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[o Ventus]

Eterna5 wrote...

Reap_ii wrote...

ending still sits way outside of ME thematically. it still just doesn't make sense.

It does fit themeatically and it does make sense. 

So a "problem" that has been subverted numerous times and was in no way at all related to the Reapers until the Catalyst tells you "makes sense", and is "thematically consistent"?

This is why you aren't a writer.

[Eterna]

moater boat wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

moater boat wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...



Prove to me that Reapers have eyes, they have lights that mimic eyes, but prove to me they see as organics do?

Science isn't your strong point, is it?


This is the solar spectrum. Right smack dab in the middle is the visible spectrum. Now, none of us can of course PROVE that Reapers can, or cannot, detect all these wavelengths, however, suggesting that Reapers lack the ability to detect the visible part of the spectrum is like saying that the reapers can't detect radio waves, or gamma rays, or infrared. There is absolutely NO LOGICAL REASON why a god-cyborg that has had millions of years to modify and improve itself would not be able to detect every part of this spectrum. To leave any gaps would be foolish, and would make no sense whatsoever. If Reapers have the technology to make these DNA altering nanites you talk about they would be able to make sensors that can see that wavelength.

Says science isn't my strong point------> Presents Science, but uses Headcannon to prove his viewpoint.

You're legit. 

I didn't use any headcannon. I stated FACTS, and then I drew a logical conclusion from those facts. 

No you didn't. Nothing you said proves scientificly that reapers can see as organics do. Instead you just made the assumption that the Catalyst would have desinged them as such. 

I mean don't get me wrong, you presented science, but you in no way used that science to disprove my assertion. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 15 mars 2013 - 12:33 .

[katamuro]

Why would a giant sentient spaceship need eyes? It has sensors, all kinds of sensors to detect all kinds of wavelengths.

As to OP, I am not angry anymore and I loved Citadel but I still think that Citadel should have come after the ending.

[Riot86]

IanPolaris wrote...

Not only that but it also begs the question of why go to earth at all?  Why not simply go in under stealth, send a strike team to Illos and use the Conduit and avoid the Reaper forces altogether (except those that may be on the  Citadel).  At the very least a good reason why this wasn't an option should have been stated.  [IIRC the Devs for ME3 admitted that they simply forgot about the conduit.  Yeash.....do these Devs read their own lore?]

Wasn't it stated in ME 2 that the Council send a team to investigate Ilos but the power supply of the underground bunker had run out, making the Conduit unusable? Or did that only affectt Vigil? I'm really not sure anymore how that conversation went...


But yeah, I agree on the rest of your post. If the Reaper IFF works so well, why was the Destroyer on Tuchanka a thread in the first place? Just sneak up on it and blast it away from behind. And if survives the first few hits and tries to shoot back at the other "Reaper" (= Normandy) just fly away out of its sensor reach, wait a few seconds, turn around and repeat the process until it is destroyed

Modifié par Riot86, 15 mars 2013 - 12:45 .

[Maxster_]

Ownedbacon wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Ownedbacon wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Ownedbacon wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

EC made the endings worse for me. Am I the only one who feels that way?

Well having the Normandy get out of a space fire-fight, land in full view of Harbinger and not get shot at once while picking up your injured squad is pretty much head-desk EPIC FAIL imo.

-Polaris

Reaper IFF. At multiple points in the game EDI mentions that the Normandy is effectively disguised as a Reaper on scanners. Also, Nowhere does it even say Reapers have eyes, they most likely see through scanning their environment. 

Except when you're in the galaxy map and alert them. They enter the system and hunt you down. Why wouldn't the disguise still work? They could scan and find only Reapers, what would make them pursue you if they didn't have any other ways to recognize the Normandy as an enemy?

 The IFF is a costume, when the Nomrandy emits a pulse it is pretty much screaming "I am not a Reaper!".  That is why they only chase you after scanning for a bit. 

