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[Maxster_]

kobayashi-maru wrote...

The arguing about whether or not Harby could see the Normandy is pointless. The whole scene was basically a quick add in to explain crew being on crashed Normandy. Simpler to just delete crash and have no-one leaving battle field or even hearing over comms Cortez say he is returning to Normandy with injured crew but couldn't get Shepard- saying something like he tried to get to him but he entered beam. But for some strange reason - which I would love to know why - they didn't want to change Normany's fate. I'm curious with EC what the stargazer scene and ship on planet actually mean now.

Or a generic alliance shuttle.
But they just created several plotholes(Teleporting Normandy, Harbringer not shooting, Shepard is a moron(again), Joker ignoring chain of command, etc). Just like that.
Shows how they really care.

[Fiannawolf]

Nope, my high ems destroy shep got no one liner of "Over here, we found Shepard, Medic stat" added to the ambigious breath scene. Until I can get a pc version up and running my xbox is stuck without MEHEM. Yup. In fact I wont ever see that kid in ghost form ever again. Im always stopping at Chronos station to kill derpy ninja then fin. Reload and play Citidel and pretend its the post ending dlc it was supposed to be.

[Eterna]

moater boat wrote...

I'll add basic logic to the list of things you suck at.

I don't know how many times I have to explain it, but I will do it again. Not for your benefit, but because I am hoping you miss this statement one more time, so I can point out how weak your reading comprehension is. Are you ready for it? Here's the statement one more time.

No one can PROVE what abilities these fictional characters possess.

And yet you sit here, implying I'm an idiot, while essentially doing the same thing. 

Did it stick this time? Is that thought firmly embedded in that murky quagmire of misinformation and backwards logic you call a brain?

Personal insults make me wan't to believe your flimsy points more. 

I'm going to assume that you managed to finally grasp this point and build on it. I was not trying to PROVE that they can see visible light. I was trying (and I'm fairly certain I succeeded) in explaining why being unable to sense solar energy of that specific wavelength would be a glaring weakness that no being of godlike power would possess.

Why? Why do you find it so obvious that Reapers can see as organics do when there is plenty if inferred evidence that says otherwise? Nothing you've said scientificly proves your assumption more valid than mine. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 15 mars 2013 - 02:11 .

[Slayer299]

The ending is still a trainwreck with or without the EC, it did not "save" ME3 for me in the least. he Citadel DLC does nothing for the ending as it is, although it is enjoyable. My being mad at the ending and Bioware hasn't gone away any.

[EnvyTB075]

Bad game is bad.

[Argetfalcon]

I liked Citadel DLC, but that doesn't excuse the ****** poor job they did on the ending. Even the EC just upgraded it from terrible to meh

[MassivelyEffective0730]

The ending is and always be total crap to me.

Citadel was a beautiful sendoff for Commander Shepard, all the team, and the Normandy. It makes me sad that this is the end of any of them (except Liara. She will probably be shoehorned into the universe). I think some of the writers made it with the intent to easily be headcanon'd as post ending, which is how I view it to an extent.

However, even more so than the endings, my faith in BW has fallen due to the utterly shameful treatment and attitude they displayed towards the fanbase. I used to respect some of those people. Now I can't even think of some of their names without a strong  of anger, and thinking about a lot of their more infamous quotes.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 15 mars 2013 - 02:21 .

[Kudas]

While Bioware has stated that citadel is the last single player dlc. I truly hope that they can make another add on that supplements the final battle on Earth. I still belive that it can be modeled after the suicide mission in me2 . Namely after admiral hackett has announced the commencement of the assault on earth. Shepard can have all his team from me2 and 3 and the war leaders converge and discuss battle plans and accord war assets to different parts of the assault on London, with them divided into sword and hammer categories. Then they can be led by team mates and also when younplay through London, cut scenes can be implemented to show the progress of both sword and shield and you can encounter team mates leading war assets in london and you can help them too to prevent them from dying and in turn everyone can converge and hold reaper forces off. The cumulative efforts in the final mission can reach the best possible ending where every race survives unlike the 3 endings where someone has to die. This can be unlocked by calculating the final war assets left standing at the end of the mission and it can be unlocked after passing a certain threshold something like the opposite of the refusal ending. Then the epilogue on every race and possibly squad mates can be shown. I truly think this is the ending that everyone would want and even can affect the stargazer ending where different races talked about Shepard legend and the one more story can actually be the citadel dlc, set after both this and the destroy ending

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Argetfalcon wrote...

