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[Reap_ii]

Eterna5 wrote...


Why? Why do you find it so obvious that Reapers can see as organics do when there is plenty if inferred evidence that says otherwise? Nothing you've said scientificly proves your assumption more valid than mine. 

that's the entire point that you missed Eterna5.  he said he cant prove his point, and neither can you prove yours.   he is not trying to prove a point, like you are.  but, with all scientific facts considered, your point is nonsensical.  he proved it with his rubber bullet analogy.  but, by all means, continue with your efforts if you would like.  im encouraging you to.  for my entertainment of course. 

[Nykara]

My question is, does Bioware even have the right people any more to pull off the amazing stories that they used to be able to do? I am starting to think that with EA having its grips on the company and massive changes in staffing the answer to that question is, no.
Bioware games sadly have been steadily declining since EA got hold of them. Leave it to EA to ruin a good company. Makes no sense to me since Bioware was so great that they could be making a ton of profit off them, instead they are killing it slowly. With each game released, more and more bioware fans are going to start dropping off when the games don't reach their full potential. I blame EA. I think although some of ME2 was done during EA time a lot of it had been started prior to EA taking the reigns and it was the last mostly made Bioware game. Since then, there has been a steady decline.

Even the Citadel DLC, while it was really good and I loved spending more time with the crew and such, it still wasn't up to original bioware standards imo.

[mwags85]

Steelcan wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Reap_ii wrote...

ending still sits way outside of ME thematically. it still just doesn't make sense.

It does fit themeatically and it does make sense. 

. Organic/synthetic conflict was wrapped up over Rannoch.  It was resurrected and made the main theme for some reason.  

And no, it doesn't make sense, none of it does.

^This, The entire series I was focused on one thing, "Stop the Reapers".  And suddenly I get this reserrected theme I just took care of a few missons back as the new main plot.  Organics vs. Synthetics.  Uh, hello?  Can you say Terminator or The Matrix?  It's been done before.  This was totaly out of context with the core of the game.  So yeah, it made absolutely no sense.  Not to mention all the war assests you collect end up being worth sh*t.  Star Brat, unforgivable element in this game.  If you hated him too, we're on the same page as to why.  Extended Cut DLC was nothing more than a coat of paint on the stinking sh*t ending.  Yes it fixed some holes, but didn't address the fact that the core ending itself is just broken.  Leviathan DLC, while fairly decent, should have been in game contact.  Can't believe people actually willingly paid extra money for that.  Omega DLC was completely pointless.  Hello, you're trying to stop the Reapers!! Why the hell would you go risk your life trying to take back a station from Cerberus?  Again, makes no sense.  Now for a bit of positive: Citadel DLC was pretty good.  Brought back a lot of elements from the first game.  Again though, I'm conflicted with it that it's just another distraction quest (like Omega) from the real threat of the Reapers.  Where Omega was a full on distraction, Citadel was a real issue Shepard really needed to deal with being his identy was in danger, still a distraction though but one I can let slide.  Unexpected and difficult situations can happen in times of war.  By the way I watched all these on youtube, never spent a dime on this stuff and just can't bring myself to do it.  So in conclusion I have to say no, I don't forgive Bioware for the mess the created and failed to fix.  You can say its EA's fault and it is partially, but the writer's at Bioware are responible for the game's content and I have to say they did a ****** poor job of making everything fit and come together in the end in a way that left many players feeling empty and unfulfilled in their efforts which is exactly why it's so hard to go back and play this game again.  I've chosen to just completely forget the ending exists as is and make up my own.  MEHEM is good, whatever you want it to be make it so.      

[Eterna]

Reap_ii wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...


Why? Why do you find it so obvious that Reapers can see as organics do when there is plenty if inferred evidence that says otherwise? Nothing you've said scientificly proves your assumption more valid than mine. 

that's the entire point that you missed Eterna5.  he said he cant prove his point, and neither can you prove yours.   he is not trying to prove a point, like you are.  but, with all scientific facts considered, your point is nonsensical.  he proved it with his rubber bullet analogy.  but, by all means, continue with your efforts if you would like.  im encouraging you to.  for my entertainment of course. 

Then tell me oh great wise sage how this works:

This is a Destroyer with its "Eye" being shown: 

Clearly by your own assumptions, using this "Eye" allows the Reaper to see as organics do.

How then, does it see like this: 

Its eye is covered, surely it must be blind now? But how can that be, as Destroyer class Reapers are seen numerous times behaving just fine depsite their supposed eye being covered?

