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[Omega Torsk]

Only-Twin wrote...

The catalyst is retarded, but the destroy extended cut at least gave me proper closure.

This, pretty much. I myself just finished ME3 after about 9 months of it sitting on the backburner. The climax (Priority: Earth, The "Citadel," TIM's resolution, the Catalyst's dialogue, the Crucible's function, etc) are still disappointing and lacking in quality... but the extended (destroy) ending is something that I can live with. I can take it from there, Bioware...

[locsphere]

This goes beyond the ending now. It was the treatment of the fans that we're now peeved about. BW continues to pat itself on the back and listens selectively to fan feedback as long as it does not deal with the ending.

They call us entitled and in the minority despite all the polls taken over the past year still having a beef with the ending.

Now its about being treated like we were unreasonable. First off we never asked for 16 endings. We were told a possibility of 16 and would have been happy with 6 heck even 3 radically different endings.

We were lead to believe that choices would have a profond impact on the endings. Those major choices being the Rachni Queen, the Councel and saving the destiny ascension. Admiral or Udina on the counsel. The Reaper base. all of them had 0 impact.

We were told no ABC endings where we could say what kind of ending we got... Yet that's what we got. Bold claims were made and were scolded and talked down too simply for taking BW up on their offer.

What did we get. BW reps saying at pax East we couldn't possibly expect 149 different endings... I agree we were never told we could get that many. In fact every campaign promise never even came close to the hype or claims. The fans were so ill treated and despite being in the majority Bioware simply has to say. No you're not and they retreat back into their self praising organization. When the fans can praise you and you don't need to retreat to your fortress that is success.

But hey, I am a year into this and I am still just as peeved as I was when I finished the game. The ending is terrible, the way the fans were treated was terrible and all this company can do is continue to ban or ignore dissenters.

At this point the damage control should be how it treats fans, but who cares right?

Just stop buying their games. These people blindly defend a new corporate policy that makes their fans expendable and they don't even realize that if the next series ME4 doesn't perform well that most of their jobs will be just as expendable as the fans they betrayed.

Thank god they expanded to multiple platforms because I guarentee if they just went off the original xbox as a point of sale reference for comparison they would be in trouble.

Anyways we're in the majority based on BW and polls made over the past year.


BTW a game that transfers all your decisions that eventually play out in the final conflict is a great idea. An idea that still hasn't ever been tried!

[Adoramei]

tickle267 wrote...

Adoramei wrote...

Haha. I know what you mean. I'm honestly playing through 1 at the moment between schoolwork and posting here.. And.. SW:TOR.. Ah, crap. Distractions. e_e

i'm amazed you can even attempt schoolwork, i gave up trying to do collegework at home ages ago, last time i tried i got distraction when it started to snow (yes i know it's stupid) so i do ALL my work at college, where i can at least focus.

Well, ME3 was my Spring Break project. Unfortunately, it's still lingering on my mind, and I need to get it out of the system, thus the forum ranting. (Plus, I have no choice in the matter. I either do my schoolwork or get kicked out of the Nursing program I've worked so hard on. Couldn't even wait to play this for gradutation in May. Kind of wish I did now.)

In any case.. rabble rabble rabble. *shakefist* I think I'm going to leave the forums and go back to ME1- I mean.. schoolwork.

[Pcmag1]

I sort of thought, that if I could find one story branch that made Shepard's death meaningful (sacrifice for sake of sacrifice is not meaningful), I would be fine with the ending. And I believe that I found one. Renegade femshep with Thane as LI. Watching Citadel DLC's Thanes memorial (especially the meeting over the ocean part), I can understand that at the end, Shepard who sacrificed so much and lost the one person she loved, might actually want to join her love and while still extremely sad, I can see that Shepard, might no longer want to fight and therefore it is acceptable for her to accept one of Catalyst's choices.

That being said, star-brat part (and jungle landing, especially after extended ending it makes no sense whatsoever) is still nonsensical, in order to pull of deus ex machina you need to set it up properly, which in this game didn't happen, it just felt rushed and forced.

