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[andy6915]

@klarabella

They didn't arm it and leave because the person at the bomb also gets overwhelmed with no way out, no chance to retreat without getting shredded by bullets. They only had time to activate it and make damn sure it hit its "once armed very little can stop it" state.

I think it makes sense to send Kaidan with the Salarians, not just making him handle the bomb. Honestly, both characters have a reasonable explanation for why you can do the opposite of what you'd expect. It's said that it will do the job regardless of who arms it, so it's not THAT difficult to activate. You don't need a tech-head to deal with it, so Ashley can handle it. That leaves the Salarians. Who would benefit them more, another grunt with a gun like the entire STG already is, or a biotic (one of the best in the Alliance at that)? A biotic would help their team FAR more then another soldier. He isn't just a biotic either, he's also a tech expert. his tech abilities would be extremely helpful when dealing with robotic enemies like Geth. So there is logic behind sending Kaidan with them.

As I type this, I realize something. The game doesn't consider it such, but there's a paragon-renegade thing going on here. If you care about helping the Salarians survival then Kaidan is the better choice. If you care more about just finishing the mission and getting that bomb as good as it's going to get, Kaidan is the better choice for that instead. So if you're paragon and care about the STG then Kaidan is the paragon choice because of how much more useful he'll be as a sentinel at keeping them alive, and Ashley is the renegade choice because you're prioritizing the bomb over their lives by keeping the tech character with you and sending a soldier with them. Send Ashley with them=renegade, send Kaidan with them=paragon... Of course, the game doesn't see it that way.

About your thing about which is emotional and which is logical... I think Kaidan is the logical choice while Ashley is the emotional choice. Kaidan is one of the best biotics in the entire Alliance (and biotics are tactically more useful then regular soldiers to begin with), has over a dozen special commendations and has "an impressive service record", is higher ranked then her by quite a large margin and is the superior officer. Ashley is just a mere soldier with high technical scores who has served only on backwater colonies because of her blacklisting, and has no specialty like biotics or tech. Kaidan is logically, militarily and tactically the best choice. Leave him with the Salarians and the choice might as well be made for you of which is more important to rescue.

Modifié par andy69156915, 21 mars 2013 - 09:07 .

[Raikas]

klarabella wrote...

andy69156915 wrote...
Just to note, I think it actually makes more tactical sense to go after the person NOT with the bomb. Reason being, you're told that "once it has been armed, very little can stop it" which is to say that the thing is very durable and is pretty much not stoppable once armed.

Why does the one with the bomb not arm it and leave then? And where are the rest of the marines? And where is the transport that brought it there? Virmire only really works in gameplay.

I thinks that's actually the argument for picking up the person watching the bomb - once it's been set they don't need to be there, so you might as well same them rather than the person who is still actually doing something of value.

[BeauRoger]

Im gonna experience the trilogy again this summer.... ill get to make that choice again. Looking forward to it.

[sammysoso]

Definitely Ashley, mainly because she was so good in ME1.

[CaIIisto]

Tough.

ME1 - Ash
ME2 - ??
ME3 - Kaidan

I'd probably go for Kaidan because he finishes as the stronger character IMO. I don't know what they were thinking of when writing Ash in ME3 but it really didn't do her any favours. With me at least.....

[L2 Sentinel]

klarabella wrote...

Now that I think about it, it's pretty cliched if Kaidan and Ash are romanced:
- MShep saving Ashley and the salarians makes a reasonable tactical choice that happens to save his LI's life
- FShep saving Kaidan at the bomb site makes a purely emotional choice

Huh? Kaidan is an officer with more leadership experience while Ashley is a grunt that doesn't like working with aliens, so sending Kaidan with the salarians makes sense. However, Kaidan is also a better choice for arming the bomb since he is a tech expert. He's just a more valuable asset to the mission and to the Alliance in pretty much every way, and that's without even touching his biotics (which are basically the best in the Alliance). Saving Kaidan is the tactical choice no matter where you send him. The only reasons to save Ashley are emotional reasons.

[Majin Paul]

I'd probably say Ashley if you mean who do you save, my character always romances her so always gets saved, plus she's always at the bomb area, although after ME2, I went off her, she just seems less likable for me know, that's why my character turned more towards Miranda.

[nrobbiec]

Rauhel wrote...

klarabella wrote...

