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[Fiddles dee dee]

Agree completely OP.

Modifié par Fiddles dee dee, 15 mars 2013 - 03:52 .

[Chipaway111]

BeatoSama wrote...

You'd also be wearing thick clothing under the armor which would flatten the boobs anyway which means that the boob cups on the armor wouldn't have much boob inside them.

And the Ashley redesign is a prime exaple on how to not please your female fanbase.

The only thing that annoyed me about Ash's redesign is that they seemed to keep all the sexy armor (Imo, don't eat me) as far away from Shepard as possible. I nearly broke my game trying to mod her armor onto my femShep before I sulkily gave up. 

[inb4lock]

Chipaway111 wrote...

BeatoSama wrote...

You'd also be wearing thick clothing under the armor which would flatten the boobs anyway which means that the boob cups on the armor wouldn't have much boob inside them.

And the Ashley redesign is a prime exaple on how to not please your female fanbase.

The only thing that annoyed me about Ash's redesign is that they seemed to keep all the sexy armor (Imo, don't eat me) as far away from Shepard as possible. I nearly broke my game trying to mod her armor onto my femShep before I sulkily gave up. 

Let me start with the fact that I am a straight male, in the age group that boob armour and Mirandas clothes is designed for. (Which i btw hated, along with the high heels for combat that BW for some odd reason seems to love.)

But I have to agree with this, boob armour seems ridiculous to me. If I were to come acros some one in BA on the battle field I would angle my blow so it either got deflected to  the sternum or got caught in the crevise beneath the boobs thereby delivering the full impact.

Hinting at boobs in ME is, I think a bit more alloved since armour ment to resist bullets not swords. Though i still think Ashleys change sucked. She is a soldier, not a playboy bunny.

[KiwiQuiche]

Lol Ash is a hilarious example of how the ME team seemed to think a woman with her hair tied up in sensible armour was unappealing, so they gave her "sex appeal" by having her hair obscure most of the left side of her face while wearing dress armour with garters and high-heels.


Bad form, Bioware, bad form.

Hopefully the DAI aren't as shallow as the ME bunch were and let us keep sensibly armoured ladies and they don't automatically assume strong, well-equipped ladies who are practically dressed as unappealing. Heck, I know a lot of people who wished they could romance Aveline.

[Blackrising]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Lol Ash is a hilarious example of how the ME team seemed to think a woman with her hair tied up in sensible armour was unappealing, so they gave her "sex appeal" by having her hair obscure most of the left side of her face while wearing dress armour with garters and high-heels.


Bad form, Bioware, bad form.

Hopefully the DAI aren't as shallow as the ME bunch were and let us keep sensibly armoured ladies and they don't automatically assume strong, well-equipped ladies who are practically dressed as unappealing. Heck, I know a lot of people who wished they could romance Aveline.

*raises hand* Eyeeup.

There is more than one way to appear sexy and appealing. Maybe it's just me, but I've grown very tired of all those heavy-makeup, tight-clothes, duck-face girls running around. A woman dressed in a loose sweatshirt, jeans and sneakers is a lot sexier to me than any of those wannabe Paris Hiltons.

Same thing with video games. Characters that don't mean to be often turn out to be the most appealing.

[Sir George Parr]

Ash was more appealing in sensible armour and her hair tied up, She was certainly more realistic and believable that way. But i always felt that her make over was done for the wrong reasons as in they needed someone to fill in for Miranda.
i've said it before and i'll say it again with Ashley it really was a case of 'If it ain't broke don't fix it '. I to wished Aveline could have being a potential romance for Hawke. But it was better that she had a life of her own.

Modifié par XM-417, 15 mars 2013 - 06:42 .

[Chipaway111]

I really don't think Ash was so bad, yes she got sexier, but by no means trashier. Sure it's not as 'sensible' but to hell with that I stand by my statement (did I make one? Well I'm making one now!) that I like her redesign, I didn't hate her look before either I just liked how she seemed much more, um, sleek? Now. The hair, the armour, the make up, I loved it all.

And yeah, I'm a straight female if that somehow lends any weight to what I just said. That's for a different discussion though, I tend to get off topic... sigh. So umm, yeah, how about that boob armour huh?

