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[Enkidu]

karushna5, with such things there is always the issue of personal taste. However, I would like to clarify that I'm in no way against more feminine armour, I just want it to be implemented in a less lazy and in-your-face way. I really love the Meredith armour too and the get-up from Alice was the only thing I liked about the movie. Those designs are exactly what I'm trying to push for here. Convex chestplates, a finer waste - all great attributes for female armour. Boob cups are not. I would also like to direct you to the link beneath the image in the OP where the topic is addressed in a more in-depth manner with actual illustrations for potential designs. I'm all pro current (DAII) design, as was said in the OP. The point of the thread is to show appreciation for it and illustrate its superiority over the DAO variant.

Modifié par MrFlipFlops, 14 mars 2013 - 07:38 .

[karushna5]

I don't find them terrible and I like it in some ways, I don't feel it is lazy, in fact it would be less work to do it your way, I don't think it is fair to call them lazy they work really hard, but I do think, especially in a video game where the pixels are unclear and the screen several feet from my eyes some things like the cups you mention isn't that terrible.

I actually read it, was pretty good, but even she said the fully armored woman picture with cups was...fine. And I do need to apologize as I misunderstood your post to say that the current ones were inadequate. I really admire what Bioware has done with gender concepts over the years, I just hope they don't get too swamped with things that are needed for such and such reason. I think some give and pull is necessary with them sometimes. And yet they still go the distance when it comes to equality, it means so much when they do, I just worry they will be expected to in every case.

[KiwiQuiche]

Indeed. I would rather my female PC have bigger muscles than bigger boobs. After all, it's kinda painful to watch Hawke strut about with noodle arms. True, she wasn't as bad as Femshep, but she had incredibly poor muscle definition.

Also, having armour curve around boobs weakens the metal/protection, so it's impractical. Seriously, it's like they think we won't understand someone is female unless they have visual boobage.

[Enkidu]

karushna5, I do suppose lazy was a bad choice. Uninspired, maybe? And I do not mean that as an objective quality, but just as what they seem like to me. And screen and pixel size are too big a variable to talk about XDD Some people game away from a small-pixeled screen and some sit with their nose pressed right up against a PC monitor the size of a car, the lucky bastards.

I don't think it's wrong to expect them to do great things for equality in every case. It would be wrong to condemn them for not doing so, they are only human, but just expecting and encouraging it should be fine.

[Blazomancer]

I agree with you MrFlipFlops. I found the massive armor breastplates in Origins like the WC armor much more gorgeous and attractive than the heavy and medium counterparts with cups. I can understand the need to have a convex design, but molding the breastplate into cups just seems to be a waste of time for the armorer.

[Uccio]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

tbf you would imagine armour made for a woman would have room for breasts, otherwise it would get very tight and sweaty......

nevermind

You've clearly never touched a pair of ****** if you don't realize how much they can compact.

It feels like bag of sand when you touch it.

[caradoc2000]

For cryin' out... is this what BSN has come to? :D

[Enkidu]

caradoc2000, what are you talking about? Ridiculously in-depth discussions of boobs are quite at home here, I think.

[caradoc2000]

MrFlipFlops wrote...

quite at home here

This is the part what really worries me.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy female anatomy, but really...

[Yrkoon]

I love threads like this. But it's always boob plate vs. Non. No one ever laments the fact that Bioware has never, in any of their games,  encorporated cod pieces in their male plate armor. I find that interesting and mildly amusing.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 14 mars 2013 - 09:45 .

[Wulfram]

If there's no gratuitously exposed flesh on the female armour, then I count it a win. Boob armour might be silly, but it's only really silly after you give it some thought. It's not obviously silly on the first look, which makes it a lot better than a lot of fantasy armour.

But I approve of DA2 not doing it very much.

[Enkidu]

caradoc2000, ah, but why? This is such a nice, safe and friendly place. Where else are people supposed to go to discuss breasts? And derail their own threads, apparently.

Yrkoon, I lament that the Dalish light armour for males does not match the female version. Those boys should be walking around in nothing but leather skirts. If you would like to start a campaign for more codpieces - power to ya. May I suggest "Serve the Sausage" as a name?

[Uccio]

Boob armour was a bit silly but Isabela's no armour at all was even sillier. "No pants" gives very little protection against pointy things.

[Blackrising]

OP, I gotta say your first post there made me laugh out loud.

On topic: I completly agree. Not only did the boob plate look ridiculous, I was constantly worried for my dear Warden. Imagine she falls and lands on her front. The middle of the breastplate might possibly break her breast bone. Not to mention that the..uh...breast departments are not exactly tailored to fit every size. Got larger than average breasts? Sucks to be you. Got smaller than average breasts? Sucks to be you!

Honestly, I always thought that the female armour should look like the male armor, torso-wise. But that may be because I imagine female warriors to be quite fit and we all know that more muscles = smaller boobs. Also, since Thedas probably doesn't have bras, I always thought the female fighters would bind them.

I'm satisfied with the way they've handled it in DA2, though.

[katiebour]

 
Game of Thrones:  Brienne of Tarth.  (You're doing it right.)