How can they pinpoint which vessel emitted the pulse if they aren't in the system? From what you're saying they only scan, and the Reaper IFF fools those scans. So unknowing of which vessel emitted those scan pulses how could they pinpoint exactly since other Reaper ships arrived in that system as well? The Normandy could have very well been just another Reaper ship on patrol after those pulses emitted.

Emitting scans pinpoints the exact location of the vessel that emmited it. 

I emit scans, stop scanning and leave that specific area, how else could the Reapers determine for sure if the Normandy was that ship that emitted those scans if the IFF fools them so well? There could have been another ship that sent scans out in the area and the Normandy could have just been another Reaper investigating.

I have a hard time believing the IFF fooled Harbinger so well, if he's scanning couldn't say "Hey whats that Reaper unloading organic troops for?" Why is it floating there and not assisting me? The Reapers are just dumbed down in ME3 couldn't it just as well communicate with fellow Reapers, and by the Normandy not responding like a Reaper know it isn't one?

More funny is, that intrasystem travel is on FTL, and in case of SR-2, it is undetectable when exiting FTL. Therefore, there is no way reapers could ever detect Normandy, nor following it.
Reaper-chase minigame is a lore-butchering nonsense.

And of course, with IFF working that way, as it described by EAWare defenders(which "explanation", btw, is pure nonsense and garbage) - there is absolutely no reason for Priority:Earth to happen. And this makes every character even more dumb.
Of course, there was never any reason for ground assault part of Priority:Earth, everyone who read ME codex about space combat and planetary assault would get that immediately. There is no ground solution for a space problem, and any officer character, proposing that nonsense, is portraying himself as utter moron.

[Maxster_]

IanPolaris wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

EC made the endings worse for me. Am I the only one who feels that way?

Well having the Normandy get out of a space fire-fight, land in full view of Harbinger and not get shot at once while picking up your injured squad is pretty much head-desk EPIC FAIL imo.

-Polaris

This is the most idiotic scene in entire series. Especially with EDI and renegade shepard.
That's an order, EDI. A moral one.

Anyway, Priority:Earth is one big plothole. There is no reason for Harbringer to descend, he can one-shot entire offensive with his main gun right from orbit.

But more idiotic, of course, is an idea, that Reapers are incapable to detect objects. Right. They then are incapable of space combat, with ranges of tens of thousands of kilometers, against moving targets. They are incapable of orbital bombardment. Heh, even simply navigation is impossible.
Whoever proposing that pathetic excuse for garbage writing, is having no idea about ME lore. Or common sense, for that matters.
Especially funny with all Normandy's stealth system is capable of - is to hide(for a while) heat emissions. And that's all.

[RedBeardJim]

Maxster_ wrote...

Ownedbacon wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Ownedbacon wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Ownedbacon wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

EC made the endings worse for me. Am I the only one who feels that way?

Well having the Normandy get out of a space fire-fight, land in full view of Harbinger and not get shot at once while picking up your injured squad is pretty much head-desk EPIC FAIL imo.

-Polaris

Reaper IFF. At multiple points in the game EDI mentions that the Normandy is effectively disguised as a Reaper on scanners. Also, Nowhere does it even say Reapers have eyes, they most likely see through scanning their environment. 

Except when you're in the galaxy map and alert them. They enter the system and hunt you down. Why wouldn't the disguise still work? They could scan and find only Reapers, what would make them pursue you if they didn't have any other ways to recognize the Normandy as an enemy?

 The IFF is a costume, when the Nomrandy emits a pulse it is pretty much screaming "I am not a Reaper!".  That is why they only chase you after scanning for a bit. 

How can they pinpoint which vessel emitted the pulse if they aren't in the system? From what you're saying they only scan, and the Reaper IFF fools those scans. So unknowing of which vessel emitted those scan pulses how could they pinpoint exactly since other Reaper ships arrived in that system as well? The Normandy could have very well been just another Reaper ship on patrol after those pulses emitted.

