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[THEE_DEATHMASTER]

I've been satisfied by the MEHEM. It's good to know there's a community of techies that care enough to do things like that. Game mods are a blessing.

[Reap_ii]

moater boat wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...



Prove to me that Reapers have eyes, they have lights that mimic eyes, but prove to me they see as organics do?

Science isn't your strong point, is it?


oThis is the solar spectrum. Right smack dab in the middle is the visible spectrum. Now, none of us can of course PROVE that Reapers can, or cannot, detect all these wavelengths, however, suggesting that Reapers lack the ability to detect the visible part of the spectrum is like saying that the reapers can't detect radio waves, or gamma rays, or infrared. There is absolutely NO LOGICAL REASON why a god-cyborg that has had millions of years to modify and improve itself would not be able to detect every part of this spectrum. To leave any gaps would be foolish, and would make no sense whatsoever. If Reapers have the technology to make these DNA altering nanites you talk about they would be able to make sensors that can see that wavelength.

good post moater, and after this he still wont shut up.....      its downright stupid to assume that the Reapers cannot "see"

[moater boat]

Eterna5 wrote...

moater boat wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...



Prove to me that Reapers have eyes, they have lights that mimic eyes, but prove to me they see as organics do?

Science isn't your strong point, is it?


This is the solar spectrum. Right smack dab in the middle is the visible spectrum. Now, none of us can of course PROVE that Reapers can, or cannot, detect all these wavelengths, however, suggesting that Reapers lack the ability to detect the visible part of the spectrum is like saying that the reapers can't detect radio waves, or gamma rays, or infrared. There is absolutely NO LOGICAL REASON why a god-cyborg that has had millions of years to modify and improve itself would not be able to detect every part of this spectrum. To leave any gaps would be foolish, and would make no sense whatsoever. If Reapers have the technology to make these DNA altering nanites you talk about they would be able to make sensors that can see that wavelength.

Says science isn't my strong point------> Presents Science, but uses Headcannon to prove his viewpoint.

You're legit. 

I didn't use any headcannon. I stated FACTS, and then I drew a logical conclusion from those facts. You have yet to explain why a being of god-like power would lack a basic sensory ability possessed by most basic animals. As I said, neither of us can prove that they can detect light of that specific wavelength, but considering that Reapers have godlike powers, I'm fairly certain the burden of proof lies with you.

[Hexley UK]

moater boat wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

moater boat wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...



Prove to me that Reapers have eyes, they have lights that mimic eyes, but prove to me they see as organics do?

Science isn't your strong point, is it?


This is the solar spectrum. Right smack dab in the middle is the visible spectrum. Now, none of us can of course PROVE that Reapers can, or cannot, detect all these wavelengths, however, suggesting that Reapers lack the ability to detect the visible part of the spectrum is like saying that the reapers can't detect radio waves, or gamma rays, or infrared. There is absolutely NO LOGICAL REASON why a god-cyborg that has had millions of years to modify and improve itself would not be able to detect every part of this spectrum. To leave any gaps would be foolish, and would make no sense whatsoever. If Reapers have the technology to make these DNA altering nanites you talk about they would be able to make sensors that can see that wavelength.

Says science isn't my strong point------> Presents Science, but uses Headcannon to prove his viewpoint.

You're legit. 

I didn't use any headcannon. I stated FACTS, and then I drew a logical conclusion from those facts. You have yet to explain why a being of god-like power would lack a basic sensory ability possessed by most basic animals. As I said, neither of us can prove that they can detect light of that specific wavelength, but considering that Reapers have godlike powers, I'm fairly certain the burden of proof lies with you.

Honestly Moater i'd give up(and have), he's either wilfully ignorant or bananas either way it's not worth the effort.

Better off ignored.

Modifié par Hexley UK, 14 mars 2013 - 10:47 .

[moater boat]

Hexley UK wrote...



Honestly Moater i'd give up(and have), he's either wilfully ignorant or bananas either way it's not worth the effort.

Better off ignored.

You misunderstand me. I am not trying to change his mind, as a mind like that is not worth changing. I just enjoy making people look dumb.

[Hexley UK]

moater boat wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...



