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[SimonTheFrog]

I still can't believe that BioWare slapped each other on the backs and decided that the trilogy is "done" now.

It's not done, it's broken.

But man, whatever. There are other good games outthere.

[Drewton]

Reap_ii wrote...

ending still sits way outside of ME thematically. it still just doesn't make sense.

This

I just can't accept the endings at face value.

Modifié par Drewton, 18 mars 2013 - 03:37 .

[NM_Che56]

EC cleaned it up for me (shoot the tuber, here).  Not perfect, but c'mon, what is?

The Citadel DLC was amazing!  I look forward to playing through the whole damned trilogy more than ever now because of it.  They really did put their heart and souls in to it and really captured the nostaglic sentimentality that I feel for the games.

The endings were a curve ball, but I think that was necessary and that we were supposed to be thrown for a loop by them.  Leviathan helped by setting it up a little bit better so it didn't feel too far from left field.  

The more I think about it, the more it fits; you are doing something that will forever alter the galaxy one way or another.  It had to end in a big way.  I think giving you the choice of control, synthesis and eventually refuse, while a nod to Deus Ex, allows you to impact the fate of the entire galaxy in a variety of ways.  I mean, you are taking on an entire race of world eaters who literally end an entire advance civiliation and do a decent job of obliterating traces of their existence every 50k years.  And your only resolution is a...fire fight?  A big ol pew pew pew space battle? Seems a little too...I dunno...common? 

[shrimprahmen]

Not a chance. the end was still an abomination. i still play the game because its fun till that last mission. i usually just stop there and let head cannon take over. nothing short of them saying it was an indoc acid trip...then adding true diffrent endings a la Chrono Trigger (13 real diffrenet endings) will ever change how i feel about it.

[macrocarl]

Loved it before love it now - BW nailed it for me.

[Adoramei]

tickle267 wrote...

Adoramei wrote...

I was thinking the same thing, Tickle. I mean.. there's also the option of getting a synthetic body much like EDI did.

i always thought that the synthesis ending was the true sacrifice, the galaxy was saved entirely, but at the cost of your life, with your romance option left complety alone with no goodbye.

Oh, yes. I actually thought that although it's a wonderful ending for everyone, it kind of leaves your LI, the one person you were supposed to care about the most, with absolutely nothing. Although the Control ending MAY leave people imagining that maybe there's some sort of way to communicate via technology (creep them out via datapads, etc.. haha), the synthesis ending..

Well, the way Shepard keeps insisting that everything's going to "be okay" to their LI and in the end, just surrenders to have their genetic information dispersed.. I feel like it's a multi-tiered sacrifice. I know that it might seem trivial to worry about the feelings of an LI over the fate of an entire race, but we are only human.




This is one instance where I'm definitely going to have to agree with the whole "headcanon" thing. It's like in Star Wars where Eps 1-3 and whatever spawned from it don't exist in my Star Wars world. The true EU and the Original Trilogy are all that I care about, sans Eps 1-3 references. Oh well. To each their own. I think going headcanon is going to be really popular for Mass Effect.

Modifié par Adoramei, 18 mars 2013 - 05:11 .

[Ameno Xiel]

I started WoW again after a 3 year abstinence. Why? Because I couldn't get my ass back into any other game after the for me personally disappointing ending. Yes, it did have that impact on me. Deal with it. So I started playing a game, that I KNOW will bore me out in a few months so that I actually want to play other games again. Can't bring myself to start any other SP game before that. Neither the EC (oil in fire etc.) nore Citadel(now that should have been the "ending dlc") changed that.

Modifié par Ameno Xiel, 18 mars 2013 - 05:37 .

[Adoramei]

I really want to buy the Citadel DLC, but I know that it'll be soured with the fact that it doesn't really make sense in the timeline, thus making it feel more like a really forced, non-immersive bone being tossed for appeasement. Also, I know the DLC's are being used as money sinks to feed EA's bad behaviour doesn't really do it for me. My resolve is weakening by the day, though, because the Citadel DLC is right up my alley. It plays into all of the humour that I love from the series. The interactions begin to feed the lack thereof within the actual game. But it doesn't change the ending, and it doesn't change the fact that it costs as much as an expansion. If EA had given them enough time and not been so restrictive, we might not need to buy these DLC's to make the game more bearable. But that's not their way. They WANT us to need to buy the DLC's. Money makes the world go 'round, I guess.

tickle267 wrote...

Adoramei wrote...
 
This
is one instance where I'm definitely going to have to agree with the
whole "headcanon" thing. It's like in Star Wars where Eps 1-3 and
whatever spawned from it don't exist in my Star Wars world. The true EU
and the Original Trilogy are all that I care about, sans Eps 1-3
references. Oh well. To each their own. I think going headcanon is going
to be really popular for Mass Effect.

you're right,
headcannon's the only way to provide closure for your character, which
isn't a good thing for an RPG... especially when you consider how little
effort is required (i presume) to put an extra picture in at the end.

I know! I might even have been sated with a Dragon Age-esque WORDED ending. That can't be too hard to make. At all. I mean, they can infer all that they want, but we want to know what happens as a result of our 100+ hours of combined choices and gameplay (per character). But that ending was so satisfying to me. (Also, even though
the choices were bittersweet, they weren't godawful. I could at least live with all of them. Anyhow..) To actually SEE what happened based on your decisions makes repeated playthroughs possible for me in Dragon Age. It's almost like they wanted us to headcanon.

