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Was Citadel DLC really Shepard in Heaven? Heaven Theory! ~*&confirmed!!*


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 Despite providing an enjoyable experience, narrative issues exist with Citadel DLC, especially within the context of the main plot ....

(1) Why the partying during a war? (2) Why is there seemingly no concern from the people on the Citadel about the ongoing war? (3) Was not Miranda just assaulted before the player invites her over to the apartment and the party? (4) Back on the ship, there is no mention of any of the Citadel DLC events that took place, whereas Leviathan (which involved the squad) had plenty of it, & etc.

I hit on an idea... what if this is actually Shepard's afterlife?

"The patterns are there, buried in the data" ...
Enter Heaven Theory! :wizard:


I.) So, What's The Story?


--> Clone!Shep: judgement:devil:

The first part of this DLC is a confrontation with... yourself! A pure evil version of you. See, Clone!Shep represents part of your past, the things you did that were more naughty than nice.  You, the player-controlled character, are the good side of Shepard that was fighting for everything good and just in the world (notice how there are no unsavory actions that Shepard is capable of making in this DLC?!).

Maya Brooks? She's the devil himself, deceiving and misleading you and trying to let the evil win!


--> Silversun/Apartment: heaven!! :innocent:

Upon successfully winning the fight against the devil and evil, you go to heaven. Yayy! Among a wide variety of entertainment options available right at your fingertips, Shepard naturally spends that time with the people that matter most to him/her as well. I mean, c'mon! Isn't it obvious what's going on here??


II.) Proof Points:

--> Anderson: says that, the longer he's on Earth, the less he wants to leave. No sane person would say that. Earth is getting screwed by the Reapers in the game. He's in another dimmension, his own little heaven, obviously. And what else would he be doing than living a life of action, that's who he is. Even the Codex says as much, if you appointed him councilor (he stepped down to do more "active" things).
--> Placement: Completing the game takes you right back to whatever you did before Cronos Station, so you'd experience Citadel DLC in its entirety after you died.
`-> Placement (#2): Also interestingly, there is 0 mention of the events of anything that happens in Citadel DLC back on the ship afterwards, despite the fact that all VA's were back for recording this. 0 mention of the firefight that took place on the ship, the time you spent with a squadmate, or the party itself... back on the Normandy.
... I guess the best explanation for this is that Citadel DLC, if played along with the vanilla game, is just Shepard having visions of his afterlife to be!
--> Citadel Archives: where you find out the truth/greatest secrets of the galaxy that none have ever known. C'mon!! This is so obviously the truth of the universe being revealed to you, dead guy!!
--> Garrus: Where did he say he'd meet you in human/turian heaven, and where do you meet him in the Citadel?
--> Brightness: the graphics of the locations in Citadel DLC are 5% brighter than they are in the ME3 main-game. Obviously, a place like heaven would be very bright and shiny.
--> Vorcha: they are like little devils, which is why you keep losing whenever you try to play their game, they are a small portion of hell/punishment in your afterlife.
--> Glyph: surprised by his sudden relevance? What you don't know is this, Glyph is little more than "an angel guiding your path through the land of the dead to the Valhalla party hall. Rejoice, warriors and party hard!" special thanks to jstme for pointing this one out, page-2 of this thread.
--> (& possibly more to come!)


III.) FAQ:

1.) What if it's strongly suggested that my Shepard survived the war after picking High-EMS Destroy?

Even if Shepard did survive the war, he/she is going to die someday. This takes place after Shepard died, whenever that may have been exactly.


2.) Why should I believe this if I'm an atheist and/or don't believe in an afterlife?

This story is set in an alternate-universe, so what we know/don't know to be true of "real-life" need not apply. Ergo, God/afterlife can exist there, even if it doesn't exist here. Otherwise, everything you were told - from biotics to medigel to hawt alien secks - was a lie. You don't want that, do you?


3.) If it's an afterlife, why are none of the dead squad-members present?

Player punishment/reward system. You lose some, your heaven experience is not as rich. From an in-world explanation, Shepard is not quite ready to face those failures of his past. Especially, think about it, why should Fail!Sheps get the same awesome experience as one who saved everyone possible? Again, this Citadel DLC presents only a myopic/introductory story of Shepard in heaven. So, sometime down the line, Shepard will "face it" and get those friends back. However, that's down the line, and not within the span of events we get to experience.


4.) Why are there references to a Reaper war going on if this takes place after it?