 This is a Reaper Capital Ship: 

Its supposed eyes are located under its entire body, how on earth could the Reaper then determine anything located in front of it?

 This is Harbinger: 


Well now, we have a set of "Eyes" on the front, surely he can use these "eyes" to see? Oh wait, the Normandy fies right in front of his eyes and he does not see it.

The Logical conclusion is that Reapers can't see like organics can. 

[nikki191]

the fixed the main issues i had with the extended cut and with citadel was an excellent fairwell to the crew and the space hamster.

i dont consider me3 broken anymore

[Reap_ii]

Eterna5, i don't share your belief that the Reapers cannot see in the visible light spectrum for whatever odd reason (a reason you havnt given any evidence to support, btw). i do believe, however, that the Reapers would have the ability to see most if not all spectrums of light. neither can be proved. evidence supports the theory that they can see, whether they have eyes or not. tv cameras can see. anyways, i never said anything about them having eyes. don't care if they have eyes or not, they have technology that can see.

[Eterna]

Reap_ii wrote...

Eterna5, i don't share your belief that the Reapers cannot see in the visible light spectrum for whatever odd reason (a reason you havnt given any evidence to support, btw). i do believe, however, that the Reapers would have the ability to see most if not all spectrums of light. neither can be proved. evidence supports the theory that they can see, whether they have eyes or not. tv cameras can see. anyways, i never said anything about them having eyes. don't care if they have eyes or not, they have technology that can see.

The evidence they can't see in a visible light spectrum is the fact that Harbinger is unable to determine that the Normandy is not a Reaper despite being directly in front of his face due to the IFF.

Modifié par Eterna5, 15 mars 2013 - 05:00 .

[MassivelyEffective0730]

Eterna5 wrote...
The evidence they can't see in a visible light spectrum is the fact that Harbinger is unable to determine that the Normandy is not a Reaper despite being directly in front of his face due to the IFF.

That evidence is completely circumstantial. 

You are drawing a conclusion, a post hoc fallacy.

"Because Harbinger did not shoot at the Normandy, the Reapers must not have eyes."

That is your claim. There is no evidence to back it up whatsoever.

Modifié par MassivelyEffective0730, 15 mars 2013 - 05:21 .

[Ticonderoga117]

hell destroyer wrote...

Did you forgive the ending of Me3 with the Extended Cut or with the Citadel DLC? Do you like Me3 now? Are you still mad at it or you can enjoy it now?
Would you have liked ME3 if the base game shipped with the EC and Citadel DLC contents?

Myself, I've forgiven it with the EC.

No. The game is still broken. Still can't say "I actually enjoy this game." Citadel was very good though and is what I consider the biggest chunk of ME3 enjoyment.

If the game shipped with EC and the Citadel, it would have been better, but still broken.

[FROST4584]

hell destroyer wrote...

Did you forgive the ending of Me3 with the Extended Cut or with the Citadel DLC? Do you like Me3 now? Are you still mad at it or you can enjoy it now?
Would you have liked ME3 if the base game shipped with the EC and Citadel DLC contents?

Myself, I've forgiven it with the EC.

Did you forgive the ending of Me3 with the Extended Cut?

NO

Or with the Citadel DLC?

NO, I didn't buy it.

Do you like Me3 now?

Not, really. This game has the same issues ME2 had, which was fighting the Collectors(ME2)/Cerburus(ME3), when we  should have been fighting the Reapers. Also the ending , is a massive let down.


Would you have liked ME3 if the base game shipped with the EC and Citadel DLC contents?

No, the game would have ended up the same.All of the DLC , in this game was pointless.

Modifié par FROST4584, 15 mars 2013 - 05:34 .

[Excella Gionne]

I believe with the High EMS Destroy ending in which Shepard lives, it's up to that particular player to make up the rest of the story. Bioware can't do everything for you. Sometimes, I make up my own little stories with other characters as Love Interests with my Female Shepard.

If they really fixed the post-ending, only Destroy would benefit, not the other two endings and some people prefer the other two endings as well.

Modifié par johnnythao89, 15 mars 2013 - 06:15 .

[UrgentArchengel]

Though the ending for me is fine post-Levi, my reasons for "forgiving" are much more personal. I had a time where I was upset at things in my life. Depression, and stuff. I've learned that there are much bigger things to get upset at, and worried about then a video game. I may've disliked the ending at first, but it was never something worth shaking a fist at.

[LilyasAvalon]

EC was fairly good but came too little too late. I had already head-cannoned my own ending by then.

