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[MegaSovereign]

This argument is silly and amusing at the same time.

[Ownedbacon]

Eterna5 wrote...

Ownedbacon wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Ownedbacon wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

EC made the endings worse for me. Am I the only one who feels that way?

Well having the Normandy get out of a space fire-fight, land in full view of Harbinger and not get shot at once while picking up your injured squad is pretty much head-desk EPIC FAIL imo.

-Polaris

Reaper IFF. At multiple points in the game EDI mentions that the Normandy is effectively disguised as a Reaper on scanners. Also, Nowhere does it even say Reapers have eyes, they most likely see through scanning their environment. 

Except when you're in the galaxy map and alert them. They enter the system and hunt you down. Why wouldn't the disguise still work? They could scan and find only Reapers, what would make them pursue you if they didn't have any other ways to recognize the Normandy as an enemy?

 The IFF is a costume, when the Nomrandy emits a pulse it is pretty much screaming "I am not a Reaper!".  That is why they only chase you after scanning for a bit. 

How can they pinpoint which vessel emitted the pulse if they aren't in the system? From what you're saying they only scan, and the Reaper IFF fools those scans. So unknowing of which vessel emitted those scan pulses how could they pinpoint exactly since other Reaper ships arrived in that system as well? The Normandy could have very well been just another Reaper ship on patrol after those pulses emitted.

Emitting scans pinpoints the exact location of the vessel that emmited it. 

I emit scans, stop scanning and leave that specific area, how else could the Reapers determine for sure if the Normandy was that ship that emitted those scans if the IFF fools them so well? There could have been another ship that sent scans out in the area and the Normandy could have just been another Reaper investigating.

I have a hard time believing the IFF fooled Harbinger so well, if he's scanning couldn't say "Hey whats that Reaper unloading organic troops for?" Why is it floating there and not assisting me? The Reapers are just dumbed down in ME3 couldn't it just as well communicate with fellow Reapers, and by the Normandy not responding like a Reaper know it isn't one?

Modifié par Ownedbacon, 14 mars 2013 - 09:05 .

[frostajulie]

NeonFlux117 wrote...

nah, I thought ME3 was a great game with an awful, horrible, terrible disgusting ending. Pre EC

I thought ME3 was a great game with an awful, horrible, terrible disgusting ending Post EC.


I think the Citadel DLC is easily the best content of ME3- appart from priotity rannoch and tuchanka. And it makes ME3 a better game. But the end of ME3 is a turd sandwich. With the EC it's a turd sandwich, with mayo, some lettuce and cheese- but it's still a turd sandwich.

But I love ME and I think ME3 is a great game, albeit the weakest in the series

Thank you Neonflux.  This is how I feel as well just changed a few things and now I don't have to type a bunch of stuff.

Modifié par frostajulie, 14 mars 2013 - 08:57 .

[Eterna]

Hexley UK wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...



Oh look eyes.

I believe that is a Lazer with two lights on the side. Even if they have eyes nowhere is it stated they see as organics do. I mean, how could they? They don't have anything that organic eyes do. 

Probably more like cameras than organic eyes like the Terminator.....seriously you think they would design Reapers without the ability to see? Just laughable.

They can see by emitting scans, think sonar similar to what a bat has. With the Reaper IFF the Normandy appears as a reaper in those scans, which is why Harbinger lets it be. 

So you honestly believe that Reapers would be designed both blind and deaf (I see no ears)?

They are not blind, they just don't see the ways organics do. This is exploited by the Reaper IFF.

[MrGMM88]

Eterna5 wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

MrGMM88 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Prove to me that Reapers have eyes, they have lights that mimic eyes, but prove to me they see as organics do?

Cant be disproven just like you cant prove it.

Actually I can, The human eye has a Cornea, Iris, Retina, and a eye lens. All of these are essential for sight. Reapers being Synthetic constructs don't have these. How could they possibly see like us? Are you going to argue that Reapers have an occipital lobe, and retinas? 

Just rediculous, cameras can see.

Stick cameras on a robot with AI....bobs your uncle seeing robot.

Yes, those lights are clearly cameras. 

Ok so lets assume they are lights
Why would they reapers need lights if they got no eyes?