So the ending no longer enrages me, but it is still extremely weak.

Sorry for bad grammar, English is not my native language.

[Adoramei]

I was actually thinking the same thing with the Thane romance, Pcmag1. But I'm too interested in the other love interests to ever pursue him, in all honesty.

[Robhuzz]

tickle267 wrote...

not knowing what happens has put me off playing ME3, and even ME1 and ME2 feel bitter, with headcannon >  being the only thing to will me on, which isn't good.

I guess I can understand that, but when looking from a developer point of view... it's impossible to know exactly what kind of future a player has in store for Shepard. Some want him/her returning to the alliance. Others want to settle down. I'm a sucker for happy endings. There's enough sadness in the real world. I do not need it in my games. So I headcanon Shepard to live for 100s of years due to his implants significantly slowing the rate at which he ages. Others do not. There's no way to accurately reflect all that in an epilogue.

If it had been up to me, I'd have expanded the final conversation with Anderson by several minutes and having him ask Shepard what's next for him (at this point they've practically won - or so they think - so there's time to look to the future). Then Shepard could explain his plans for the future, allowing for a more personal epilogue to be made. Obviously bioware failed spectacularly in this department, but I do not think under the current circumstances it would've been possible to make a detailed epilogue for Shepard. At least not one that would go against at least some people's headcanons for Shepard's future. So I would've been happy with a small epilogue showing a few pictures of Shepard and various companions, I could've taken it from there.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 18 mars 2013 - 09:18 .

[Pcmag1]

locsphere wrote...

This goes beyond the ending now. It was the treatment of the fans that we're now peeved about. BW continues to pat itself on the back and listens selectively to fan feedback as long as it does not deal with the ending.

They call us entitled and in the minority despite all the polls taken over the past year still having a beef with the ending.

Now its about being treated like we were unreasonable. First off we never asked for 16 endings. We were told a possibility of 16 and would have been happy with 6 heck even 3 radically different endings.

We were lead to believe that choices would have a profond impact on the endings. Those major choices being the Rachni Queen, the Councel and saving the destiny ascension. Admiral or Udina on the counsel. The Reaper base. all of them had 0 impact.

We were told no ABC endings where we could say what kind of ending we got... Yet that's what we got. Bold claims were made and were scolded and talked down too simply for taking BW up on their offer.

What did we get. BW reps saying at pax East we couldn't possibly expect 149 different endings... I agree we were never told we could get that many. In fact every campaign promise never even came close to the hype or claims. The fans were so ill treated and despite being in the majority Bioware simply has to say. No you're not and they retreat back into their self praising organization. When the fans can praise you and you don't need to retreat to your fortress that is success.

But hey, I am a year into this and I am still just as peeved as I was when I finished the game. The ending is terrible, the way the fans were treated was terrible and all this company can do is continue to ban or ignore dissenters.

At this point the damage control should be how it treats fans, but who cares right?

Just stop buying their games. These people blindly defend a new corporate policy that makes their fans expendable and they don't even realize that if the next series ME4 doesn't perform well that most of their jobs will be just as expendable as the fans they betrayed.

Thank god they expanded to multiple platforms because I guarentee if they just went off the original xbox as a point of sale reference for comparison they would be in trouble.

Anyways we're in the majority based on BW and polls made over the past year.


BTW a game that transfers all your decisions that eventually play out in the final conflict is a great idea. An idea that still hasn't ever been tried!

Well, to be honest, I still am kind of split about how they reacted, on one side I was disguised by markeing (no other game has ever stirred such emotions) on other I actually think that if they just shut the discussion boards off for few weaks and didnt bother with extended end, the uproar would have died out much sooner and would not have reach the mass hysteria status. (I do think the ending sucks, I really hoped the IT was true, but still I was kind of dissapointed when EC came out because, it did feel rushed and it actually killed some themes that were presented in original ending)

[Maverick827]

locsphere wrote...

Anyways we're in the majority based on BW and polls made over the past year.

Quotes a widely-disregarded video.

Thinks his argument succeeds.