I liked Citadel DLC, but that doesn't excuse the ****** poor job they did on the ending. Even the EC just upgraded it from terrible to meh

Also the absolute terrible reaction they've taken in regards to PR and community handling.

[Icinix]

Although I thought the endings were not fitting for the trilogy - I thought it was better BEFORE the extended cut (although I liked the epilogue slides from the extended cut).

My real issue with ME3 was the lack of dialogue choices. I fell in love with the first ME because the very first words spoken my Shepard you chose. ME3 was just too much cinematics - it was no longer my Shepard.

Citadel DLC did not help that - in fact - it made it worse for me.

But meh - better games have now come and gone - and they'll be replaced by better games still.

Heres to the next big sci-fi game that actually returns player agency!

[Random Geth]

Did you forgive the ending of Me3 with the Extended Cut or with the Citadel DLC?

Ohohoho, GOD no. It's still utter garbage and EC did nothing whatsoever to change this. Citadel is a great "one last adventure" run, thoughand I'm headcanoning it as taking place after the ending (which is itself another headcanon since the crap we got is a joke)

I still like a lot of ME3, but every time the words "crucible" or "conventionally" come up, I reflexively cringe. The best parts of the game are the ones that all but outright ignore that (read: Tuchunka and Rannoch story arcs).

However, the game was sold unfinished at launch and that's not forgivable, and I'm not even talking about the DLCs. And if the game HAD shipped with all the DLC stuff on-disc at launch, I think I'd be *more* pleased, but the ending would still be garbage, and things like exploration, a gorram codex (why did you remove all of the lore entries for the council races, ship combat etc when you kept those in ME2, by the way?) that isn't part of a broken journal, and far fewer dialogue options across the board would still stick out in a bad, bad way in addition to technical issues.

I've spent a lot of money on Mass Effect, 3 in particular. Partly because I was so desperate for more ME that wasn't frigging terrible after that mental vomit that was an "ending". Leviathan and Citadel delivered on that much, at least. Citadel in particular was a good diversion.

However, I'm not going to buy Dragon Age III at launch like I did ME3. I love DA2, but frankly, it was also unfinished and sold in a completely unacceptable state at launch. I am not seeing good trends here, and if I need to wait a year after release for DA3 to be complete, then I'm just going to stop following BW's games. I'll wait and see. Read reviews.

The tl;dr is that BW has mitigated the damage, but has undone nothing. I haven't forgotten about any of the **** that irritated me when I first played the game, and while I like some later products for ME3, a good DLC does not equal a good future vanilla game. I am very worried about BW's future. I'm not sure I want to be part of it. I'd LIKE to be, but...I feel more afraid that they're going down a path I can't follow, even when they do good things.

[Eshaye]

skergx120 wrote...

Not really, but they did redeem my faith in them with Citadel.

I still think the whole Dark Energy plot would of turned out more interesting than this whole synthetic singularity nonsense.

That would have been light years better then the damned catalyst. 

[GreyLycanTrope]

Did you forgive the ending of Me3 with the Extended Cut or with the Citadel DLC? Not a question of forgiveness the ending is still poor quality.
Do you like Me3 now? Not particularly.
Are you still mad at it or you can enjoy it now? I can enjoy the DLC I just don't want to go back to the Normandy.
Would you have liked ME3 if the base game shipped with the EC and Citadel DLC contents? Citadel sure, EC doesn't make things much better to begin with.

[Maxster_]

Random Geth wrote...
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However, the game was sold unfinished at launch and that's not forgivable, and I'm not even talking about the DLCs. And if the game HAD shipped with all the DLC stuff on-disc at launch, I think I'd be *more* pleased, but the ending would still be garbage, and things like exploration, a gorram codex (why did you remove all of the lore entries for the council races, ship combat etc when you kept those in ME2, by the way?) that isn't part of a broken journal, and far fewer dialogue options across the board would still stick out in a bad, bad way in addition to technical issues.
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What? Ship combat entries were removed from ME3? Really?