[Eterna]

Reapers are all about demoralization, their "eyes" are meant to unsettle. Also Capital Ship have theur "Eyes" Pretty much underneath their body, they would be extremely inefficient to see with. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 14 mars 2013 - 09:00 .

[NovaBlastMarketing]

nope in fact I dislike the ending even more after playing Cidadel DLC .

To the point where i wrote a whole post about it and wanted to change the rating i gave it 0/10 to a negative number in my review.

[FlyingSquirrel]

For me, the EC plus Leviathan made the endings disappointing but acceptable. There are still a number of ways in which they could and should have been better, but they aren't the huge WTF moments that they were when the game was first released.

The Citadel DLC doesn't change my mind one way or the other - the "hell of a ride" scene and some of the extra squadmate interactions are worthwhile, but overall it's still tonally inconsistent with the rest of the game and a bit biased towards Renegades.

[jstme]

Its good that there is EC and Citadel, it is even better that there is MEHEM - no longer angry ,which is good.
And there is nothing i should forgive for, i am simply much more cautious about Bioware (and EA in general) products then before,certainly no longer preordering stuff.

[Steve The Seal]

Short answer: No..

[MrGMM88]

Eterna5 wrote...

Reapers are all about demoralization, their "eyes" are meant to unsettle. Also Capital Ship have theur "Eyes" Pretty much underneath their body, they would be extremely inefficient to see with. 

Now you are just grasping at straws.

[Ownedbacon]

Eterna5 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

EC made the endings worse for me. Am I the only one who feels that way?

Well having the Normandy get out of a space fire-fight, land in full view of Harbinger and not get shot at once while picking up your injured squad is pretty much head-desk EPIC FAIL imo.

-Polaris

Reaper IFF. At multiple points in the game EDI mentions that the Normandy is effectively disguised as a Reaper on scanners. Also, Nowhere does it even say Reapers have eyes, they most likely see through scanning their environment. 

No, just no.  Normandy is FULLY Visible.  Reapers have no trouble detecting and chasing (and killing) the Normandy during the space exploration scenes in ME3.  Not only that, but the Mark 1 eyeball can easily see Normandy and it sits there FOR MINUTES while Harby kindly lets the Normandy do a pickup.

No.  That is just terrible writing right there.

-Polaris

Edit PS:  Even if Harby didn't see normally (and I see no reason why he couldn't....he clearly does elsewhere...his minions clearly do, and we know there are a few (Marauder Shields and the Three Huskeleers) nearby and Harby is in communication with his minions.

Prove to me that Reapers have eyes, they have lights that mimic eyes, but prove to me they see as organics do?

The IFF provides a costume, scanning gives away the fact that the Normandy is not a Reaper because the scan pulse it emits is distinctly not Reaper. If the Nomrandy wasn't wearing a costume it couldn't enter any Reaper Controlled System because the Reapers have surrounded every planet and infested every system. Without someway of being hidden the Normandy would easilly be destroyed. 

 I don't know why you're so opposed to this, EDi clearly states that the Nomrandy is disguised as a Reaper in game, it is cannon. 

The Reaper IFF disguises them as much as the Imperial shuttle in ROTJ disguised the Rebels. If looked closely enough they could have been caught. The Reapers have to have some other means of communication and perception (not eyes exactly) to determine friend from foe other than the IFF. It's especially odd since the Normandy isn't acting like a Reaper on the battlefield and moves differently. I just don't see the Reapers being fooled by those things at close range.

Modifié par Ownedbacon, 14 mars 2013 - 09:03 .

[Eterna]

Ownedbacon wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

EC made the endings worse for me. Am I the only one who feels that way?

Well having the Normandy get out of a space fire-fight, land in full view of Harbinger and not get shot at once while picking up your injured squad is pretty much head-desk EPIC FAIL imo.

-Polaris

Reaper IFF. At multiple points in the game EDI mentions that the Normandy is effectively disguised as a Reaper on scanners. Also, Nowhere does it even say Reapers have eyes, they most likely see through scanning their environment. 

No, just no.  Normandy is FULLY Visible.  Reapers have no trouble detecting and chasing (and killing) the Normandy during the space exploration scenes in ME3.  Not only that, but the Mark 1 eyeball can easily see Normandy and it sits there FOR MINUTES while Harby kindly lets the Normandy do a pickup.

No.  That is just terrible writing right there.