[Pcmag1]

Adoramei wrote...

I was actually thinking the same thing with the Thane romance, Pcmag1. But I'm too interested in the other love interests to ever pursue him, in all honesty.

Well, my "main" shepard is devoted to Liara. But then the ending is, well, bad. The Thane romance allowed me to reach certain peace with the game as a whole. It took me year +this DLC to even start second playthrough, I hated the ending that much. 

[Robhuzz]

tickle267 wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

tickle267 wrote...

not knowing what happens has put me off playing ME3, and even ME1 and ME2 feel bitter, with headcannon >  being the only thing to will me on, which isn't good.

I guess I can understand that, but when looking from a developer point of view... it's impossible to know exactly what kind of future a player has in store for Shepard. Some want him/her returning to the alliance. Others want to settle down. I'm a sucker for happy endings. There's enough sadness in the real world. I do not need it in my games. So I headcanon Shepard to live for 100s of years due to his implants significantly slowing the rate at which he ages. Others do not. There's no way to accurately reflect all that in an epilogue.

If it had been up to me, I'd have expanded the final conversation with Anderson by several minutes and having him ask Shepard what's next for him (at this point they've practically won - or so they think - so there's time to look to the future). Then Shepard could explain his plans for the future, allowing for a more personal epilogue to be made. Obviously bioware failed spectacularly in this department, but I do not think under the current circumstances it would've been possible to make a detailed epilogue for Shepard. At least not one that would go against at least some people's headcanons for Shepard's future.

surely the amount of blue baby talk with liara settles what we'd see for that slide? 

Can never have too much Liara:P
But that's a different subject entirely ofc..

The point of that wall of text however was more that making a personalized epilogue for everyone is quite hard because the game does not register everything Shepard says or does and so there's always lots of blanks that would need to be filled in. If bioware does that, you'll end up with a lot of unhappy people who suddenly get an epilogue that doesn't fit their headcanon.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 18 mars 2013 - 09:29 .

[dsl08002]

Nope still hate it, even after EC didnt help at all because it was the same ending with a few more scenes.

I loved the Citadel DLC, every moment of it. but when that is finished you have to Wake up and face that the ending remains with the terrible last 30 minutes.

The best way to enjoy the Citadel DLC is never finish ME3s ending

[Ryoten]

I will not forgive bioware. They did not apologize. The begrugingly did the EC.


I could try to enjoy the game, but bioware and the attitude of pro enders being vocal (in a condasending way) have ruined the appeal of the trilogy for me.

[RedBeardJim]

tickle267 wrote...


yes... schoolwork.

[Robhuzz]

tickle267 wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

tickle267 wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

tickle267 wrote...

not knowing what happens has put me off playing ME3, and even ME1 and ME2 feel bitter, with headcannon >  being the only thing to will me on, which isn't good.

*snip*

surely the amount of blue baby talk with liara settles what we'd see for that slide? 

Can never have too much Liara:P
But that's a different subject entirely ofc..

The point of that wall of text however was more that making a personalized epilogue for everyone is quite hard because the game does not register everything Shepard says or does and so there's always lots of blanks that would need to be filled in. If bioware does that, you'll end up with a lot of unhappy people who suddenly get an epilogue that doesn't fit their headcanon.

lol i agree with your opinion on liara, but anyway the slides we're given at the moment aren't exactly detailed are they? they only show the immediate future (except for the krogan), like kasumi with her grey box and zaeed on the beach. surely everyone would like to see a slide showing shep and LI reuniting?

Well I didn't say bioware did a good job on the current epilogue:P. There were some nice slides but ultimately there was way too little information. DAO had a much better epilogue and that was just for a single game. And no information at all about Shepard and his LI. Thank the artistic minds at bioware for that since obviously to them the breath scene was enough.

[Clayless]

Ryoten wrote...

I will not forgive bioware. They did not apologize. The begrugingly did the EC.


I could try to enjoy the game, but bioware and the attitude of pro enders being vocal (in a condasending way) have ruined the appeal of the trilogy for me.