Honestly Moater i'd give up(and have), he's either wilfully ignorant or bananas either way it's not worth the effort.

Better off ignored.

You misunderstand me. I am not trying to change his mind, as a mind like that is not worth changing. I just enjoy making people look dumb.

Lol, well have at it then.

[Dubozz]

Ending sucks even more now. Especially when you see the contast between Citadel DLC and Priority Starbrat BS. But you know what? Now i just don't care. Mass Effect is dead for me.

[Apocaleepse360]

THEE_DEATHMASTER wrote...

I've been satisfied by the MEHEM. It's good to know there's a community of techies that care enough to do things like that. Game mods are a blessing.

Yeah, I've seen a few videos of it up on youtube. It's amazing how the modding community gets the ending spot on, while BioWare insist that these plot holes they created are works of art. <_<

[Nykara]

Dubozz wrote...

Ending sucks even more now. Especially when you see the contast between Citadel DLC and Priority Starbrat BS. But you know what? Now i just don't care. Mass Effect is dead for me.

*sigh* I need to get back to that place again. I had let go till I got suckered back in to it with Citadel and now I want a better ending again. It was better when I had stopped caring.

[Aaleel]

Still hate the ending but I've moved past it. My fundamental problem has always been that fact that you didn't really accomplish anything, the enemy defeated you, saved you life and LET you win.

Citadel was a great DLC but the only problem is that it's not the end. When you finish you realize that you still have to go do Cronos Station and Priority Earth.

[Maverick827]

Apocaleepse360 wrote...

When you think about it, it really is a big deal considering that as stated by another user above, the Normandy, having that ability to go unnoticed by the Reapers could have easily dropped off Shepard & crew to the beam, most of the bull crap that occured on Priority: Earth could have been avoided and things might have made a touch more sense than they do as things stand now.

There's a difference between going unnoticed in the thick of battle and going unnoticed in the calm before the storm.  There is also the issue of exactly how fool-proof this system is.  Perhaps Anderson felt it was not as reliable as a full ground assault.  Perhaps the Normandy got lucky during the evac.  If you can't accept Shepard and the Normandy getting lucky, then you need to re-evaluate the entire series.

Regardless, most of you are just far too outraged over this.  You made up your minds a year ago and you're still complaining about it.  You can call Eterna all the names you want, but your unimaginable negative behavior is far more pathetic than his rather benign positive behavior.

[knightnblu]

Only-Twin wrote...

The catalyst is retarded, but the destroy extended cut at least gave me proper closure.

This

[Redbelle]

moater boat wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...



Honestly Moater i'd give up(and have), he's either wilfully ignorant or bananas either way it's not worth the effort.

Better off ignored.

You misunderstand me. I am not trying to change his mind, as a mind like that is not worth changing. I just enjoy making people look dumb.

Mission accomplished then.

Reaper's may, I stress the word, 'may', have many sensory abilities at their beck and call. But sight is by far the best to use even in space. The reason being that sun's producing light do so constantly and object's that have spent awhile in that light will be immedately picked up by the light being reflected off that object.

Lemme put it another way. Your in space, on a ship, with another ship at the opposite end of the solar system. As long as no object's are in the way and both have been hanging there for awhile both will see each other as light is reflected off their hulls. That light then travel's away from the ship and eventually reaches an optic pickup on the other. Hence, they are visible to one another.

Now imagine there is only one ship on the edge of a solar system and the other has just jumped in using an FTL drive. Because that ship was moving faster than light when it dropped in it has reflected no light back at the other ship, so while it is in the system, the other ship will not know it is in the system, until the light it reflect's, when it stoped moving at FTL speeds' reaches the other ship. The light has to cover the distance of the solar system and so, in this scenario, there is a time lag seeing the FTL ship for the 1st ship, but the 1st ship will immediately be seen by the FTL ship because it has been reflecting the sun's light for longer.

You could however say, why not use active sensor's? Use an energy pulse that reflect's off of object's? good in theory but it would not give an advantage. The pulse would have to travel towards the target, and then return the same way. Light, because it is constant, is alway's being emitted and as soon as a ship leave's FTL speed, light is immediately reflected off the object.