[inb4lock]

Chipaway111 wrote...
And yeah, I'm a straight female if that somehow lends any weight to what I just said. That's for a different discussion though, I tend to get off topic... sigh. So umm, yeah, how about that boob armour huh?

The only reason I wrote that was to point out the fact that there are some (actually, if the BSN is a reliable source, then it is alot) of the persons for whom she was changed who did not like the change. I think that perhaps those who do the character design forget to take into account that we (sometimes) want more than T&A. (We have EDI for that.)

I think the DA2 team remembered that, at least I think that Bethany's boobs were a side remark at women in games, as well as a way of telling us something about Varrick's character.. Though I have to admit I use the Bethany boob mod. :innocent:

Modifié par inb4lock, 15 mars 2013 - 02:07 .

[Beerfish]

Ash, like any woman was appealing because she was pretty. she was nice looking with short hair and with long hair. Comments about fan service because long hair is 'more schmexy' is flat out wrong.

[inb4lock]

Beerfish wrote...

Ash, like any woman was appealing because she was pretty. she was nice looking with short hair and with long hair. Comments about fan service because long hair is 'more schmexy' is flat out wrong.

Then why change her? If it aint broklen, don't break it....

She even stated in ME1 that she though anything but heavy armour in combat was silly.

Modifié par inb4lock, 15 mars 2013 - 02:33 .

[Beerfish]

inb4lock wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

Ash, like any woman was appealing because she was pretty. she was nice looking with short hair and with long hair. Comments about fan service because long hair is 'more schmexy' is flat out wrong.

Then why change her? If it aint broklen, don't break it....

She even stated in ME1 that she though anything but heavy armour in combat was silly.

Why change it?

- People actually do change their hair styles over time, especially women, even if it isn't broke.
- People often change the way they look when they move up the ranks of whatever job they have.  Ashley was no longer a low level grunt fighter in ME3.

[CuriousArtemis]

Yeah I would be embarrassed to wear the DA:O armor lol Like I want those things outlined in iron or steel and protruding out for the world to see? Geez. I already bind the damn things up as tight as can be so they don't get in the bloody way.

[Elhanan]

Find it somewhat amusing the US Army is developing new female body armor with curves, inspired by Xena: Warrior Princess....

[stormhit]

inb4lock wrote...
Then why change her? If it aint broklen, don't break it....

She even stated in ME1 that she though anything but heavy armour in combat was silly.

With no input from the player, she wears combat armor on the Mars mission. That sort of shows that her preferences haven't changed, and I don't think it's a personality conflict for her to wear something else while lounging around the ship.

Modifié par stormhit13, 15 mars 2013 - 05:08 .

[inb4lock]

stormhit13 wrote...

inb4lock wrote...
Then why change her? If it aint broklen, don't break it....

She even stated in ME1 that she though anything but heavy armour in combat was silly.

With no input from the player, she wears combat armor on the Mars mission. That sort of shows that her preferences haven't changed, and I don't think it's a personality conflict for her to wear something else while lounging around the ship.

I haven't seen that since I always get her in armour the first chance I get. Then if I could just get her old bun back when in armour I would be happy.

[syllogi]

Elhanan wrote...

Find it somewhat amusing the US Army is developing new female body armor with curves, inspired by Xena: Warrior Princess....

If you actually look at what they designed, however, it's more about following the natural curves of a woman's body, and not about the style:  http://www.army.mil/article/87464/

I'm all for character models for female armor that aren't just resized male armor models, even if they don't have boob cups or are skintight, since yeah, women's bodies aren't the same as men's.  It's kind of like the problem I had with the party outfit in Mark of the Assassin; the upper body part for female characters looks a lot like it's just the men's version resized, and not made specifically for a female model (and yes, I could be wrong about this, but that was my impression from the way it "fit" on the model).  I didn't need a unique dress (and honestly, it was kind of frustrating that many people thought that complaints about that outfit were about wanting to be a pretty princess), I just wanted a model that was designed thoughtfully for a female character.

So yeah, it's great that the US Army made these changes for female soldiers, and as seen in the article linked above, it's possible to design specifically for female bodies without designing for sex appeal.

[Renmiri1]

syllogi wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

Find it somewhat amusing the US Army is developing new female body armor with curves, inspired by Xena: Warrior Princess....