Well, you see, Shepard and his squad are all soldiers by trade. Their heaven is never gonna be peaceful, it's gonna be a place where they can still go out, kick ass, and take names. So they're heaven is supposed in an eternal state of "perfect insanity." Same deal with the other citizens. Clearly, most of them are former soldiers. They live on, doing the thing they enjoy. They think there's still a war they have to go out and fight in, otherwise, this would be no heaven for them.


IV.) tl;dr: the battle with Clone!Shep is evil-Shep vs. good-Shep, and after the good-Shep wins the fight, Shepard can enjoy the paradise that is Silversun Strip and the Apartment (with varying degrees of reward, based on prior success/failure). BioWare published this DLC with the intent of some players treating it like their ending.


V.) BioWare Confirmation.

Yes, we have it!

HYR 2.0 wrote...

 http://social.biowar.../index/16471000


As indicated in this thread, BioWare all but confirmed the validity of Heaven Theory.





'Hope you enjoyed the read. Spread the word! Tell your friends about Heaven Theory!! :happy:

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 15 avril 2013 - 05:59 .


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lol

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And this guy hates DDR theory... O_O

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 14 mars 2013 - 04:23 .


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What about the snacks?! What do they represent?

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My day is now complete.

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Citadel was more like player in heaven.

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Applepie_Svk wrote...

And this guy hates DDR theory... O_O


lol, didn't read.

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Team BirdSallSa strikes again

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IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

Team BirdSallSa strikes again


Never that Buzz Killington.

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Hmm...

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HYR 2.0 wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

And this guy hates DDR theory... O_O


lol, didn't read.


you heartless bastard ! :crying: :lol:

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No.

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Right up there with the bird man, HYR.

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Finn the Jakey wrote...

No.


You know who else said "no" like that?

THE ILLUSIVE MAN!! 

U 1Nd0xtriinx0rrrxxxxxxxxxxx!!!!!!!! :devil:

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I should go.

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dreamgazer wrote...

Right up there with the bird man, HYR.



... I'm now beginning to think I timed this poorly. :(

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Lol this was fun to read

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Or maybe it's more like the last season of Lost....********SPOILERS AHEAD**********






....where the side universe exists as kind of a purgatory for the characters to go to when they die so that they can all wait for each other and then enter the "afterlife" (whatever that is) together. In that sense, the party would take place after all the characters have died, and when the party is over and they all head to the Normandy, it's like they are all "moving on" together.
I hated it when Lost did this, but I kind of like this as an interpretation for the Citadel DLC.

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haha brilliant not sure whether to applaud your imagination on this one or not (not sure if its a joke either tbh)

Shepard had not died and gone to heaven because the plot location of the Citadel DLC is before the attack on Cronos Station so how could Shepard be dead if Shepard not even attempted to retake earth yet.

if you were really wanting to use a heaven theory the best you can do is when Shepard died in ME2 saying he was not brought back to life by Cerberus but rather in Limbo being tested to see if Shepard goes to Heaven or Hell

but I did make that one up on the spot and I do not believe for a second. (you are free to use it however)

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please no more theories, indoctrination was probably the best we'll ever hear about but even that didn't turn out to be true.

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Interesting theory, but one problem, Stargazer wouldn't know of the events that happened in the Citadel DLC.

Modifié par Enhanced, 14 mars 2013 - 04:49 .


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TomY90 wrote...

haha brilliant not sure whether to applaud your imagination on this one or not (not sure if its a joke either tbh)


I hit upon this idea sometime ago and wanted to see how far I could go with it.

It's stupid, but let me indulge my creatimagination.

(I couldn't decide whether to say "creativity" or "imagination" ... so I *lol* synthesized *lol* them).


Shepard had not died and gone to heaven because the plot location of the Citadel DLC is before the attack on Cronos Station so how could Shepard be dead if Shepard not even attempted to retake earth yet.

if you were really wanting to use a heaven theory the best you can do is when Shepard died in ME2 saying he was not brought back to life by Cerberus but rather in Limbo being tested to see if Shepard goes to Heaven or Hell

but I did make that one up on the spot and I do not believe for a second. (you are free to use it however)


I assert that it works best if you play through the whole game without it, then do it when it resets you to pre-Cronos (effectively making it become the "real" epilogue to the story).

I actually haven't done that, myself, but 'will try it next time to see if the effect really works.

:wizard:

Modifié par HYR 2.0, 14 mars 2013 - 04:52 .


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If I had £1 for every good idea in this thread...

I'd be in debt. £1.

Modifié par RussianZombeh, 14 mars 2013 - 04:57 .


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:lol::lol: