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[Arppis]

Uniboob is the way to victory then?

[Enkidu]

Arppis, yes. Harnessing the power of breasts without wasting it, the uniboob is is a united front. It takes all boob strength and consolidates it into one single entity, the alpha and omega of boobs, a veritable black hole where the sheer amount of boob collapses upon itself and creates an infinite pool of energy. Do not separate your breasts. Go uniboob.

[Maria Caliban]

It's an intelligent, sensible topic about Mammary Separators by a thread starter named 'Mr. FlipFlops.' I'd have never thought it.

As to the topic:

Plate mail with boobs looks ugly. It tends to break the line of whatever symbols or ornamentation is on the breastplate as well. I agree with the Mr. FlipFlops.

[OrbitalWings]

Must say, I'm really impressed to see most people agreeing on this. But I guess there are reasons against it regardless of where peoples' priorities lie.

From an aesthetic point of view, it looks silly and unnecessary.

From a realism point of view, it would be downright dangerous. Whether the attacking weapon is directed to the sternum or gets wedged into the underboob, it would give their oponent perfect places to attack.

And the crazy thing is - it would be easier from a design POV - you could just take the male version and slightly resize it, just as DAO and DA2 did with some of the larger armors.

[Enkidu]

Maria Caliban, I could have chosen the handle "Mr. Thongs" but that would have made things worse, I think. Also, kinda regretting indulging the uniboob poster with my dumb jokes now that you called my thread "intelligent and sensible".

That is also a point I can't believe I forgot to bring up. The stretching of the form so much does disrupt any fine details engraved on the armour, making it even uglier.

[Blackrising]

Masha Potato wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Lol Ash is a hilarious example of how the ME team seemed to think a woman with her hair tied up in sensible armour was unappealing, so they gave her "sex appeal" by having her hair obscure most of the left side of her face while wearing dress armour with garters and high-heels.


Bad form, Bioware, bad form.

Hopefully the DAI aren't as shallow as the ME bunch were and let us keep sensibly armoured ladies and they don't automatically assume strong, well-equipped ladies who are practically dressed as unappealing. Heck, I know a lot of people who wished they could romance Aveline.

*raises hand* Eyeeup.

There is more than one way to appear sexy and appealing. Maybe it's just me, but I've grown very tired of all those heavy-makeup, tight-clothes, duck-face girls running around. A woman dressed in a loose sweatshirt, jeans and sneakers is a lot sexier to me than any of those wannabe Paris Hiltons.

Same thing with video games. Characters that don't mean to be often turn out to be the most appealing.

I'd love to live to see the day when the way a woman looks wouldn't be singularly regarded from the "does it appeal to men/is sexy?" perspective but simply from "does it mesh well with her character?" or any other point of view really.  

Designing characters specifically to give them sex appeal, be it high heels or hoodie and jeans, is simply wrong. This is why you're wrong vidyagame industry. And the comments in ME3 art book were simply a slap in the face. Duh

I actually agree with you.
I was just trying to make clear that 'sexy' does not automatically mean 'dressed in less clothes than necessary'. Female characters will ALWAYS be designed to appeal to the audience, no matter if it's a video game or a movie. That may be wrong, yes, but that's not going to change anytime soon. At the same time, males are also designed that way. Why do you think James in ME3 had on a skin-tight shirt that showed off his muscles?
Sex sells. And it's probably going to stay that way.
Unfortunate, yes, but something I can live with if it's done in a subtle manner rather than shoved in my face (a.k.a. ME3 Ashley).

[StElmo]

Metal-Dragon-Kiryu wrote...

Must say, I'm really impressed to see most people agreeing on this. But I guess there are reasons against it regardless of where peoples' priorities lie.

From an aesthetic point of view, it looks silly and unnecessary.

From a realism point of view, it would be downright dangerous. Whether the attacking weapon is directed to the sternum or gets wedged into the underboob, it would give their oponent perfect places to attack.

And the crazy thing is - it would be easier from a design POV - you could just take the male version and slightly resize it, just as DAO and DA2 did with some of the larger armors.

Couldn't agree more have a +1

[philippe willaume]

MrFlipFlops wrote...

Maria Caliban, I could have chosen the handle "Mr. Thongs" but that would have made things worse, I think. Also, kinda regretting indulging the uniboob poster with my dumb jokes now that you called my thread "intelligent and sensible".

That is also a point I can't believe I forgot to bring up. The stretching of the form so much does disrupt any fine details engraved on the armour, making it even uglier.