Apologise for what? Free DLC?

[Mixon]

hell destroyer wrote...

Did you forgive the ending of Me3 with the Extended Cut or with the Citadel DLC? Do you like Me3 now? Are you still mad at it or you can enjoy it now?
Would you have liked ME3 if the base game shipped with the EC and Citadel DLC contents?

Myself, I've forgiven it with the EC.

Citadel was great dlc, but the fact of ending killed the interest in Mass Effect game, no hate or forgiveness, just not interest now.

[RaiderFaid]

I'm torn over the ending. I 'could' be satisfied, the EC answered some of my questions and helped a very little. However while enjoying Citadel it doesn't do anything to change the endings. For me the endings were terrible. And ok, while I would have loved a happy ending I can live with a tragic one... Ambiguous is a little harder to swallow, especially when done badly. I was really hoping that the IT would be true, and in my ME Headverse it is what happens, however at this point there is only 2 ways that I could be satisfied with the endings.

1) More DLC altering the endings enough that there is a happy option with a satisfying epilogue.

2) ME4 - I was thinking about this, no one knows when ME4 will take place, and while I could get into a first contact war game... given that the endings were so fubar I'd set ME4 after 3, so it runs in order... this allows for the player to play IN the universe that Shepards sacrifice(?? maybe... or not??) created. That being the case we already know (thanks to the weird scene with the kid at the end of the credits) that Shepard is a legend, so whatever the actual story is that you play. You can easily slip in a way for players to find out what actually happened to Shepard or everyone else into the game.

Not as satisfying as having a good ending to start with but I think thats mostly what I want. I want to know what the hell actually happened, who's alive, who's dead and what did they get up to when all was said and done?... OH! And I dont want to have to choose to kill the Geth and EDI just because I destroy the reapers.... I am sure I picked up a war asset that allows for better targeting than that.

[Nashtalia]

as someone who became a Legend died at that, saving the Galaxy by eliminating the whole Reaper population....I am Satisfied

[please note: i have not seen the EC nor have interest in it, as i am satisfied of how my ending went, and this is coming from someone who only been on ME3, i have not had a go at the first and second ME]

[Yes]

[Mordanticus]

locsphere wrote...

This goes beyond the ending now. It was the treatment of the fans that we're now peeved about. BW continues to pat itself on the back and listens selectively to fan feedback as long as it does not deal with the ending.

They call us entitled and in the minority despite all the polls taken over the past year still having a beef with the ending.

Now its about being treated like we were unreasonable. First off we never asked for 16 endings. We were told a possibility of 16 and would have been happy with 6 heck even 3 radically different endings.

We were lead to believe that choices would have a profond impact on the endings. Those major choices being the Rachni Queen, the Councel and saving the destiny ascension. Admiral or Udina on the counsel. The Reaper base. all of them had 0 impact.

We were told no ABC endings where we could say what kind of ending we got... Yet that's what we got. Bold claims were made and were scolded and talked down too simply for taking BW up on their offer.

What did we get. BW reps saying at pax East we couldn't possibly expect 149 different endings... I agree we were never told we could get that many. In fact every campaign promise never even came close to the hype or claims. The fans were so ill treated and despite being in the majority Bioware simply has to say. No you're not and they retreat back into their self praising organization. When the fans can praise you and you don't need to retreat to your fortress that is success.

But hey, I am a year into this and I am still just as peeved as I was when I finished the game. The ending is terrible, the way the fans were treated was terrible and all this company can do is continue to ban or ignore dissenters.

At this point the damage control should be how it treats fans, but who cares right?

Just stop buying their games. These people blindly defend a new corporate policy that makes their fans expendable and they don't even realize that if the next series ME4 doesn't perform well that most of their jobs will be just as expendable as the fans they betrayed.

I agree with this posting 100%.. After the Citadel DLC, I can't bring myself to buy anything Bioware anymore.. Hard enough to convince myself just to buy the Citadel.. Though I did like it, it still doesn't undo the depressing under-theme of knowing no matter what, you will still lose..

Hold the Line.. For life..