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[Apocaleepse360]

Eterna5 wrote...

MrGMM88 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...


Psychological warfare, I already answered this.

So in your mind its more likely that the "light/eyes" were installed to frigthen people instead of being additional sensory input devices?

Yup. 

They can indoctrinate just about every organic being. They're bigger than most organic species' ships in the Mass Effect universe. Their lasers can punch through just about every defense out there. But oh no, God save us, they have lights! <_<

[Eterna]

Apocaleepse360 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

MrGMM88 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...


Psychological warfare, I already answered this.

So in your mind its more likely that the "light/eyes" were installed to frigthen people instead of being additional sensory input devices?

Yup. 

They can indoctrinate just about every organic being. They're bigger than most organic species' ships in the Mass Effect universe. Their lasers can punch through just about every defense out there. But oh no, God save us, they have lights! <_<

Things are infinitely more horrific when they stare at you. 

[MrGMM88]

Eterna5 wrote...

Apocaleepse360 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

MrGMM88 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...


Psychological warfare, I already answered this.

So in your mind its more likely that the "light/eyes" were installed to frigthen people instead of being additional sensory input devices?

Yup. 

They can indoctrinate just about every organic being. They're bigger than most organic species' ships in the Mass Effect universe. Their lasers can punch through just about every defense out there. But oh no, God save us, they have lights! <_<

Things are infinitely more horrific when they stare at you. 

Like a lunatic fanboy who would accept any idea unless its that the writers dropped the ball?

[Riot86]

Eterna5 wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Or maybe I enjoy riling people up. You make it so easy. 

Which doesn't make it any better...on the contrary.

c[_] <------- My care cup is empty.  

Before this becomes even more spam:

Would you be so nice to answer the questions I asked myself concerning your Nanites explantion of Synthesis? (To refresh your memory: "Where do they come from? Who build them?")

Modifié par Riot86, 14 mars 2013 - 09:41 .

[Barquiel]

The endings were certainly less than optimal, but I've made my peace with them and stopped complaining. The EC helped quite a bit (Hacketts epilogue speech, no dark age in destroy, rebuilt Thessia/Earth, Liara not putting the Shepard name plate on the memorial).

[Asharad Hett]

Eterna5 wrote...

Reap_ii wrote...

ending still sits way outside of ME thematically. it still just doesn't make sense.

It does fit themeatically and it does make sense. 

Negatory. 

[Maverick827]

Riot86 wrote...

Would you be so nice to answer the questions I asked myself concerning your Nanites explantion of Synthesis? (To refresh your memory: "Where do they come from? Who build them?")

I thought it was fairly obvious that one of the many civilizations who added to the Crucible over the millions and millions of years of harvesting added the functionality to Synthesize.  Others added Control.  Others added Destroy (or most likely, the first civilization created it to destroy).  

Humanity had no time to truly study the Crucible, so they were not able to determine what it did.  A civilization like the Protheans, who had centuries of fighting (and were far more advanced from the start), had plenty of time to discover the Crucible's various functionalities, and would improve upon the design that best fit their own views on what the best option was.  A civilization that enjoyed a long-standing peace between organics and synthetics would consider Destroy to be just as bad as the harvest, and would have sought to implement or improve upon Synthesis.  A cvilization spear headed by a group like Cerberus would have implemented or improved upon Control.

When the Crucible is plugged into the Citadel, Catalyst recognizes these various functionalities that "change the variables," alerts you to them, and explains what it processes their likely outcomes to be.  Catalyst does not control the Crucible.  He does not limit your options based on his own will, the Crucible merely provides various functions on its own.

Modifié par Maverick827, 14 mars 2013 - 09:59 .

[Eterna]

Riot86 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Or maybe I enjoy riling people up. You make it so easy. 

Which doesn't make it any better...on the contrary.

c[_] <------- My care cup is empty.  

Before this becomes even more spam:

Would you be so nice to answer the questions I asked myself concerning your Nanites explantion of Synthesis? (To refresh your memory: "Where do they come from? Who build them?")

They are Reaper nanites so I imagine that the Reapers built them. Read this for more: http://social.biowar.../index/14086419

Modifié par Eterna5, 14 mars 2013 - 09:55 .