Simply put, being able to detect visible light and non visible light is a basic neccessity of space travel, in solar system's where sun's produce light, to enable passive sensor's to see objects.

After all, the only way active sensor's can work to detect thing's as fast as light reflecting off another object is to be continuously firing active pulses all the time. And why bother when the sun is doing exactly the same thing at no energy cost to the ship?

Modifié par Redbelle, 14 mars 2013 - 11:25 .

[Ownedbacon]

moater boat wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

moater boat wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...



Prove to me that Reapers have eyes, they have lights that mimic eyes, but prove to me they see as organics do?

Science isn't your strong point, is it?

<snip>
This is the solar spectrum. Right smack dab in the middle is the visible spectrum. Now, none of us can of course PROVE that Reapers can, or cannot, detect all these wavelengths, however, suggesting that Reapers lack the ability to detect the visible part of the spectrum is like saying that the reapers can't detect radio waves, or gamma rays, or infrared. There is absolutely NO LOGICAL REASON why a god-cyborg that has had millions of years to modify and improve itself would not be able to detect every part of this spectrum. To leave any gaps would be foolish, and would make no sense whatsoever. If Reapers have the technology to make these DNA altering nanites you talk about they would be able to make sensors that can see that wavelength.

Says science isn't my strong point------> Presents Science, but uses Headcannon to prove his viewpoint.

You're legit. 

I didn't use any headcannon. I stated FACTS, and then I drew a logical conclusion from those facts. You have yet to explain why a being of god-like power would lack a basic sensory ability possessed by most basic animals. As I said, neither of us can prove that they can detect light of that specific wavelength, but considering that Reapers have godlike powers, I'm fairly certain the burden of proof lies with you.

Even as retconned into incompetent drones, it is unbelievable that the Reapers would lack basic sensory input at close range especially when they were made in the image of the Leviathan who have eyes.



I would think the Catalyst would adapt a similar design or try to replicate similar vision into its creations. It is foolish to think that the Reapers have dominated the countless cycles and evolved over time (oh wait pinnacle of evolution really doesn't count anymore) yet fail to see a ship claiming to be friendly unload enemy troops while hovering and not attacking and assisting its supposed allies.

Modifié par Ownedbacon, 14 mars 2013 - 11:30 .

[ShaggyWolf]

I'm still irritated about large chunks of the story, including but not limited to the ending. I've gone through the specifics so many times now that I don't care to bother. Needless to say, the EC just felt like Bioware's attempt to explain to me why I shouldn't hate the endings that much, when it's not even the endings that were the problem. The problem was the entire Catalyst/Crucible/ Organics vs Synthetics plot that the endings were attatched to.

No, I have not forgiven Bioware for what they did with ME3. Me and my friends in MP shouldn't be able to come up with and discuss better story arcs while we're in the middle of shooting Banshees on an objective wave.

I have hope for the franchise's future because of how excellent the DLC and multiplayer has been. I also have the expectation that EA will dash those hopes with their stingy greedy and disconnected "design" philosophy, which only serves the purpose of getting them money from overworked underappreciated developers and disgusted fans.

[Apocaleepse360]

Maverick827 wrote...

Apocaleepse360 wrote...

When you think about it, it really is a big deal considering that as stated by another user above, the Normandy, having that ability to go unnoticed by the Reapers could have easily dropped off Shepard & crew to the beam, most of the bull crap that occured on Priority: Earth could have been avoided and things might have made a touch more sense than they do as things stand now.

There's a difference between going unnoticed in the thick of battle and going unnoticed in the calm before the storm.  There is also the issue of exactly how fool-proof this system is.  Perhaps Anderson felt it was not as reliable as a full ground assault.  Perhaps the Normandy got lucky during the evac.  If you can't accept Shepard and the Normandy getting lucky, then you need to re-evaluate the entire series.

Regardless, most of you are just far too outraged over this.  You made up your minds a year ago and you're still complaining about it.  You can call Eterna all the names you want, but your unimaginable negative behavior is far more pathetic than his rather benign positive behavior.