Funny is not mutually exclusive with intelligent and sensible, you know.

Fundamentally i agree with Blackrising. The only difference is that i dont mind sex or that it sells. it is objectification that bothers me.
so i don't mind isabella in a reavealing outfit, because that fits the char. Now if you want to have aveline or even merill in a skimpy outfit, it need to be explained to me why there is such a departure of the character.

It is a bit as if 16th century cod pieces or  a mister Christy-like lunch boxes where an inherent feature of man depiction in the game.


it works if it is only a country that is based on 1500-1550 europe.

phil

[Pups_of_war_76]

StElmo wrote...

Totally agree. Male-style chestplate armour for both male and female, most women could comfortably fit in male armor anyway,

Good point. 

Part of the problem is that this is Video-game land, where every women is modeled as a size double-Dee. 

[nicethugbert]

I want to see tripple boobage, with spikes.

[Corker]

Vajraja wrote...

What would be nice for the next DA is options. Where you can have armor that is sexier or not and you can choose how you want it to look for your character.

Maybe there could be a toggle...  :innocent:

[TheJediSaint]

Corker wrote...

Vajraja wrote...

What would be nice for the next DA is options. Where you can have armor that is sexier or not and you can choose how you want it to look for your character.

Maybe there could be a toggle...  :innocent:

Or perhaps you could have differnt styles of female armor.  Some being more practical while others being more "decorated".

Modifié par TheJediSaint, 16 mars 2013 - 07:22 .

[New Display Name]

TheJediSaint wrote...

Corker wrote...

Vajraja wrote...

What would be nice for the next DA is options. Where you can have armor that is sexier or not and you can choose how you want it to look for your character.

Maybe there could be a toggle...  :innocent:

Or perhaps you could have differnt styles of femal armor.  Some being more practical while others being more "decorated".

Only if it's the same for males.

[TheJediSaint]

HJF4 wrote...

TheJediSaint wrote...

Corker wrote...

Vajraja wrote...

What would be nice for the next DA is options. Where you can have armor that is sexier or not and you can choose how you want it to look for your character.

Maybe there could be a toggle...  :innocent:

Or perhaps you could have differnt styles of femal armor.  Some being more practical while others being more "decorated".

Only if it's the same for males.

I think that's a given.

[Renmiri1]

The boob / codpiece toggle ?

It should be named "Flip Flop"

Modifié par Renmiri1, 16 mars 2013 - 07:34 .

[Fredward]

I'm just swinging by to say the OP was epic.

As you were.

[Medhia Nox]

Didn't read this entire super thrilling topic of ultimate importance - but... aren't the boobs on the boob armor WAY too low? Maybe it's been mentioned - but after looking at them again - they weirded me out.  They're at the poor woman's elbows!

Also - I'm fairly certain real armor for females (what little was made) was never made with sword/axe/mace catchers... I mean, boob appliances. 

Also - codpieces - codpieces for everyone.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 16 mars 2013 - 08:21 .

[CaptainBlackGold]

This has been a fun topic to discuss; both on the practical side as well as the aesthetic. It has also been interesting to see how many people really dislike "boob armor."

However, I am going to make a prediction; DA3 female armor will be more sexualized than most people who have posted on this thread would like because the BSN, no matter how devoted, are not the target market of Bioware games. While Bioware has shown an admirable sensitivity to modern social issues their job is to make games that sell - and sex sells games - especially to a more casual audience that may only play it once.

Sexual dimorphism in armor design is one way of making the game look appealing to the casual player. So just like ninja jumping rogues, over-sized swords, and super-endowed female models, I suspect that something just as unappealing (to most posters on this thread) as "boob armor" will be standard.

You read it here first, folks...

Only slightly tongue in cheek.

[Enkidu]

I would be honoured to lend my noble name to the Codpiece/Boob Toggle. The next thread I make shall be about its implementation and I would welcome all of your support. Let's tell Bioware what we really want! Codpieces and Boobies for everyone!

Foopydoopydoo, thank you, I used all my best words when creating it.

Medhia Nox, they are too low and it disturbed me greatly upon first seeing the armour. It's like they were trying to make it terrible all along.

CaptainBlackGold, you keep your realism out of the codpiece/boob thread!
In all seriousness, though, I am not so sure that you are correct. They did do away with the wretched things in DAII, which suggests that sexual dimorphism in armour isn't really that important to the ka-ching equation.
But we will have to just wait and see.

Modifié par MrFlipFlops, 16 mars 2013 - 08:55 .