-Polaris

Edit PS:  Even if Harby didn't see normally (and I see no reason why he couldn't....he clearly does elsewhere...his minions clearly do, and we know there are a few (Marauder Shields and the Three Huskeleers) nearby and Harby is in communication with his minions.

Prove to me that Reapers have eyes, they have lights that mimic eyes, but prove to me they see as organics do?

The IFF provides a costume, scanning gives away the fact that the Normandy is not a Reaper because the scan pulse it emits is distinctly not Reaper. If the Nomrandy wasn't wearing a costume it couldn't enter any Reaper Controlled System because the Reapers have surrounded every planet and infested every system. Without someway of being hidden the Normandy would easilly be destroyed. 

 I don't know why you're so opposed to this, EDi clearly states that the Nomrandy is disguised as a Reaper in game, it is cannon. 

The Reaper IFF disguises them as much as the Imperial shuttle in ROTJ disguised the Rebels. If looked closely enough they could have been caught. The Reapers have to have some other means of communication and perception (not eyes exactly) to determine friend from foe other than the IFF. Its especially odd since the Normandy isn't acting like a Reaper on the battlefield and moves differently. I just don't see the Reapers being fooled by those things at close range.

And yet, the evac scene implies they are. 

[Hexley UK]

Eterna5 wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

MrGMM88 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Prove to me that Reapers have eyes, they have lights that mimic eyes, but prove to me they see as organics do?

Cant be disproven just like you cant prove it.

Actually I can, The human eye has a Cornea, Iris, Retina, and a eye lens. All of these are essential for sight. Reapers being Synthetic constructs don't have these. How could they possibly see like us? Are you going to argue that Reapers have an occipital lobe, and retinas? 

Just rediculous, cameras can see.

Stick cameras on a robot with AI....bobs your uncle seeing robot.

Yes, those lights are clearly cameras. 

You realise that right now we can get robots to visually recognise people and objects through the use of AI and cameras right?

But giant super AI robot monsters in the future don't have every sort of analysis possible (RADAR, LADAR, SONAR, Infra-Red, Optical, Low-light ect....ect. many of which US drones actually use right now) they just only ever use to complete exclusivity Reaper "Bat sonar".

If you believe that then I honestly don't know what to say to you.

[Apocaleepse360]

Eterna5 wrote...

Apocaleepse360 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

None of you know for sure if Reapers have eyes.

If they couldn't actually SEE, they'd have a harder time exterminating species. Think about it. If they saw through scanners alone, then a previous civilization would have found that weakness and exploited it. It's not that hard to do, given the jamming equipment militaries have today.

They aren't blind, they just don't see like organics do. They literally can't without an organic eye. 

Probably not, but they can still see. Perhaps in a way that a camera can, for example. Like I said before, it would be pretty stupid to harvest species, take away their best qualities and make them a Reaper, but not use one of the best qualities organics have - sight.

But if you still believe that Reapers can't visualize reality, then surely ol' Harby would want to know why organics are willingly boarding his fellow "Reaper". Or why that "Reaper" was there in the first place. It'd want to do a security check at least. You know, like our militaries do when someone appears out of the ordinary.

[Eterna]

Hexley UK wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

MrGMM88 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Prove to me that Reapers have eyes, they have lights that mimic eyes, but prove to me they see as organics do?

Cant be disproven just like you cant prove it.

Actually I can, The human eye has a Cornea, Iris, Retina, and a eye lens. All of these are essential for sight. Reapers being Synthetic constructs don't have these. How could they possibly see like us? Are you going to argue that Reapers have an occipital lobe, and retinas? 

Just rediculous, cameras can see.

Stick cameras on a robot with AI....bobs your uncle seeing robot.

Yes, those lights are clearly cameras. 

You realise that right now we can get robots to visually recognise people and objects through the use of AI and cameras right?

But giant super AI robot monsters in the future don't have every sort of analysis possible (RADAR, LADAR, SONAR, Infra-Red, Optical, Low-light ect....ect. many of which US drones actually use right now) they just only ever use to complete exclusivity Reaper "Bat sonar".

If you believe that then I honestly don't know what to say to you.

Implying that Reapers have the same simplistic scans we have now.

lol

[im commander shep]

Ownedbacon wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Ownedbacon wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Ownedbacon wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...

Mumba1511 wrote...

EC made the endings worse for me. Am I the only one who feels that way?

Well having the Normandy get out of a space fire-fight, land in full view of Harbinger and not get shot at once while picking up your injured squad is pretty much head-desk EPIC FAIL imo.

-Polaris

Reaper IFF. At multiple points in the game EDI mentions that the Normandy is effectively disguised as a Reaper on scanners. Also, Nowhere does it even say Reapers have eyes, they most likely see through scanning their environment. 

Except when you're in the galaxy map and alert them. They enter the system and hunt you down. Why wouldn't the disguise still work? They could scan and find only Reapers, what would make them pursue you if they didn't have any other ways to recognize the Normandy as an enemy?

 The IFF is a costume, when the Nomrandy emits a pulse it is pretty much screaming "I am not a Reaper!".  That is why they only chase you after scanning for a bit. 

How can they pinpoint which vessel emitted the pulse if they aren't in the system? From what you're saying they only scan, and the Reaper IFF fools those scans. So unknowing of which vessel emitted those scan pulses how could they pinpoint exactly since other Reaper ships arrived in that system as well? The Normandy could have very well been just another Reaper ship on patrol after those pulses emitted.

Emitting scans pinpoints the exact location of the vessel that emmited it. 

I emit scans, stop scanning and leave that specific area, how else could the Reapers determine for sure if the Normandy was that ship that emitted those scans if the IFF fools them so well? There could have been another ship that sent scans out in the area and the Normandy could have just been another Reaper investigating.

I have a hard time believing the IFF fooled Harbinger so well, if hes scanning couldn't say hey whats that Reaper unloading organic troops for? Why is it floating there and not assisting me? The Reapers are just dumbed down in ME3 couldn't it just as well communicate with fellow Reapers and by the Normandy not responding like a Reaper know it isn't one?

Either way eyes no eyes the story is crap.

If the IFF is so amazing that the Normandy can fly right in front of the lead reaper on earth ground zero and no reaper not have see it? WHY THE HELL NOT DROP EVERYONE ON THE BEAM FROM THE NORMANDY AND FORGET ALL OF PRIORITY EARTH.
Story/plot doesn't work EC scene makes no different.

[MrGMM88]

Eterna5 wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

MrGMM88 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Prove to me that Reapers have eyes, they have lights that mimic eyes, but prove to me they see as organics do?

Cant be disproven just like you cant prove it.

Actually I can, The human eye has a Cornea, Iris, Retina, and a eye lens. All of these are essential for sight. Reapers being Synthetic constructs don't have these. How could they possibly see like us? Are you going to argue that Reapers have an occipital lobe, and retinas? 

Just rediculous, cameras can see.

Stick cameras on a robot with AI....bobs your uncle seeing robot.

Yes, those lights are clearly cameras. 

You realise that right now we can get robots to visually recognise people and objects through the use of AI and cameras right?

But giant super AI robot monsters in the future don't have every sort of analysis possible (RADAR, LADAR, SONAR, Infra-Red, Optical, Low-light ect....ect. many of which US drones actually use right now) they just only ever use to complete exclusivity Reaper "Bat sonar".

If you believe that then I honestly don't know what to say to you.

Implying that Reapers have the same simplistic scans we have now.

lol

Cant be that good if they were tricked by the normandy.

[Ownedbacon]

Eterna5 wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

MrGMM88 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Prove to me that Reapers have eyes, they have lights that mimic eyes, but prove to me they see as organics do?

Cant be disproven just like you cant prove it.

Actually I can, The human eye has a Cornea, Iris, Retina, and a eye lens. All of these are essential for sight. Reapers being Synthetic constructs don't have these. How could they possibly see like us? Are you going to argue that Reapers have an occipital lobe, and retinas? 

Just rediculous, cameras can see.

Stick cameras on a robot with AI....bobs your uncle seeing robot.

Yes, those lights are clearly cameras. 

You realise that right now we can get robots to visually recognise people and objects through the use of AI and cameras right?

But giant super AI robot monsters in the future don't have every sort of analysis possible (RADAR, LADAR, SONAR, Infra-Red, Optical, Low-light ect....ect. many of which US drones actually use right now) they just only ever use to complete exclusivity Reaper "Bat sonar".