If you actually look at what they designed, however, it's more about following the natural curves of a woman's body, and not about the style:  http://www.army.mil/article/87464/

*snip*

So yeah, it's great that the US Army made these changes for female soldiers, and as seen in the article linked above, it's possible to design specifically for female bodies without designing for sex appeal.

Cool!

And wow, didn't know it was that bad

"Women were having a real problem with the fit of the IOTV," said Lynn Hennessey, lead designer for the female body armor prototype being tested at Fort Campbell. "The size extra-small was too large for 85 percent of the females, so they weren't getting a good fit. It was too loose and too long."

That left vulnerabilities where the body armor left gaps, particularly under the arms. But it also made the vests uncomfortable enough to affect performance, Hennessey explained.

In some cases, women were reporting bruising on their hip bones because the side plates dragged down to their hips, she said. "And when they were sitting down, it was riding up to their chins, because the torso was so long."

Modifié par Renmiri1, 15 mars 2013 - 06:40 .

[Iakus]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Lol Ash is a hilarious example of how the ME team seemed to think a woman with her hair tied up in sensible armour was unappealing, so they gave her "sex appeal" by having her hair obscure most of the left side of her face while wearing dress armour with garters and high-heels.


Bad form, Bioware, bad form.

Hopefully the DAI aren't as shallow as the ME bunch were and let us keep sensibly armoured ladies and they don't automatically assume strong, well-equipped ladies who are practically dressed as unappealing. Heck, I know a lot of people who wished they could romance Aveline.

This.

Stylish and practical are not mutually exclusive.  Less ME3 Ashley and more Aveline, please.

[Maverick827]

Please tell me I'm not the first to point out how hilarious it is that the OP of a thread about mammaries is named MrFlipFlops?

[Jean]

 While not armored boob cup holders per se, some DAO mage robes had boob circles to compensate. 

[Masha Potato]

Blackrising wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Lol Ash is a hilarious example of how the ME team seemed to think a woman with her hair tied up in sensible armour was unappealing, so they gave her "sex appeal" by having her hair obscure most of the left side of her face while wearing dress armour with garters and high-heels.


Bad form, Bioware, bad form.

Hopefully the DAI aren't as shallow as the ME bunch were and let us keep sensibly armoured ladies and they don't automatically assume strong, well-equipped ladies who are practically dressed as unappealing. Heck, I know a lot of people who wished they could romance Aveline.

*raises hand* Eyeeup.

There is more than one way to appear sexy and appealing. Maybe it's just me, but I've grown very tired of all those heavy-makeup, tight-clothes, duck-face girls running around. A woman dressed in a loose sweatshirt, jeans and sneakers is a lot sexier to me than any of those wannabe Paris Hiltons.

Same thing with video games. Characters that don't mean to be often turn out to be the most appealing.

I'd love to live to see the day when the way a woman looks wouldn't be singularly regarded from the "does it appeal to men/is sexy?" perspective but simply from "does it mesh well with her character?" or any other point of view really.  

Designing characters specifically to give them sex appeal, be it high heels or hoodie and jeans, is simply wrong. This is why you're wrong vidyagame industry. And the comments in ME3 art book were simply a slap in the face. Duh

[Solmanian]

I'm actualy annoyed that male charecter wearing heavy armour don't have cod pieces. It's a very importent piece of armour that is still used to these days.

[legbamel]

Yeah, whatever happened to the man-baskets of ME1? Even the Blood Dragon Armor had one.

At least some of the armor had protective metal flaps over the chain miniskirts.

Modifié par legbamel, 16 mars 2013 - 01:11 .

[StElmo]

Totally agree. Male-style chestplate armour for both male and female, most women could comfortably fit in male armor anyway, it doesn't make much sense to add boobs to it.

Modifié par StElmo, 16 mars 2013 - 09:33 .

[StElmo]

I heard boob plates could crack your chestbone too. That makes me feel queezy, please don't have boob plates devs!, it gives me empathy pains just thinking about falling on that kind of armor :S.

DA2 had some great armors though, I don't think I saw many if any boob armors? It was great.

Modifié par StElmo, 16 mars 2013 - 09:34 .