[kobayashi-maru]

As I've said I don't like the endings and have said why, but I don't hate Bioware or even the writers. I think its mostly just disappointment with them. You can see with Citadel and the other DLC they really are a great group of developers so the final Earth mission and ending with the EC just becomes incredibly disappointing. Even the ludicrous fixes - Normandy landing - show just how great they really are at writing, the dialogue with the LI is poignant and brilliantly done. The bad ideas are only patches to cover other terrible holes in original cut. And since simply deleting the terrible stuff was rerjected the team did a reasonable job at patching, even if it not up to their standards.

So more disappointment than hate, enough with the hate, that only leads to arguments, devs not posting and BSN getting slated by certain staff members. Saying your disappointed can lead to discussion and maybe a willingness to make sure it doesn't happen again.

[Random Geth]

Maxster_ wrote...

Random Geth wrote...
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However, the game was sold unfinished at launch and that's not forgivable, and I'm not even talking about the DLCs. And if the game HAD shipped with all the DLC stuff on-disc at launch, I think I'd be *more* pleased, but the ending would still be garbage, and things like exploration, a gorram codex (why did you remove all of the lore entries for the council races, ship combat etc when you kept those in ME2, by the way?) that isn't part of a broken journal, and far fewer dialogue options across the board would still stick out in a bad, bad way in addition to technical issues.
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What? Ship combat entries were removed from ME3? Really?

I'd have to double-check, but I'm pretty sure.  I know for fact that the Military Doctrine, Religion, Culture etc entries for the council races are all gone.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Yeah that's something I remember too. There is a general feeling of unpolishedness to the game. It was released too early. I blame that on EA.

[Maxster_]

Random Geth wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Random Geth wrote...
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However, the game was sold unfinished at launch and that's not forgivable, and I'm not even talking about the DLCs. And if the game HAD shipped with all the DLC stuff on-disc at launch, I think I'd be *more* pleased, but the ending would still be garbage, and things like exploration, a gorram codex (why did you remove all of the lore entries for the council races, ship combat etc when you kept those in ME2, by the way?) that isn't part of a broken journal, and far fewer dialogue options across the board would still stick out in a bad, bad way in addition to technical issues.
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What? Ship combat entries were removed from ME3? Really?

I'd have to double-check, but I'm pretty sure.  I know for fact that the Military Doctrine, Religion, Culture etc entries for the council races are all gone.

If space combat section was really removed - that was made deliberately, to shoehorn garbage scenes of idiotic reapers landing on a surface and dying because of their own stupidity. And that garbage, called Priority:Earth, with every military officer being a utter moron.
Anyway, removal of military doctrines, already shows... Ugh
So, instead of writing coherent story, sensical missions based on lore, they have just removed parts of the lore. That adds a whole new level to a phrase "This is really the best place to start playing the Mass Effect series".

Modifié par Maxster_, 15 mars 2013 - 03:18 .

[C9316]

Random Geth wrote...
However, the game was sold unfinished at launch and that's not forgivable, and I'm not even talking about the DLCs. And if the game HAD shipped with all the DLC stuff on-disc at launch, I think I'd be *more* pleased, but the ending would still be garbage, and things like exploration, a gorram codex (why did you remove all of the lore entries for the council races, ship combat etc when you kept those in ME2, by the way?) that isn't part of a broken journal, and far fewer dialogue options across the board would still stick out in a bad, bad way in addition to technical issues.

Funny how people seem to ignore this fact. Let's not forget that intially you couldn't even import your own shepard's face into ME3 if you started from ME1 I believe, or how bare bones the journal was and still is apparently, etc, etc. The ending imo is just at the top of the issues with ME3, and considering how they've gone about handling those issues I'm not particularly inclinded to buy future products.

[Maxster_]

C9316 wrote...

Random Geth wrote...
However, the game was sold unfinished at launch and that's not forgivable, and I'm not even talking about the DLCs. And if the game HAD shipped with all the DLC stuff on-disc at launch, I think I'd be *more* pleased, but the ending would still be garbage, and things like exploration, a gorram codex (why did you remove all of the lore entries for the council races, ship combat etc when you kept those in ME2, by the way?) that isn't part of a broken journal, and far fewer dialogue options across the board would still stick out in a bad, bad way in addition to technical issues.