Citadel DLC is a post DLC in my head canon.

As someone else said, I STILL hate how the ending is about Organics vs. Synthetics. Because **** no. That, for me, for almost everyonbe else, was resolved back in the Rannoch arc. The ending was supposed to just be about what the entirity of the ME series was about, blowing the Reapers the **** up.

Modifié par LilyasAvalon, 15 mars 2013 - 07:24 .

[Dude_in_the_Room]

Nope.

It's not the amount of closure I would give for such a trilogy. I expected a long ending considering how invested I (and many like me) I got into the game. It was as if the creators had less interest in the game than the fans.

Plus no amount of closure or whatever they put in can take away the star child, catalyst and all that.

[PainCakesx]

Still hate the endings, less so after the EC but I still think they seriously dropped the ball.

I still look forward to ME4, but with a much higher degree of skepticism than I had with ME3.

IMHO, the only real redeeming quality of ME3 was its combat gameplay and characters. The story and various glaring issues (utter lack of hub worlds without DLC, auto-dialogue, glitches + bugs, terrible journal system, lackluster side quests) put it behind the other 2.

I do enjoy the multiplayer though as a time waster.

[wright1978]

Maxster_ wrote...

kobayashi-maru wrote...

The arguing about whether or not Harby could see the Normandy is pointless. The whole scene was basically a quick add in to explain crew being on crashed Normandy. Simpler to just delete crash and have no-one leaving battle field or even hearing over comms Cortez say he is returning to Normandy with injured crew but couldn't get Shepard- saying something like he tried to get to him but he entered beam. But for some strange reason - which I would love to know why - they didn't want to change Normany's fate. I'm curious with EC what the stargazer scene and ship on planet actually mean now.

Or a generic alliance shuttle.
But they just created several plotholes(Teleporting Normandy, Harbringer not shooting, Shepard is a moron(again), Joker ignoring chain of command, etc). Just like that.
Shows how they really care.

I really do wonder why they were still so wedded to them in EC given the atrocious holes they open in the story. Maybe just because completely cutting them out would have been an open admission they were making changes.

[HooblaDGN]

Nope. Endings still bad. Still don't trust BW.

[Necrotya]

hell destroyer wrote...

1)Did you forgive the ending of Me3 with the 2)Extended Cut or with the Citadel DLC? 3) Do you like Me3 now?
4)Are you still mad at it or you can enjoy it now?
5)Would you have liked ME3 if the base game shipped with the EC and Citadel DLC contents?

Myself, I've forgiven it with the EC.

1) Was nothing to forgive, starbrat is just meh, so is the logic behind it, but it's a game, will not loose sleep over it.
2) EC packed those same endings in red, so it's still meh, tho Citadel was really fun ( lot of cliches, but hilarious  ) cheap jokes but fun ( story arc.........average )
3) I always liked it, didnt get along with first day DLC ( wtf BW? ) some stuff about how they decided to do ME3 and the endings ofc. But I do see this as 2 separated things. I think one can still like the whole thing even if some parts of it are meh...( still playing both SP and MP and loving it )
4) Was never mad ( but I was like "WTF is going on"  after I finished "original ending" game for the first time )
5) Always liked it...no changes there...

Modifié par Necrotya, 15 mars 2013 - 07:54 .

[Bourne Endeavor]

The Citadel was enough to bring me back into the series but I am steadfast in my convictions toward the ending. It is a convoluted mess that is partly rectified by the Extended Cut but also further damaged due to idiotic analogies and reference; the infamous "cleansing fire" nonsense comes to mind. No amount of pandering will convince me otherwise and BioWare has quite a large hurdle to climb before I will ever again regard them as the "blind buy; pre-order" developer I once did.

The best compliment I can offer them is how I started my post. Citadel, for all it's poor placement and pandering, did enough I returned to Mass Effect. Ball is in their court going forward.

[xelander]

The ending is far from the only thing massively wrong with ME3, but to answer your question - NO.
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[Reptilian Rob]

moater boat wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

moater boat wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

moater boat wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...



Prove to me that Reapers have eyes, they have lights that mimic eyes, but prove to me they see as organics do?

Science isn't your strong point, is it?


This is the solar spectrum. Right smack dab in the middle is the visible spectrum. Now, none of us can of course PROVE that Reapers can, or cannot, detect all these wavelengths, however, suggesting that Reapers lack the ability to detect the visible part of the spectrum is like saying that the reapers can't detect radio waves, or gamma rays, or infrared. There is absolutely NO LOGICAL REASON why a god-cyborg that has had millions of years to modify and improve itself would not be able to detect every part of this spectrum. To leave any gaps would be foolish, and would make no sense whatsoever. If Reapers have the technology to make these DNA altering nanites you talk about they would be able to make sensors that can see that wavelength.

