway) that look both practical and beautiful - but I just don't think the problem is the "boob plate" but that the artists have very little knowledge of what actually made armor functional in the first place. The "looks cool" factor seems to be the dominant goal.

[Shelondias]

play a dwarf, problem solved.

[Enkidu]

CaptainBlackGold, I actually tried not to bring up practicality or realism for the exact purpose of avoiding this confusion. It seems that my personal type of overplayed drama in the guise of humour doesn't translate well to text. Doesn't really work that well in real life either, come to think of it.

I did edit the OP with a link that HJF4 provided in this here thread. If you are interested in the finer points of reality and beautiful design of female armour I strongly suggest you check it out.

[Gibb_Shepard]

They're obviously separated to prevent rashes and let air flow through the inner breast. If i had mammaries, i couldn't imagine them rubbing up against each other like a couple of horny teenagers. I'd buy mammary separators in a heart beat.

[Kidd]

Before this thread, I never imagined what putting on boob plate would feel like. The thread has robbed me of my innocence.
(It did not feel good )

[Enkidu]

Gibb_Shepard, you have a point. Touching breasts - absolutely disgusting.

KiddDaBeauty, imagine how it would feel to take off such armour after an entire day of hard adventuring.

[karushna5]

I have to say, that I really like feminine armor and in fact all my feminist blood fires up when I see a feminine but not revealing armor. I adored Meridith's armor, and my version of the perfect female armor is near to the new Alice in Wonderland movie. I understand you feel that it would be better without it but I feel that while change is good, change should not be arbitrary. You and others feel it takes away, and I can understand that, but others, like myself, enjoy the current design. At this point it really is the devs sense of taste and what they like better.

[Kidd]

MrFlipFlops wrote...

KiddDaBeauty, imagine how it would feel to take off such armour after an entire day of hard adventuring.

You keep delivering. And I'm not sure I like it