[brushyourteeth]

MrFlipFlops wrote...

I would be honoured to lend my noble name to the Codpiece/Boob Toggle. The next thread I make shall be about its implementation and I would welcome all of your support. Let's tell Bioware what we really want! Codpieces and Boobies for everyone!
 

Maker, I hope the underlined was intentional. 

[CaptainBlackGold]

MrFlipFlops wrote...

SNIP

CaptainBlackGold, you keep your realism out of the codpiece/boob thread!
In all seriousness, though, I am not so sure that you are correct. They did do away with the wretched things in DAII, which suggests that sexual dimorphism in armour isn't really that important to the ka-ching equation.
But we will have to just wait and see.

You are correct; we'll have to see. I might suggest that DA2 certainly appeared to have been rushed - and not all that well received. Thus the armor designs were a little lacking (though I appreciated the occasional option for Mage pants!) 

Hence, Bioware might well think that DA3 must become a resounding success (i.e., sell many, many copies). To faciliate that success, the armor styles may pander to the lowest common denominator.

Anyways, since everyone has been so nice on this thread, I'll lend my support to a "boob/codpiece" toggle - while codpieces are not my cup of tea, I want to be as inclusive as possible.

But can we at least all agree that silly mage hats must be burnt with fire?

[Dorrieb]

Queen Elizabeth at Tilbury (from the film):

http://www.google.co...iAwAA&iact=rics

[Gyrefalcon]

Howlsfury wrote...

metatheurgist wrote...

unbentbuzzkill wrote...

ok.......how do you know boobs can be squished into armor, last time i checked I haven't seen any women wearing armor lately.

Some LARPers go the whole distance with their costumes. There are also medieval re-construction groups (who make their own armor and arms to spec) and then beat each other up in organised tourneys. I believe there are some women that participate.

 

This pic is a pretty good example of full plate armor, but having done S.C.A. fighting before as a female, I will weigh in a bit on the topic.  It isn't exactly frivolous when it is something that is on the screen a lot and can jar the player out of game immersion.  I'm rather glad the topic came up even though Bioware has done efforts to improve it.  It does not mean there isn't room for further improvement.  A good breastplate is solid, has room for your chest, and won't wind up cutting into you if it does take a dent or a cut.  The "separate cups" really is terrible because one blow to the sternum is likely to kill you, but a blow on the side is also likely to deform these "form fitting" pieces so that you are taking an injury right off the bat.  Bruising or bleeding saps you, that is a bad thing when you are in a long fight.  And since it is your life on the line...you wouldn't wear it. 

The best breastplate a group of us came across laid comfortably across the shoulders and could be adjusted some by straps (it included a back plate as well by the way).  It bowed outward at a low angle and came back in towards the belly/waist.  There was ample space to move, to wear padded armor beneath, and even allowed some "breathing" (i.e. you would be able to catch a breeze if you lifted your arms).  The most interesting thing was that *this* armor managed to fit 3-4 of us and we had rather different sized torsos and chests.  Usually, it is more of a custom-made kind of thing.  But having the right amount of space in it allows it to be more versatile.  And yes, wearing ANY armor and fighting leads to sweating.  The joke is that you can tell which way the wind is blowing by watching the armored fighters between bouts of combat trying to get the breeze to pass through the chinks in the armor.

The best image I have seen for real women's armor was on the front of a copy of Psychology Today.  I will try to provide a link to the image below.  Replace the -dot- with an actual period and you can see the pic.  The blog is from a nun so it should be safe enough.    Make the front jut out a bit more and you will have a good idea of what this particular breast-plate was like. 
http://anunslife-dot...ology-today.jpg

So kudos for starting this thread, even though you meant it in a mostly light-hearted manner.  It is something that was bothering me but I wasn't willing to stick my neck out to bring up.  Hopefully we will see female armor that neither crushes the chest flat (which is uncomfortable) nor attempts to be showy but non-functional.  I appreciated the improvements, but there is room for continued improvement on the look of armor for women.  And hats for mages!  I think the mages rebelled from being forced to wear pompoms on top after the age of 14. 

[Enkidu]

Gyrefalcon, thank you so much for your input! While I myself take the matter fairly lightly, I did intend this thread to serve as a place for people to make their voice heard and it's all the better if this is something that is important to you. So far it seems like the vast majority of posters here are on the side of more serious plate armour for women.

Why stop with hats? I demand mage pants! For too long have the gifted been marginalized by societal convention and forced into skirts. Enough, I say! We want Freedom! Justice! Trousers!