If you believe that then I honestly don't know what to say to you.

Implying that Reapers have the same simplistic scans we have now.

lol

They should be better and not so easily exploited at close range.

[wright1978]

im commander shep wrote...

If the IFF is so amazing that the Normandy can fly right in front of the lead reaper on earth ground zero and no reaper not have see it? WHY THE HELL NOT DROP EVERYONE ON THE BEAM FROM THE NORMANDY AND FORGET ALL OF PRIORITY EARTH.
Story/plot doesn't work EC scene makes no different.

Yep This. They dug a big fresh hole, trying rather unsuccessfully imo to fill another hole.

[Eterna]

Ownedbacon wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

MrGMM88 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Prove to me that Reapers have eyes, they have lights that mimic eyes, but prove to me they see as organics do?

Cant be disproven just like you cant prove it.

Actually I can, The human eye has a Cornea, Iris, Retina, and a eye lens. All of these are essential for sight. Reapers being Synthetic constructs don't have these. How could they possibly see like us? Are you going to argue that Reapers have an occipital lobe, and retinas? 

Just rediculous, cameras can see.

Stick cameras on a robot with AI....bobs your uncle seeing robot.

Yes, those lights are clearly cameras. 

You realise that right now we can get robots to visually recognise people and objects through the use of AI and cameras right?

But giant super AI robot monsters in the future don't have every sort of analysis possible (RADAR, LADAR, SONAR, Infra-Red, Optical, Low-light ect....ect. many of which US drones actually use right now) they just only ever use to complete exclusivity Reaper "Bat sonar".

If you believe that then I honestly don't know what to say to you.

Implying that Reapers have the same simplistic scans we have now.

lol

They should be better and not so easily exploited at close range.

What do you mean easily exploited? In order for the Nomrandy to pull it off it needed t have an advanced piece of Reaper tech pulled from a Dead Reaper and then modified by an advanced Ships AI. 

[Hexley UK]

Eterna5 wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

MrGMM88 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Prove to me that Reapers have eyes, they have lights that mimic eyes, but prove to me they see as organics do?

Cant be disproven just like you cant prove it.

Actually I can, The human eye has a Cornea, Iris, Retina, and a eye lens. All of these are essential for sight. Reapers being Synthetic constructs don't have these. How could they possibly see like us? Are you going to argue that Reapers have an occipital lobe, and retinas? 

Just rediculous, cameras can see.

Stick cameras on a robot with AI....bobs your uncle seeing robot.

Yes, those lights are clearly cameras. 

You realise that right now we can get robots to visually recognise people and objects through the use of AI and cameras right?

But giant super AI robot monsters in the future don't have every sort of analysis possible (RADAR, LADAR, SONAR, Infra-Red, Optical, Low-light ect....ect. many of which US drones actually use right now) they just only ever use to complete exclusivity Reaper "Bat sonar".

If you believe that then I honestly don't know what to say to you.

Implying that Reapers have the same simplistic scans we have now.

lol

And yet they can't pick out Normandy when it's right in front of them....so not so advanced then huh?

And they have lights but not the ability to see huh?

And they can't tell Shepard out from any other human huh?

Honestly m8 you'd headcanon your way into believing anything...even something patently ludicrous.

[Apocaleepse360]

im commander shep wrote...
If the IFF is so amazing that the Normandy can fly right in front of the lead reaper on earth ground zero and no reaper not have see it? WHY THE HELL NOT DROP EVERYONE ON THE BEAM FROM THE NORMANDY AND FORGET ALL OF PRIORITY EARTH.

Because Marauder Shields would see through the Normandy's disguise. 

Modifié par Apocaleepse360, 14 mars 2013 - 09:11 .

[SpamBot2000]

Did the EC or the Citadel DLC fix the ending? Nope.

Did BW ever say they were sorry for the lies and the insults? Again, N to the ope.

[MrGMM88]

Eterna5 wrote...

What do you mean easily exploited? In order for the Nomrandy to pull it off it needed t have an advanced piece of Reaper tech pulled from a Dead Reaper and then modified by an advanced Ships AI. 

In a nutshell they are faking the IFF signal. Sounds like a easy way to win the war. Just replicate the IFF like cerberus did and mount in on the ships. Then attack. The reapers wont know whats going on