I hadn't called Eterna anything. If a topic tends to get too heated, I usually just leave the discussion and let it descend into the pits of hell on its own, without any assistance from me. I was sarcastic in some of my posts here but I don't mean anything personal by it. 

Also, if I want to provide criticism, I'll do it. It doesn't matter if the game is 1 year, 2 years or even 10 years old. How old a game is should not affect my opinion on a game, or my ability to express that opinion. Criticism helps developers know where they went wrong, and what they could do better next time. Praising the creators for every single thing, including their faults, doesn't help them improve one bit - although I'm not saying that praising is bad, as letting them know what was good is every bit as important as letting them know what was bad.

[Reptilian Rob]

Eterna5 wrote...

Reap_ii wrote...

ending still sits way outside of ME thematically. it still just doesn't make sense.

It does fit themeatically and it does make sense. 

How, exactly? 

Curious to hear the reasoning. 

[utdan]

The citadel DLC made the endings worse for me, before i could at least force myself in to picking a head canon heavy control ending. The huge contrast in tone between the DLC and the ending has since made it impossible for me to go past Cronos station.

[RedBeardJim]

The EC didn't really help, because nothing made any damn sense after the Reapers snatched the Citadel and moved it across the galaxy while we were busy on Cronos Station. The event we spent the entire first game trying to prevent happened -- the war should have ended right there, and left the Normandy and everybody else stranded in whatever system they happened to be in.

[Riot86]

Maverick827 wrote...

I thought it was fairly obvious that one of the many civilizations who added to the Crucible over the millions and millions of years of harvesting added the functionality to Synthesize.  Others added Control.  Others added Destroy (or most likely, the first civilization created it to destroy).  

Humanity had no time to truly study the Crucible, so they were not able to determine what it did.  A civilization like the Protheans, who had centuries of fighting (and were far more advanced from the start), had plenty of time to discover the Crucible's various functionalities, and would improve upon the design that best fit their own views on what the best option was.  A civilization that enjoyed a long-standing peace between organics and synthetics would consider Destroy to be just as bad as the harvest, and would have sought to implement or improve upon Synthesis.  A cvilization spear headed by a group like Cerberus would have implemented or improved upon Control.

When the Crucible is plugged into the Citadel, Catalyst recognizes these various functionalities that "change the variables," alerts you to them, and explains what it processes their likely outcomes to be.  Catalyst does not control the Crucible.  He does not limit your options based on his own will, the Crucible merely provides various functions on its own.

That wasn't exactly how my questions were meant...sorry, maybe the fact that I'm not a native speaker has made this a bit unclear

I was literally asking were the Nanites, meaning "the little Robots" itself, came from once Shepard hit the Synthesis-button (= jumping into the beam):
Were they stored all this time aboard the Citadel? Were they build on-the-spot in a Nanite-factory aboard the Crucible? Or can set factory be found on the Citadel? Or did they maybe replicate themselves? If that's the case, where did the FIRST of those Nanites came from? And who did build them, the Reapers or the races that constructed the Crucible?

I guess the link Eterna5 posted was in fact a bit closer to what I was looking for...
(...but only a bit, since I still have the many questions on my mind ^^ )

But thanks a lot anyway for answering in such an lenghty manner - I really appreciate your effort! 

Eterna5 wrote...

They are Reaper nanites so I imagine that the Reapers built them. Read this for more: http://social.biowar.../index/14086419

I actually asked you for an explanation

Still many thanks for the link...even though I have to admit that I didn't understood everything the OP was saying - I'm REALLY bad at math


But maybe you can now help me and try to clear some things up for me:

1.)
Where does the Nanites used in Synthesis come from? MyChemicalBromance states in one of his posts that the Nanites were not constructed on the Crucible as it is nothing more than a power-source. Does that mean they were constructed on or rather by the Citadel? Or (as he suggests they replicate themselves) was at least the FIRST one build on the Citadel?

2.)
If so, why was the Citadel capable of building them in the first place? To enable Synthesis once the Crucible was attached? But wouldn't that consequently mean the Crucible was build by the Reapers, too?

3.)
Or were they for some reason always warehoused somewhere aboard the Citadel? If that is the case, for what purpose?