Emitting scans pinpoints the exact location of the vessel that emmited it. 

I emit scans, stop scanning and leave that specific area, how else could the Reapers determine for sure if the Normandy was that ship that emitted those scans if the IFF fools them so well? There could have been another ship that sent scans out in the area and the Normandy could have just been another Reaper investigating.

I have a hard time believing the IFF fooled Harbinger so well, if he's scanning couldn't say "Hey whats that Reaper unloading organic troops for?" Why is it floating there and not assisting me? The Reapers are just dumbed down in ME3 couldn't it just as well communicate with fellow Reapers, and by the Normandy not responding like a Reaper know it isn't one?

More funny is, that intrasystem travel is on FTL, and in case of SR-2, it is undetectable when exiting FTL. Therefore, there is no way reapers could ever detect Normandy, nor following it.
Reaper-chase minigame is a lore-butchering nonsense.

And of course, with IFF working that way, as it described by EAWare defenders(which "explanation", btw, is pure nonsense and garbage) - there is absolutely no reason for Priority:Earth to happen. And this makes every character even more dumb.
Of course, there was never any reason for ground assault part of Priority:Earth, everyone who read ME codex about space combat and planetary assault would get that immediately. There is no ground solution for a space problem, and any officer character, proposing that nonsense, is portraying himself as utter moron.

Not quite as big a moron as the Reapers, who could have simply *turned off the beam* until all the ground forces were mopped up.

[easyian2]

I was fine with the original ending but the extended destroy was a nice touch.

[Maxster_]

katamuro wrote...

Why would a giant sentient spaceship need eyes? It has sensors, all kinds of sensors to detect all kinds of wavelengths.

As to OP, I am not angry anymore and I loved Citadel but I still think that Citadel should have come after the ending.

Giant sentient spaceship have no sensors at all, and dumb as a brick, because we need an excuse for EAWare's garbage writing, no matter how idiotic that excuse will be.
Because derp.

[Maxster_]

RedBeardJim wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

More funny is, that intrasystem travel is on FTL, and in case of SR-2, it is undetectable when exiting FTL. Therefore, there is no way reapers could ever detect Normandy, nor following it.
Reaper-chase minigame is a lore-butchering nonsense.

And of course, with IFF working that way, as it described by EAWare defenders(which "explanation", btw, is pure nonsense and garbage) - there is absolutely no reason for Priority:Earth to happen. And this makes every character even more dumb.
Of course, there was never any reason for ground assault part of Priority:Earth, everyone who read ME codex about space combat and planetary assault would get that immediately. There is no ground solution for a space problem, and any officer character, proposing that nonsense, is portraying himself as utter moron.

Not quite as big a moron as the Reapers, who could have simply *turned off the beam* until all the ground forces were mopped up.

Indeed.

[MeredithvL]

Citadel DLC was SO SO SO GREAT that I'm not mad at the ending anymore.

Thing is... I still won't play the ending. Ever again. Not even with the EC. I'll just say goodbye to Garrus and turn the PC off when Shepard is running to the beam.

[tanisha__unknown]

hell destroyer wrote...

Did you forgive the ending of Me3 with the Extended Cut or with the Citadel DLC? Do you like Me3 now? Are you still mad at it or you can enjoy it now?
Would you have liked ME3 if the base game shipped with the EC and Citadel DLC contents?

Myself, I've forgiven it with the EC.

Forgive? No. I can sort of bear it now, but that does not make it good.

For that matter, I liked most of it except for the ending pre EC and thoroughly enjoyed it, except for hte last 10 minutes.

Citadel makes a nice addition, even though I would have liked it to be shipped with the game, I can accept that that is additional content made later.

as for EC - if it had been in the game, people would not have been nearly as pissed off if the ending was the way it is now. it would have been smart and I think that should have been in the original game if they wanted their artistic vision to come across.

[Riot86]

Eterna5 wrote...

