Steelcan wrote...
http://m.youtube.com...h?v=IcOmUS_a_f0
For anyone who believes the Catalyst
Fixers0 wrote...
Enjoy your brainwashed galaxy.
thou shalt be glad of thy master's punishment for it is deserved and it improves thee"Fixers0 wrote...
Enjoy your brainwashed galaxy.
Guanxii wrote...
Enjoy your future. It's going to be fantastic.
Wayning_Star wrote...
thou shalt be glad of thy master's punishment for it is deserved and it improves thee"Fixers0 wrote...
Enjoy your brainwashed galaxy.
Auld Wulf wrote...
It's not removing their differences so much as removing their limitations, and that's a fantastic message.Nerevar-as wrote...
Synthesis... the only way different beings will understand and be at peace with each other is to forcibly remove their differences (here making them of the same nature). Hell of a message.
I've said this before and I'll say it again; as a person with a debilitating illness which severely limits what I'm able to do in day to day life, I find that Synthesis is the only ending I can personally relate to. In a way, I see Joker as me in the Mass Effect Universe, somewhat more capable and less ill, but a good proxy. He suffers with brittle bone disease and he feels limited in what he's able to do because of that.
The small victories he's achieved were dictated by what his body could do. It was a bittersweet note in Citadel that Joker dances the same way as Shepard, and that this is why he hadn't wanted to dance. EDI had to coerce him, and when I saw that it just tugged on my heartstrings. In a way, people like Joker are my people, because I understand how frustrating life is for them when they have an illness that medical science has no cure for.
I felt that, according to my own perceptions, the Destroy ending was selfish. Did I want Shepard to live? I guess, but what's the cost? Another person here mentioned the currency you're paying for a potential continuation of Shepard. That price included the geth and EDI as nothing more than currency, without actually considering how it would affect the Universe. In my Universe, the geth were helping the quarians adjust to their homeworld again, and I could see how EDI was helping Joker to cope with day to day life. I know how it's like to have someone who helps you deal with how frustrating life is when you have a debilitating illness from first-hand experience.
Trust me when I say that if I had my coping mechanisms taken away from me, I would end up feeling very suicidal. I know Joker would be the same way. So why would I take EDI from him? Why do that? I couldn't be that selfish. Maybe others can, but I couldn't. It's just not in me, I can't do that. I wanted a better Universe for everyone, so I examined the other endings. Control is a good option and I have nothing against, but I just felt that it didn't go far enough, quick enough. I felt people had suffered enough.
By picking Synthesis I could allow quarians to remove their suits that day. By picking Synthesis I could allow EDI to experience true emotions that day. By picking Synthesis I could present Joker with a cure that day. By picking Synthesis I could create lasting galactic empathy that day.
What Synthesis does (as stated by the Catalyst) is remove limitations of organics and synthetics. That's not removing differences -- unless you have a very hierarchical mindset that perceives the only differences between people as 'better people' and 'worse people.' So no, people still have choice. A carpenter will still be different from a politician. An artist will still be different from a pilot. A turian will still be different from a krogan. You can clearly see that differences are still present in the ending, but limitations are gone.
With limitations gone, I was happy. It sat well with me, EDI and Joker could live a full life, now. EDI was able to understand love and Joker no longer had brittle bone disease. There was freedom in this. Joker could now choose his future, he wasn't shackled and oppressed by nature, he had the right now to choose his own destiny. And he could learn how to dance it up with the best of them if he so desired. That made Synthesis right. That made Synthesis just. If you have ever experienced suffering beyond a broken shoe or a hangnail, suffering as I have, then Synthesis is good for the soul. And provides happiness for the soulsick.
I don't expect everyone to understand this perspective, but it is my perspective. It's the perspective of someone who isn't the same as everyone else.
I hope one day people will understand why I'm so passionate about it rather than seeing that I'm not just "in it to win it" as some are. I have my doubts, but I always have my hopes.
Fixers0 wrote...
Wayning_Star wrote...
thou shalt be glad of thy master's punishment for it is deserved and it improves thee"Fixers0 wrote...
Enjoy your brainwashed galaxy.
But Shepard's no master, he's just a piece on the board.
Modifié par Wayning_Star, 14 mars 2013 - 02:01 .
BD Manchild wrote...
Now that is an incredibly weak argument if I ever heard one. Christ, you would have to be unfathomably ignorant to hear the word "synthetics" and not think of the Geth and EDI. The Catalyst says "all synthetics will be targetted" by a weapon designed to destroy the Reapers. The Geth and EDI are synthetic, ergo they will also be destroyed. You know full well what will happen if you pick Destroy, so no; you can't tell me it's not deliberate.
Frankly speaking, regardless of which ending you choose, you're embracing the Reapers' methods as the only viable way to end the war. It's a basic storytelling rule; the minute the antagonist's ideology is deemed to have more worth than the protagonist's, then the antagonist has won. Yeah, I said it; regardless of which choice you make, the Reapers have won.
78stonewobble wrote...
Frankly speaking, regardless of which ending you choose, you're embracing the Reapers' methods as the only viable way to end the war. It's a basic storytelling rule; the minute the antagonist's ideology is deemed to have more worth than the protagonist's, then the antagonist has won. Yeah, I said it; regardless of which choice you make, the Reapers have won.
Wayning_Star wrote...
we cannot have it both ways, be Shep and then only a piece on the board. The decision is Sheps as the catalyst is trusted to carry them/it out via the crucible. There is no underlying plot, only the chaos and harvest to stop, completely or not. Either stop it or delay it for someone else to configure the MEU. The IT is dead, long live the IT?
Auld Wulf wrote...
It's not removing their differences so much as removing their limitations, and that's a fantastic message.
I've said this before and I'll say it again; as a person with a debilitating illness which severely limits what I'm able to do in day to day life, I find that Synthesis is the only ending I can personally relate to. In a way, I see Joker as me in the Mass Effect Universe, somewhat more capable and less ill, but a good proxy. He suffers with brittle bone disease and he feels limited in what he's able to do because of that.
The small victories he's achieved were dictated by what his body could do. It was a bittersweet note in Citadel that Joker dances the same way as Shepard, and that this is why he hadn't wanted to dance. EDI had to coerce him, and when I saw that it just tugged on my heartstrings. In a way, people like Joker are my people, because I understand how frustrating life is for them when they have an illness that medical science has no cure for.
I felt that, according to my own perceptions, the Destroy ending was selfish. Did I want Shepard to live? I guess, but what's the cost? Another person here mentioned the currency you're paying for a potential continuation of Shepard. That price included the geth and EDI as nothing more than currency, without actually considering how it would affect the Universe. In my Universe, the geth were helping the quarians adjust to their homeworld again, and I could see how EDI was helping Joker to cope with day to day life. I know how it's like to have someone who helps you deal with how frustrating life is when you have a debilitating illness from first-hand experience.
Trust me when I say that if I had my coping mechanisms taken away from me, I would end up feeling very suicidal. I know Joker would be the same way. So why would I take EDI from him? Why do that? I couldn't be that selfish. Maybe others can, but I couldn't. It's just not in me, I can't do that. I wanted a better Universe for everyone, so I examined the other endings. Control is a good option and I have nothing against, but I just felt that it didn't go far enough, quick enough. I felt people had suffered enough.
By picking Synthesis I could allow quarians to remove their suits that day. By picking Synthesis I could allow EDI to experience true emotions that day. By picking Synthesis I could present Joker with a cure that day. By picking Synthesis I could create lasting galactic empathy that day.
What Synthesis does (as stated by the Catalyst) is remove limitations of organics and synthetics. That's not removing differences -- unless you have a very hierarchical mindset that perceives the only differences between people as 'better people' and 'worse people.' So no, people still have choice. A carpenter will still be different from a politician. An artist will still be different from a pilot. A turian will still be different from a krogan. You can clearly see that differences are still present in the ending, but limitations are gone.
With limitations gone, I was happy. It sat well with me, EDI and Joker could live a full life, now. EDI was able to understand love and Joker no longer had brittle bone disease. There was freedom in this. Joker could now choose his future, he wasn't shackled and oppressed by nature, he had the right now to choose his own destiny. And he could learn how to dance it up with the best of them if he so desired. That made Synthesis right. That made Synthesis just. If you have ever experienced suffering beyond a broken shoe or a hangnail, suffering as I have, then Synthesis is good for the soul. And provides happiness for the soulsick.
I don't expect everyone to understand this perspective, but it is my perspective. It's the perspective of someone who isn't the same as everyone else.
I hope one day people will understand why I'm so passionate about it rather than seeing that I'm not just "in it to win it" as some are. I have my doubts, but I always have my hopes.
Steelcan wrote...
No you don't know it will happen. "All synthetics will be targeted" not, "All synthetics will be killed". And to be perfectly honest I couldn't care less about the fates of EDI and the geth. The geth were lucky to live past Rannoch.
The Reapers have in no way won in Destroy. At all. They are all dead, dead, dead.
Modifié par BD Manchild, 14 mars 2013 - 02:41 .
Fixers0 wrote...
Enjoy your brainwashed galaxy.
"Friendship and morality do not matter, your allies are merely tools to use against the Reapers." And yes, killing people does end conflict. That's how conflicts end. There can't be a reaper war if all the reapers are dead.BD Manchild wrote...
And no, you don't win in Destroy because, by choosing it, you're agreeing that slaughtering entire races - races that are supposed to be allies, no less - is an acceptable means of ending a conflict, just like with Control you're justifying how the Reapers control and indoctrinate others, and in Synthesis you're justifying their pursuit in making others like them. No matter which ending you pick, the Reapers' values override your own, which automatically means that they win. Doesn't matter if they're dead; they're laughing at you from beyond the grave. They've made you into one of them.
But **** it, it's all a moot point anyway as it sounds like you wanted the Geth to die anyway. If that was the case why not let them die on Rannoch and be done with it?
Steelcan wrote...
"Friendship and morality do not matter, your allies are merely tools to use against the Reapers." And yes, killing people does end conflict. That's how conflicts end. There can't be a reaper war if all the reapers are dead.
And that's hardly a "reaper" value. Shepard could have exterminated up to 5 species by then. Its always been an acceptable strategy for Shepard. maybe not paragons though.
The Reapers aren't laying they are dead, we are not. We won. They haven't done anything to me, I just beat them.
. Not my fault you can't see things from a renegade point of view. And reportedBD Manchild wrote...
Steelcan wrote...
"Friendship and morality do not matter, your allies are merely tools to use against the Reapers." And yes, killing people does end conflict. That's how conflicts end. There can't be a reaper war if all the reapers are dead.
And that's hardly a "reaper" value. Shepard could have exterminated up to 5 species by then. Its always been an acceptable strategy for Shepard. maybe not paragons though.
The Reapers aren't laying they are dead, we are not. We won. They haven't done anything to me, I just beat them.
Oh **** it, I'm done here. It's like talking to a horse's vagina.
Steelcan wrote...
Not my fault you can't see things from a renegade point of view. And reported
Modifié par BD Manchild, 14 mars 2013 - 02:48 .
Steelcan wrote...
"Friendship and morality do not matter, your allies are merely tools to use against the Reapers." And yes, killing people does end conflict. That's how conflicts end. There can't be a reaper war if all the reapers are dead.BD Manchild wrote...
And no, you don't win in Destroy because, by choosing it, you're agreeing that slaughtering entire races - races that are supposed to be allies, no less - is an acceptable means of ending a conflict, just like with Control you're justifying how the Reapers control and indoctrinate others, and in Synthesis you're justifying their pursuit in making others like them. No matter which ending you pick, the Reapers' values override your own, which automatically means that they win. Doesn't matter if they're dead; they're laughing at you from beyond the grave. They've made you into one of them.
But **** it, it's all a moot point anyway as it sounds like you wanted the Geth to die anyway. If that was the case why not let them die on Rannoch and be done with it?
And that's hardly a "reaper" value. Shepard could have exterminated up to 5 species by then. Its always been an acceptable strategy for Shepard. maybe not paragons though.
The Reapers aren't laying they are dead, we are not. We won. They haven't done anything to me, I just beat them.
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