4.)
Are the Nanites (modified) Reaper-tech? Or were they designed by those who build the Crucible?
4.1.)
If the former is the case: How did the races that build the Crucible knew about them? Or to ask more precisely - how did they knew that attaching the Crucible to the Citadel would give them access to the Nanites? (Remember, they were NOT build on the Crucible itself as it is only a power-source)
4.2.)
If the latter is the case: How did the races that build the Crucible "tell" the Citadel to construct them?

5.)
Why does Shepard have to jump into the beam to activate the Nanites? Why does it have to be Shepard specificaly and not just some random organic/human?

6.)
Why is everyone happy after getting augmented by the Nanites? Doesn't that imply that they also changed the way people think?

Modifié par Riot86, 14 mars 2013 - 11:45 .

[drayfish]

The ending remains the most racist, defeatist and devoid of hope conclusion to any piece of popular entertainment narrative that I have ever seen. And while I am glad that some people can find enjoyment in it, the fact that I have heard many fans and critics declare it a work of profound art (while never actually bothering to explain how its advocation of war crimes in the name of intolerance is meaningful) disturbs me greatly.*

For me, the 'EC' simply added more nonsense to an already overloaded plate, and while 'Citadel' is no doubt fantastic (enough people whose opinion I respect have said that by itself it is a great solo romp), in context it is a completely illogical aside that undermines everything that ME3 purports to be about.

The cheery everything-will-be-fine-don't-bother-thinking-about-it epilogue of the 'EC' insultingly cheapened whatever horror you had been forced to inflict upon the universe, and the hijinks and play of 'Citadel', set in the midst of the escalating Reaper massacre, is weirdly flippant and dismissive of the plot. To me, both feel like the equivalent of someone adding a musical number to The Birth of a Nation.


* Or, they could be a fan like Seival who openly, greatfully embraces that message of nihilistic intolerance, which disturbs me even more.

Modifié par drayfish, 14 mars 2013 - 11:46 .

[Village_Idiot]

Riot86 wrote...

6.) Why is everyone happy after getting augmented by the Nanites? Doesn't that imply that they also changed the way people think? 

This, for me, is possibly one of the most terrifying things about Synthesis.

[CDR David Shepard]

Modifié par CDR David Shepard, 14 mars 2013 - 11:45 .

[IanPolaris]

Ownedbacon wrote...

How about the fact that if the Normandy is so invisible to Reapers how come they don't just land at the beam? In fact that is what Joker ended up doing anyways. How come Harbinger isn't alarmed at the organics coming off of supposed Reaper? Why isn't Harbinger alarmed or other Reapers that the Normandy had been attacking other Reaper vessels in space? Both of these would be as alarming as emitting a non-reaper scan.

For that matter if the IFF worked so well, then the Normandy should have been able to fly to point-blank range in front of the Reaper Destroyers on both Tuchanka and Rannoch and blow them away (Normandy is equipped with Reaper-style weaponry....or at least can be if you upgraded in ME2).

Not only that but it also begs the question of why go to earth at all?  Why not simply go in under stealth, send a strike team to Illos and use the Conduit and avoid the Reaper forces altogether (except those that may be on the  Citadel).  At the very least a good reason why this wasn't an option should have been stated.  [IIRC the Devs for ME3 admitted that they simply forgot about the conduit.  Yeash.....do these Devs read their own lore?]

-Polaris

[Ithurael]

moater boat wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...



Prove to me that Reapers have eyes, they have lights that mimic eyes, but prove to me they see as organics do?

Science isn't your strong point, is it?


oThis is the solar spectrum. Right smack dab in the middle is the visible spectrum. Now, none of us can of course PROVE that Reapers can, or cannot, detect all these wavelengths, however, suggesting that Reapers lack the ability to detect the visible part of the spectrum is like saying that the reapers can't detect radio waves, or gamma rays, or infrared. There is absolutely NO LOGICAL REASON why a god-cyborg that has had millions of years to modify and improve itself would not be able to detect every part of this spectrum. To leave any gaps would be foolish, and would make no sense whatsoever. If Reapers have the technology to make these DNA altering nanites you talk about they would be able to make sensors that can see that wavelength.

+10

Nicely done!