Funny how people seem to ignore this fact. Let's not forget that intially you couldn't even import your own shepard's face into ME3 if you started from ME1 I believe, or how bare bones the journal was and still is apparently, etc, etc. The ending imo is just at the top of the issues with ME3, and considering how they've gone about handling those issues I'm not particularly inclinded to buy future products.

I wonder, if that bug with being stuck behind Joker in a cockpit was actually fixed?

[Dominus]

Did you forgive the ending of Me3 with the Extended Cut or with the Citadel DLC?

No. Both are essentially fan service.

Do you like Me3 now? Are you still mad at it or you can enjoy it now?

I like the game exactly as I did precisely 1 year ago.

Would you have liked ME3 if the base game shipped with the EC and Citadel DLC contents?

Yes, but it likely wouldn't have happened. I was tired talking about the ending after seeing it the first time, and I don't see much reason to go on about it further. Words are wind.

[The Heretic of Time]

hell destroyer wrote...

1. Did you forgive the ending of Me3 with the Extended Cut or with the Citadel DLC?
2. Do you like Me3 now?
3. Are you still mad at it or you can enjoy it now?
4. Would you have liked ME3 if the base game shipped with the EC and Citadel DLC contents?

1. No.
2. No.
3. No and no.
4. No.

[sg1fan75]

No I still dislike the ending. I I will admit EC smoothed the ending out a little but it still feels wrong for me.

[Renew81]

The ec DLC was nice but its the first impression that counts , i can enjoy me 3 to a certain point but it can become repetative and i do not like some of the forced cutscenes , gathering recources etc after more then 2 playthroughs i dont think that me3 is a bad game but the previous titles gave me a better experience especially on the first playthrough with me 3 it was more of a love hate relationship its healed but of jas left its mark.

[Asuukuru]

Heh, i havent been here for ages, but decided to see what people thought of Citadel and saw this thread, figured i would participate.

1) I came to terms with the ending fairly quickly when it was released. Never actually believed any DLC would be able to fix the issues with the ending. The ending suffered from a thematic change that didnt fit, it was completely out of character and most importantly, it was poorly written. The first two are arguable, but the third is hard to argue. The fact that an EC was needed in order to address the more superficial plot holes in the ending attests to this.

2) The ending forced me to look at the entire ME3 experience as a whole and made me realize a few things. While thinking about the game, i realized my entire experience in ME3 was seen through rose colored glasses, i chose to ignore the fact it was a poor port to PC, the combat mechanics were rather disappointing, customization was nearly non existent and the thought out side quests were simply not there, many of the RPG elements i liked from the first two games were simply not there. While i dont regret buying ME3, i do regret buying it at release and paying as much as I paid for the game. I dont believe the game was worth what i paid for it.

3) Am i still mad, not really, i am more apathetic towards ME3, i have not bought any of the DLC and have no interest in the multiplayer. I have only played Citadel at friend's and quite simply, while it was a nice touch, i found it to hardly be relevant when it came to the overall problems with the ending. Can i enjoy it? I uninstalled it after I finished it and never installed it again, so can i enjoy it? I dont know, what i do know is i dont care to try.

4) The EC and Citadel had no bearing on my opinion of the ending, the only thing EC showed me was that when they were writing the ending, they ignored aspects of their own lore, and that it was done in a hurry. Citadel and EC to me were more of an effort to say, we did something, why are people complaining.

What i learned the most about the whole ME3 situation was how Bioware and Electronic Arts treat their customers. Quite frankly, i have no interest in doing business with either of these companies based on faith ever again. I used to preorder pretty much every bioware game, and many, many EA games, that is something that ended after i saw the reaction from both companies. I will not refuse to buy an EA game, that is rather childish, but i wont preorder based on faith, which to be honest has already paid off. A year ago i would have preordered Sim City, Dead Space and Crysis 3. Those are 3 games i am glad to say i did not pre order nor did i bother to buy.

Will I buy ME4 on release? no, I will wait a few weeks and see what happens, if the gamer reaction to the game is favorable, i will buy it a few weeks down the line. If the gamer reaction is not favorable, like the last 3 releases from Bioware, i will not and I will move on.