No you didn't. Nothing you said proves scientificly that reapers can see as organics do. Instead you just made the assumption that the Catalyst would have desinged them as such. 

I mean don't get me wrong, you presented science, but you in no way used that science to disprove my assertion. 

moater boat gave solid evidence and used very compelling and logical arguments showing that it is far more likely that the Reapers should have several methods to detect the Normandy during the evac scene - whether the Normandy is using a Reaper IFF or not.

Thus he is right, the burdon of proof actually lies with you as your assumption isn't backed up by any logical chain of reasoning.

[RedBeardJim]

Riot86 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

No you didn't. Nothing you said proves scientificly that reapers can see as organics do. Instead you just made the assumption that the Catalyst would have desinged them as such. 

I mean don't get me wrong, you presented science, but you in no way used that science to disprove my assertion. 

moater boat gave solid evidence and used very compelling and logical arguments showing that it is far more likely that the Reapers should have several methods to detect the Normandy during the evac scene - whether the Normandy is using a Reaper IFF or not.

Thus he is right, the burdon of proof actually lies with you as your assumption isn't backed up by any logical chain of reasoning.

Eterna doesn't care. Eterna is trolling. They admitted as much a few pages back.

[moater boat]

Eterna5 wrote...

moater boat wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

moater boat wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...



Prove to me that Reapers have eyes, they have lights that mimic eyes, but prove to me they see as organics do?

Science isn't your strong point, is it?


This is the solar spectrum. Right smack dab in the middle is the visible spectrum. Now, none of us can of course PROVE that Reapers can, or cannot, detect all these wavelengths, however, suggesting that Reapers lack the ability to detect the visible part of the spectrum is like saying that the reapers can't detect radio waves, or gamma rays, or infrared. There is absolutely NO LOGICAL REASON why a god-cyborg that has had millions of years to modify and improve itself would not be able to detect every part of this spectrum. To leave any gaps would be foolish, and would make no sense whatsoever. If Reapers have the technology to make these DNA altering nanites you talk about they would be able to make sensors that can see that wavelength.

Says science isn't my strong point------> Presents Science, but uses Headcannon to prove his viewpoint.

You're legit. 

I didn't use any headcannon. I stated FACTS, and then I drew a logical conclusion from those facts. 

No you didn't. Nothing you said proves scientificly that reapers can see as organics do. Instead you just made the assumption that the Catalyst would have desinged them as such. 

I mean don't get me wrong, you presented science, but you in no way used that science to disprove my assertion. 

I'll add basic logic to the list of things you suck at.

I don't know how many times I have to explain it, but I will do it again. Not for your benefit, but because I am hoping you miss this statement one more time, so I can point out how weak your reading comprehension is. Are you ready for it? Here's the statement one more time.

No one can PROVE what abilities these fictional characters possess.

Did it stick this time? Is that thought firmly embedded in that murky quagmire of misinformation and backwards logic you call a brain?

I'm going to assume that you managed to finally grasp this point and build on it. I was not trying to PROVE that they can see visible light. I was trying (and I'm fairly certain I succeeded) in explaining why being unable to sense solar energy of that specific wavelength would be a glaring weakness that no being of godlike power would possess.

Perhaps an analogy would help. If I were to say that the alliance could have easily defeated the reapers if they had simply used rubber bullets instead of ferrous rounds, you would probably agree that I am talking out of my ****. You can't PROVE that rubber bullets wouldn't penetrate their shields.

But that would be stupid. Almost as stupid as Reapers that can't sense the entire spectrum of sunlight even though it requires technology that we were using in the 20th century.

[moater boat]

katamuro wrote...

Why would a giant sentient spaceship need eyes? It has sensors, all kinds of sensors to detect all kinds of wavelengths.

Maybe you don't realize this, but eyes are sensors that detect different wavelengths of light...

[MassPredator]

The game ends when u kill Kai lame.... nothing happens after that,,, i say NOTHING!!!!