Though, with the technology they have.. they could have given some short cutscenes. e_e

Modifié par Adoramei, 18 mars 2013 - 06:04 .

[Reorte]

tickle267 wrote...

yeah it annoys me when people say that the breath scene and the name not being placed on the wall is enough for you to imagine shepards life afterwards (ie headcannon) because i don't want to HAVE TO imagine, i want to be shown it :'(

I don't want to be shown his life afterwards (I don't like jumps in time like that at the end of stories and in any case it's not part of this story) but I would feel a hell of a lot happier seeing him about to set off on that journey.

[Robhuzz]

Not a chance. I've gotten over it by now but I still have such bad memories about the last time I touched ME3, I haven't played it in a year and I doubt I ever will again. And I will definitely remember the insult that they called an ending when ME4 hits the shelves.

I still can't believe that BioWare slapped each other on the backs and decided that the trilogy is "done" now.

It's not done, it's broken.

But man, whatever. There are other good games outthere.

A very sensible attitude. ME3 showed that the series has moved beyond my interests. If they want to cater to an audience that only wants mindless action and a half assed story with a crappy ending then be my guest, but I will pass on it and look for other games instead.

yeah it annoys me when people say that the breath scene and the name not being placed on the wall is enough for you to imagine shepards life afterwards (ie headcannon) because i don't want to HAVE TO imagine, i want to be shown it :'( 

Same here. I didn't want to be shown the rest of Shep's life but I did want to be shown a few parts based on the choices I made during the game. I can fill in the details myself. And as long as ME4 doesn't retcon it, I'd have been happy.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 18 mars 2013 - 07:21 .

[Drewton]

If BioWare messed up the first trilogy, why should I trust them with the next?

[SkullStrife]

it´s still a s**ty ending

[Adoramei]

I agree with not being shown exactly what happens, since it is an RPG and headcanon always runs rampant with endings. As it should. HOWEVER, we would like some direction. I mean, a lot of us would headcanon the actual relationship between Shepard and their ME1 romance, only to be told in 2 that it went a different way. I know that they say that this is the end of Shepard's story, but you never know when there will be another game where your game can be imported for extra content.

This happened to me with KOTOR. I had a specific headcanon for how my character's relationship continued with Carth, but I don't remember them even being together in any of the references by the time 2 rolled around. I could be wrong. It was a long time ago. But I know that it was still unsatisfying. (Although, that was definitely a series where I was really unhappy with the handling of romances for female characters. You have pretty bland options. Though, I AM attracted to the Kaidan/Carth/Alistair type characters. The honest, good guy full of chivalry. So that worked out for me.) And from what I gathered, the males got more than just a simple profession of love at the end after a lot of attempted flirting. At least they're doing better for us now. Not perfect, but it's better.

We can tell ourselves that "our" endings can't be taken away from us, but they know that the playerbase has gotten emotionally invested in Shepard, possibly moreso than any other series. It may not be our character completely, but it is our Shepard. They know what is expected, and as much as they say that this was their intended route, I don't buy it. They've excelled at storytelling before. They know what it takes for a satisfying ending- and what it takes for a terrible one (a la Dragon Age 2- and we all remember THAT controversy, even if we weren't involved on forums at the time, like myself). I feel like they were forced into a deadline that they couldn't meet and were contracted for a certain number of DLC's for EA to milk money out of us. So something had to give. There went our ending. There went the day-one DLC with a character obviously designed WITH the game, who had input that was so integral to the storyline, complete with multiple companion interactions that DLC characters normally don't get. But I digress.

Modifié par Adoramei, 18 mars 2013 - 08:04 .

[Reorte]

tickle267 wrote...

Reorte wrote...

tickle267 wrote...

yeah it annoys me when people say that the breath scene and the name not being placed on the wall is enough for you to imagine shepards life afterwards (ie headcannon) because i don't want to HAVE TO imagine, i want to be shown it :'(

I don't want to be shown his life afterwards (I don't like jumps in time like that at the end of stories and in any case it's not part of this story) but I would feel a hell of a lot happier seeing him about to set off on that journey.

seeing shepard holding a pregant liara or building a house with tali would be enough wouldn't it? not a ridiculous time scale but enough to know that shepard could finally settle down.

I think that it would be too much really, even though I'd love to see it. IMO it should end with him about to start on that life (if appropriate), not actually starting it. Personally speaking I think it's a case of what I want not really being what's right for the story.

Anyway I've heard a lot about people wanting Liara and blue babies but can asari have children in the maiden stage?

[Adoramei]

I imagine they can have children in the maiden stage, much like teenagers can have babies as humans. I believe there is even a conversation about it in the romance as well, according to my fiance with his playthrough. Their sexuality is awoken for a reason, I suppose.

[Adoramei]

tickle267 wrote..

Adoramei wrote...

I imagine they can have children in the maiden stage, much like teenagers can have babies as humans. I believe there is even a conversation about it in the romance as well, according to my fiance with his playthrough. Their sexuality is awoken for a reason, I suppose.

 is that a ME1 conversation?

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure it's in ME3. I didn't watch his playthrough because he didn't want to ruin it for me when my Shepard would romance Liara. It's not a "stages of life" type of conversation, but he's pretty sure that there was some possible baby making going on.

[Adoramei]

Just so you can reach the end again and just want to die?

.. Oh, wait, Shepard can do that for you.

[Adoramei]

Haha. I know what you mean. I'm honestly playing through 1 at the moment between schoolwork and posting here.. And.. SW:TOR.. Ah, crap. Distractions. e_e