[Ownedbacon]

Riot86 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Or maybe I enjoy riling people up. You make it so easy. 

Which doesn't make it any better...on the contrary.

c[_] <------- My care cup is empty.  

Before this becomes even more spam:

Would you be so nice to answer the questions I asked myself concerning your Nanites explantion of Synthesis? (To refresh your memory: "Where do they come from? Who build them?")

"You would not know them, and there is not enough time to explain."

I wouldn't hold your breath Eterna still hasn't been able to defend the IFF and Reaper "vision" inconsistencies.

[Eterna]

MrGMM88 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Apocaleepse360 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

MrGMM88 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...


Psychological warfare, I already answered this.

So in your mind its more likely that the "light/eyes" were installed to frigthen people instead of being additional sensory input devices?

Yup. 

They can indoctrinate just about every organic being. They're bigger than most organic species' ships in the Mass Effect universe. Their lasers can punch through just about every defense out there. But oh no, God save us, they have lights! <_<

Things are infinitely more horrific when they stare at you. 

Like a lunatic fanboy who would accept any idea unless its that the writers dropped the ball?

The writers did drop the ball at Priority Earth, I just don't think they dropped it here. But please, continue your ad hominem, it is hilarious. 

[Eterna]

Ownedbacon wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Or maybe I enjoy riling people up. You make it so easy. 

Which doesn't make it any better...on the contrary.

c[_] <------- My care cup is empty.  

Before this becomes even more spam:

Would you be so nice to answer the questions I asked myself concerning your Nanites explantion of Synthesis? (To refresh your memory: "Where do they come from? Who build them?")

"You would not know them, and there is not enough time to explain."

I wouldn't hold your breath Eterna still hasn't been able to defend the IFF and Reaper "vision" inconsistencies.

kay. 

Modifié par Eterna5, 14 mars 2013 - 09:59 .

[Giantdeathrobot]

EC addressed a few things but also highlighted how absurb the ending was in the first place (particularily the Normandy crash scene and the squadmate extraction right in front of the beam and Harbinger). The ending slides were nice, however, but it did few things more than add a few sprinkles to an already very stale cake.

Citadel didn't help anything. It's a speedbump towards the ending.

[MrGMM88]

Eterna5 wrote...

The writers did drop the ball at Priority Earth, I just don't think they dropped it here. But please, continue your ad hominem, it is hilarious. 

I wouldnt have to if you didnt treat your speculations/head canon as a fact while ignoring the obvious elephants in the room

[Eterna]

MrGMM88 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The writers did drop the ball at Priority Earth, I just don't think they dropped it here. But please, continue your ad hominem, it is hilarious. 

I wouldnt have to if you didnt treat your speculations/head canon as a fact while ignoring the obvious elephants in the room

Tell me more.

[MrGMM88]

Eterna5 wrote...

MrGMM88 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The writers did drop the ball at Priority Earth, I just don't think they dropped it here. But please, continue your ad hominem, it is hilarious. 

I wouldnt have to if you didnt treat your speculations/head canon as a fact while ignoring the obvious elephants in the room

Tell me more.

Believing that those "eyes" are just there for shockvalue instead of being additional sensory input devices is absurd.

[Maverick827]

MrGMM88 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The writers did drop the ball at Priority Earth, I just don't think they dropped it here. But please, continue your ad hominem, it is hilarious. 

I wouldnt have to if you didnt treat your speculations/head canon as a fact while ignoring the obvious elephants in the room

But it is fact.  He's already posted the video.  The Normandy can disguise itself as a Reaper.  So the only way that Harbinger could have noticed the Normandy was if Reapers have some sort of optical sensor.

Do they?  No one knows.  The fact that Harbinger did not see the Normandy would suggest that they do not.  It's rather petty and unfair to assume the negative (plot hole) than the positive (they cannot see directly).

That said, is this really a big deal?  The Normandy appearing really doesn't affect the outcome of that scene.  If you swapped a regular transport in, everything would be fine.  The rest of the mission does not hinge on Harbinger not noticing the Normandy.

[Apocaleepse360]

Maverick827 wrote...
But it is fact.  He's already posted the video.  The Normandy can disguise itself as a Reaper.  So the only way that Harbinger could have noticed the Normandy was if Reapers have some sort of optical sensor.

Do they?  No one knows.  The fact that Harbinger did not see the Normandy would suggest that they do not.  It's rather petty and unfair to assume the negative (plot hole) than the positive (they cannot see directly).

That said, is this really a big deal?  The Normandy appearing really doesn't affect the outcome of that scene.  If you swapped a regular transport in, everything would be fine.  The rest of the mission does not hinge on Harbinger not noticing the Normandy.

When you think about it, it really is a big deal considering that as stated by another user above, the Normandy, having that ability to go unnoticed by the Reapers could have easily dropped off Shepard & crew to the beam, most of the bull crap that occured on Priority: Earth could have been avoided and things might have made a touch more sense than they do as things stand now.

Modifié par Apocaleepse360, 14 mars 2013 - 10:20 .

[moater boat]

Eterna5 wrote...



Prove to me that Reapers have eyes, they have lights that mimic eyes, but prove to me they see as organics do?

Science isn't your strong point, is it?


This is the solar spectrum. Right smack dab in the middle is the visible spectrum. Now, none of us can of course PROVE that Reapers can, or cannot, detect all these wavelengths, however, suggesting that Reapers lack the ability to detect the visible part of the spectrum is like saying that the reapers can't detect radio waves, or gamma rays, or infrared. There is absolutely NO LOGICAL REASON why a god-cyborg that has had millions of years to modify and improve itself would not be able to detect every part of this spectrum. To leave any gaps would be foolish, and would make no sense whatsoever. If Reapers have the technology to make these DNA altering nanites you talk about they would be able to make sensors that can see that wavelength.

[Ownedbacon]

Eterna5 wrote...

Ownedbacon wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Riot86 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

Or maybe I enjoy riling people up. You make it so easy. 

Which doesn't make it any better...on the contrary.

c[_] <------- My care cup is empty.  

Before this becomes even more spam:

Would you be so nice to answer the questions I asked myself concerning your Nanites explantion of Synthesis? (To refresh your memory: "Where do they come from? Who build them?")

"You would not know them, and there is not enough time to explain."

I wouldn't hold your breath Eterna still hasn't been able to defend the IFF and Reaper "vision" inconsistencies.

kay. 

I already get how its used in space while trying to bypass Reapers. How can they keep up the facade in Priority Earth when Joker was just attacking other Reapers and lands and is unloading organic troops and not killing them. How come Harbinger isn't alarmed at the organics coming off of supposed Reaper?Why isn't Harbinger alarmed or other Reapers that the Normandy had been attacking other Reaper vessels in space? Wouldn't the IFF no longer work since the Normandy would no longer give out the sufficient response (like in the video) since they've been outed much like scanning in space? Wouldn't this be a dead giveaway that the "Reaper" ahead of it isn't as it appears to be?

Why even go through the trouble of landing with a shuttle if the Normandy is invisible to Reapers on account of the IFF.
In fact that is what Joker ended up doing anyways. The beam run wouldn't have had happened they could have easily landed with the Normandy.

Modifié par Ownedbacon, 14 mars 2013 - 10:24 .

[Hurbster]

The endings came out of left field and do no fit thematically with the rest of the series. Even though I can tolerate Destroy, those endings are a horrible way to end a trilogy. EC makes no difference and Citadel has nothing to do with the endings.

[Eterna]

moater boat wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...



Prove to me that Reapers have eyes, they have lights that mimic eyes, but prove to me they see as organics do?

Science isn't your strong point, is it?


This is the solar spectrum. Right smack dab in the middle is the visible spectrum. Now, none of us can of course PROVE that Reapers can, or cannot, detect all these wavelengths, however, suggesting that Reapers lack the ability to detect the visible part of the spectrum is like saying that the reapers can't detect radio waves, or gamma rays, or infrared. There is absolutely NO LOGICAL REASON why a god-cyborg that has had millions of years to modify and improve itself would not be able to detect every part of this spectrum. To leave any gaps would be foolish, and would make no sense whatsoever. If Reapers have the technology to make these DNA altering nanites you talk about they would be able to make sensors that can see that wavelength.

Says science isn't my strong point------> Presents Science, but uses Headcannon to prove his viewpoint.

You're legit. 

[Reapling]

I'll get destroyed by every community member, but watch the most recent Indoctrination Theory video (November 2012). There is SOLID EVIDENCE that Shepard is dreaming.

[xsamplexample]

please read, im no troll.

I bought ME1 at pull price new.  Im what you would call 'a true fan'.  however, I put down ME right before the whole ending fiasco really took off, but followed the whole flame war online.  i beleive in the IT, even without confimation from the devs (never denied it either. never seen them deny it, only support multiple interpretations).  Its one of those endings that just IS that way.  It doesnt need confirmation.  

maybe ME4 will take place in the distant future, and we will hear a rehash of the great victory and how shepard, although dead at the end, overcame indoctrination.  

I actually replayed the series recently on casual, as though i was watching a long movie.  It only too me a week of very sporatic gameplay to play the whole trilogy.  I made the shep resemble me physically.  I made the decisions as I would, like I did the first time i played the games.  I blocked out all knowledge I had of ramifications and sequels.  None of this 'pure paragon' and 'pure renegade' bullshish.  

well, my experience was actuallu BETTER than the first, second, or third time through.  I literally played them back to back to back, paying attention to all details and foreshadowing.  I played ME2 in a realitoc fashion; I treated the storyline as a top priority and this resulted in the collector abduction before i was truely ready.  Not everyone survived.  including tali and garrus, two of my top favs.  this means the geth/quarian war ended badly and realiticly.  

My point is that paragon, especially pure paragon, painted people's perceptions about the game and endngs.  paragon is unrealistic.  the game is supposed to be dark, not EVERYONE LIVES.  Im sorry but its true.  Im at peace with the endings and ME as a whole.  I may or may not buy ME4 (or whatever they want me to call it) depending on what its about/game genre, but I will always support it.  even to my friends that dont play games and think Im wierd for bringing it up......<_<

Modifié par xsamplexample, 14 mars 2013 - 10:30 .

[Nykara]

I have not seen the EC of yet I will admit, however my issues with the ending isn't the star kid, or even the choices we get. It's Shepard standing up there alone about to jump in to a beam of doom without even contacting the Normandy to let them know she wont be back. Without even saying goodbye to her loved one. I am sure the Starbrat would be able to patch her through so why did she have to do it alone?

Ashley got a 'hero' ending she got to say goodbye, Thane got a heros ending and got to say goodbye, Mordin even had Shep there to say goodbye to as he climbed the tower knowing he wasn't going to come back. Shepard on the other hand? All along when talking to her crew said she would be coming back - then when she knew she wouldn't be she didn't even contact anyone not even her LI. That wasn't right and that wasn't a hero's ending, hero's always get to say goodbye when they know it is the end for them. That's what I hated about my control cannon ending.

[Ownedbacon]

Maverick827 wrote...

MrGMM88 wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

The writers did drop the ball at Priority Earth, I just don't think they dropped it here. But please, continue your ad hominem, it is hilarious. 

I wouldnt have to if you didnt treat your speculations/head canon as a fact while ignoring the obvious elephants in the room

But it is fact.  He's already posted the video.  The Normandy can disguise itself as a Reaper.  So the only way that Harbinger could have noticed the Normandy was if Reapers have some sort of optical sensor.

Do they?  No one knows.  The fact that Harbinger did not see the Normandy would suggest that they do not.  It's rather petty and unfair to assume the negative (plot hole) than the positive (they cannot see directly).

That said, is this really a big deal?  The Normandy appearing really doesn't affect the outcome of that scene.  If you swapped a regular transport in, everything would be fine.  The rest of the mission does not hinge on Harbinger not noticing the Normandy.

They could have landed and avoided the beam run and the Reapers would have been none the wiser. If Harbinger is scanning for organics and the Normandy "possible Reaper" is dropping off organic troops, wouldn't that be enough to alert them that it isn't a Reaper, much like scanning in space does? Also the Normandy had been fighting Reapers in space, how long could they keep up the disguise when you are attacking them? I'm sure they have means of communicating and coordinating to warn fellow Reapers of this fake one out there, much like they can hunt down and track you in the galaxy map.

Modifié par Ownedbacon, 14 mars 2013 - 10:38 .