Says science isn't my strong point------> Presents Science, but uses Headcannon to prove his viewpoint.

You're legit. 

I didn't use any headcannon. I stated FACTS, and then I drew a logical conclusion from those facts. 

No you didn't. Nothing you said proves scientificly that reapers can see as organics do. Instead you just made the assumption that the Catalyst would have desinged them as such. 

I mean don't get me wrong, you presented science, but you in no way used that science to disprove my assertion. 

I'll add basic logic to the list of things you suck at.

I don't know how many times I have to explain it, but I will do it again. Not for your benefit, but because I am hoping you miss this statement one more time, so I can point out how weak your reading comprehension is. Are you ready for it? Here's the statement one more time.

No one can PROVE what abilities these fictional characters possess.

Did it stick this time? Is that thought firmly embedded in that murky quagmire of misinformation and backwards logic you call a brain?

I'm going to assume that you managed to finally grasp this point and build on it. I was not trying to PROVE that they can see visible light. I was trying (and I'm fairly certain I succeeded) in explaining why being unable to sense solar energy of that specific wavelength would be a glaring weakness that no being of godlike power would possess.

Perhaps an analogy would help. If I were to say that the alliance could have easily defeated the reapers if they had simply used rubber bullets instead of ferrous rounds, you would probably agree that I am talking out of my ****. You can't PROVE that rubber bullets wouldn't penetrate their shields.

But that would be stupid. Almost as stupid as Reapers that can't sense the entire spectrum of sunlight even though it requires technology that we were using in the 20th century.

*Stands up and claps for like thirty minutes, crying.*

[mumba]

moater boat wrote...
I'll add basic logic to the list of things you suck at.

I don't know how many times I have to explain it, but I will do it again. Not for your benefit, but because I am hoping you miss this statement one more time, so I can point out how weak your reading comprehension is. Are you ready for it? Here's the statement one more time.

No one can PROVE what abilities these fictional characters possess.

Did it stick this time? Is that thought firmly embedded in that murky quagmire of misinformation and backwards logic you call a brain?

I'm going to assume that you managed to finally grasp this point and build on it. I was not trying to PROVE that they can see visible light. I was trying (and I'm fairly certain I succeeded) in explaining why being unable to sense solar energy of that specific wavelength would be a glaring weakness that no being of godlike power would possess.

Perhaps an analogy would help. If I were to say that the alliance could have easily defeated the reapers if they had simply used rubber bullets instead of ferrous rounds, you would probably agree that I am talking out of my ****. You can't PROVE that rubber bullets wouldn't penetrate their shields.

But that would be stupid. Almost as stupid as Reapers that can't sense the entire spectrum of sunlight even though it requires technology that we were using in the 20th century.

[christrek1982]

hell destroyer wrote...

Did you forgive the ending of Me3 with the Extended Cut or with the Citadel DLC? Do you like Me3 now? Are you still mad at it or you can enjoy it now?
Would you have liked ME3 if the base game shipped with the EC and Citadel DLC contents?

Myself, I've forgiven it with the EC.

no I like ME3 but the ending was so soul crushing and depressing confusing and so on the EC was not enough it helped. what helped me was MEHEM a fan mod of all things but BW will stick to there guns as it appears that they have developed a fear of money.

as for the Citadel DLC well it's one of the best DLC in ME would even give LOSB a run for it's money (and that's coming from a Liara fan boy) but it has nothing to do with the ending and as such if MEHEM wasn't around then I wouldn't of got any of the DLC no matter how good they are as the would of be no point.

[78stonewobble]

No, while the EC did improve on explaining the differences between the endings and added some closure it did not change the underlying problems of catalyst and plot logic.

I still feel the need to drive a railroad spike through my brain to dumb up enough to accept it.





Regarding the whole thing about Reapers and visible light. While they obviously have know how to build detectors (eyes) for pretty much any range in the spectrum that doesn't necessarily mean that the individual or class of reapers/destroyers have all or even most of these.

We don't build tanks with gamma, x-ray detectors or ELF radio antennas. They have visible light, nightvision, radios and thermal imaging. IE. narrow parts of the spectrum which are usefull to their intended role

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 15 mars 2013 - 09:52 .