[Maxster_]

moater boat wrote...

katamuro wrote...

Why would a giant sentient spaceship need eyes? It has sensors, all kinds of sensors to detect all kinds of wavelengths.

Maybe you don't realize this, but eyes are sensors that detect different wavelengths of light...

I guess he meant that there is no need to place those sensors at specific locations so they could only detect waves in frontal half-sphere.

[Morty Smith]

Nothing to forgive. I wasn´t pleased with the level of quality of the base product so I haven´t bought any additional content.

[Maxster_]

hell destroyer wrote...

Did you forgive the ending of Me3 with the Extended Cut or with the Citadel DLC?

No. EC didn't change anything, only added more plotholes and idiocy. Citadel DLC is not addressing the ending in any way, as is plotholes in ME3 as whole. And there is a lot of said plotholes, rendering entire ME3 as a retarded clowns show.
And of course, i haven't bought any DLCs except From Ashes, nor i planning to. And of course i haven't played ME3 after the EC, and have no desire to do it ever.

Do you like Me3 now? Are you still mad at it or you can enjoy it now?

There is nothing to enjoy. Plotholes, nonsense, dumbed down characters, drama for the sake of drama. No thanks.

Would you have liked ME3 if the base game shipped with the EC and Citadel DLC contents?

Doesn't matter.

[Conquerthecity]

The Extended Cut solved nothing. And though I loved The Citadel, it doesn't change the fact that almost the entire rest of the game sucks. Playing through it is an exercise in tedium and I basically just go through the motions, barely paying attention to conversations or cinematics. Tuchanka and Rannoch are bright spots, even if I feel the latter is weakened by Legion's character derailment.

[XqctaX]

hell destroyer wrote...

Did you forgive the ending of Me3 with the Extended Cut or with the Citadel DLC? Do you like Me3 now? Are you still mad at it or you can enjoy it now?
Would you have liked ME3 if the base game shipped with the EC and Citadel DLC contents?

Myself, I've forgiven it with the EC.

the extended cut was like painting a turd. its still a turd.

the citadel dlc is good but its rendered meeningless with the ending itself as it stands.

i dont like me3 now, the game over all is rushed and that shows to the point of breaking imersion
several times thrueout the game, also the spoonfed emo "thu must be sad" is retardation.

mass effect was once upon a time a game about hope and overcoming the impossible
by working together and over comming differences.

i hate what they did with me3, and so i have moved on to other games and other studios and other publishers.

[TheRealJayDee]

hell destroyer wrote...

Did you forgive the ending of Me3 with the Extended Cut or with the Citadel DLC?

Nay.

Do you like Me3 now?

I've accepted that it is what it is and that it will stay that way.

Are you still mad at it or you can enjoy it now?

I'm not mad, but still completely fail to understand certain decisions. I will probably try another playthrough someday.

Would you have liked ME3 if the base game shipped with the EC and Citadel DLC contents?

It would definitely have been an improvement if the base game had the EC and aspects of the Citadel DLC. Would I have liked it? We'll never know - first impressions and such. Likely would've liked it better.

ME3 is over, Shepard's story is over, I'm over Mass Effect. Never wanted it to be that way.

Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 15 mars 2013 - 01:26 .

[kobayashi-maru]

The arguing about whether or not Harby could see the Normandy is pointless. The whole scene was basically a quick add in to explain crew being on crashed Normandy. Simpler to just delete crash and have no-one leaving battle field or even hearing over comms Cortez say he is returning to Normandy with injured crew but couldn't get Shepard- saying something like he tried to get to him but he entered beam. But for some strange reason - which I would love to know why - they didn't want to change Normany's fate. I'm curious with EC what the stargazer scene and ship on planet actually mean now.

Modifié par kobayashi-maru, 15 mars 2013 - 01:39 .

[HiddenInWar]

EC Destroy fixed it for me.

Modifié par HiddenInWar, 15 mars 2013 - 01:41 .