The Messenger:  Joan of Arc (You're doing it right.)

http://ts4.mm.bing.n...377119&pid=15.1

Red Sonja:  Title character.  (She gets hamstrung or her femoral artery cut, or maybe they go for her exposed arms or neck, but at least she's showing T&A, right?  tl;dr:  YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.)

Keep up the good work Bioware.  These ladies belong on the battlefield:








And this one belongs in the brothel:


Let's not confuse the two! 

[Enkidu]

Blackrising, ah, it's good to know that I didn't sacrifice actually making my point clearly for nothing XDD At least someone got a laugh out of my brand of dramatic humour

But Thedas does too have bras! In fact, they are so important to the world's culture that women refuse to take them off even during sex.

katiebour BAM said the lady, you just made my point for me, just more clearly and with less half-bakes jokes! Thank you. DA2 armours are a definite improvement for the ladies.

[Sir George Parr]

Female Hawke's armour was how to do it right. It was practical and functional and not about T & A. It was a refreshing change from Origins and Skyrim. Even Female Hawke's body was a vast improvement over the model used in Origins. So whoever at Bioware was responsible for this i would say your doing a good job.No doubt that there is room for improvement but by and large DA2 was doing things right in this department.

[nightscrawl]

MrFlipFlops wrote...

I am bothered because they are just mind-numbingly ridiculous and stupid. I like the ladies to look good, but this does just doesn’t.

I agree. In fact, it's a strong element preventing me from making another female warrior in DAO. The plate armor in DA2 was much better. I like my ladies to look sexy, even in armor, and I don't necessarily mind unrealistic or impractical armor. The boob plates ARE UGLY. I'm with the OP, please don't do them again.

That said OP, the leather and plate armor in DA2 was a step in the right direction. Are you worried they will veer away from that in DA3?

[Enkidu]

nightscrawl, ooh, I knew I didn't catch all of my stupid miss-types. Fixed now.
Same here. I just modded the game to hell and don't use vanilla heavy armours for my female warriors. It's okay to want to make all armour look good and attractive, this is a fantasy after all, but there are ways to do it right and ways to do it wrong. Boob cups are the latter.

That is exactly my concern and the point of all this hullabaloo. I loved what they did with female armours in DA2 and would like to see more of that.

[Firky]

Well. I haven't really ruminated on the physics of the situation, but a friend linked me to this.

http://martwhim.tumb...-plate-armor-so

[Harle Cerulean]

Ukki wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

tbf you would imagine armour made for a woman would have room for breasts, otherwise it would get very tight and sweaty......

nevermind

You've clearly never touched a pair of ****** if you don't realize how much they can compact.

It feels like bag of sand when you touch it.

Wet sand or dry sand?  Because the former is just terrifying.  If you've ever poked a breast and your fingerprint stayed... there's something wrong.   (And the latter isn't much better.  Mine certainly don't feel grainy.)

[Yrkoon]

MrFlipFlops wrote...
Yrkoon, I lament that the Dalish light armour for males does not match the female version.

And thank god for that.  I can think of nothing more absurd than if my male  Warden waded into battle sporting women's clothes.

 If you would like to start a campaign for more codpieces - power to ya. May I suggest "Serve the Sausage" as a name?

No.  In the spirit of equality to this thread, I would  title  mine "Penal Compartmentalization"  lol.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 14 mars 2013 - 12:11 .

[Uccio]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

Ukki wrote...

Harle Cerulean wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

tbf you would imagine armour made for a woman would have room for breasts, otherwise it would get very tight and sweaty......

nevermind

You've clearly never touched a pair of ****** if you don't realize how much they can compact.

It feels like bag of sand when you touch it.

Wet sand or dry sand?  Because the former is just terrifying.  If you've ever poked a breast and your fingerprint stayed... there's something wrong.   (And the latter isn't much better.  Mine certainly don't feel grainy.)

It´s a reference. 

As a breast- man myself I´m quite familiar with the texture. 

[Enkidu]

Yrkoon, and that is not to my tastes as well. But a nice loincloth for the gents to go alongside the Dalish leather bras for the ladies would be entertaining.

Well, now that it's decided go ye Yrkoon, go and campaign! Those codpieces won't appear in the game otherwise. You are our last hope to stand for what's right and pure.

Modifié par MrFlipFlops, 14 mars 2013 - 12:46 .

[Yrkoon]

lol

Is that what this thread is about? Some pretentious internet campaign against boob-armor?   That seems kinda pointless, considering where you are. As you (and many others here) have already pointed out, Bioware got the message long ago. DA2 is remarkably void of dual-breasted shaped Armors. The only related silliness they still employ is their "iconic" sex-based stuff (e.g. Isabela's outfit, or for you ladies: Varric's hairy open chest) yet, hardly peep about that is coming from you campaigners.   What's the point in making  all of a game's Armor pieces unisex when  that game is just gonna have NPCs  who   leap into battle in their cleavage and  thongs?

Modifié par Yrkoon, 14 mars 2013 - 01:39 .