Now that I think about it, it's pretty cliched if Kaidan and Ash are romanced:
- MShep saving Ashley and the salarians makes a reasonable tactical choice that happens to save his LI's life
- FShep saving Kaidan at the bomb site makes a purely emotional choice

Huh? Kaidan is an officer with more leadership experience while Ashley is a grunt that doesn't like working with aliens, so sending Kaidan with the salarians makes sense. However, Kaidan is also a better choice for arming the bomb since he is a tech expert. He's just a more valuable asset to the mission and to the Alliance in pretty much every way, and that's without even touching his biotics (which are basically the best in the Alliance). Saving Kaidan is the tactical choice no matter where you send him. The only reasons to save Ashley are emotional reasons.

And sometimes Kaidan could just happen to be MShep's LI...

[Sailears]

Bester76 wrote...

Kaiden, easily. ME3 ruined Ash for me.

Agreed.

I liked both in ME1 (Ashley was a really good character in ME1), but overall prefer Kaidan. Ashley was awful in ME3.

[JacobLover]

Rauhel wrote...

klarabella wrote...

Now that I think about it, it's pretty cliched if Kaidan and Ash are romanced:
- MShep saving Ashley and the salarians makes a reasonable tactical choice that happens to save his LI's life
- FShep saving Kaidan at the bomb site makes a purely emotional choice

Huh? Kaidan is an officer with more leadership experience while Ashley is a grunt that doesn't like working with aliens, so sending Kaidan with the salarians makes sense. However, Kaidan is also a better choice for arming the bomb since he is a tech expert. He's just a more valuable asset to the mission and to the Alliance in pretty much every way, and that's without even touching his biotics (which are basically the best in the Alliance). Saving Kaidan is the tactical choice no matter where you send him. The only reasons to save Ashley are emotional reasons.

Being a PS3 player I had not played ME1 but I had experienced ME2.  Kaidan makes a surprise appearance on Horizon and was H, O, T, HOT!  I wanted to know more about him even though my Shep was preoccupied with the deliciousness of Jacob Taylor.  I was glad when he showed up at the beginning of ME3. 

Plus his name is like the coolest ever.  How can you say no to a Kaidan *and* an Alenko???? 

Uh, sploosh

[WolfForce99]

Kaidan easily.

[MrFob]

I like to mix things up for different playthroughs but usually, Kaidan lives.

 

Why? Because Kaidan - as an officer - usually goes with Kirahee. While for some reason, the salarians are also saved when Shepard goes back to the bomb site, it always makes more sense to me to go for the salarians in the mission as well. It also means saving as many lives as possible.Most importantly though, Ash's sacrifice on Virmire is the perfect conclusion for her character arc. When you meet her on Eden Prime, she just lost her squad and she blames herself for it (at least in part). Then if you play male Shepard, she first triggers the beacon and feels responsible again for what happens to Shepard as he jumps for her. Also, she constantly feels that she has to go out guns blazing in a grandiose gesture because of how her grandfather got shunned for surrendering to the turians in the first contact war. Now my Shepard may not agree with all this piled up guilt and pressure that she puts on herself and he does try to talk her out of it but with all this background, it befits her to go out, defending the ticking bomb on virmire, shooting geth to her last breath, the name of a fallen squad mate on her lips every time she pulls the trigger. If I save her, I almost feel like apologizing in the mission debrief because now, she has yet one more thing to blame herself for, whether that makes sense or not.

So, wile Ash is mainly dealing with her past in ME1 and gets some catharsis this way, Kaidan on the other hand seems to be more centered on the future, constantly speculating how things turn out or how they may develop. So for me, it doesn't feel like his story should end there already.

 

So yea, it's heavily meta gamed and it's more of a narrative decision than an emotional one. I like both characters but I really think, the heroic death on Virmire fits better to Ashley.

[Dr. Rush]

This is such a difficult choice for me because Ashley is such a better character in ME1 than 2 or 3. Her writing is really inconsistent. I love her space-racism, a lot of people dislike her for it, but it is the most human characteristic of any character in ME1, IMO. 

 

But then her cameo in ME2 just ruined her for me. Not because she was angry with Shep, but because her writing and voice acting were both so cringey.

 

Kaidan on the other hand, I think has been a consistently boring and bland character. No bromance or charisma, imo, he only has a few lines of dialog in the entire trilogy that I like. However, he never has any cringey terrible lines or scenes like Ashley.

 

So its really a tough choice, I guess, I'd play ME1 with Ash, then ultimately let her die, then have Kaidan in ME2 and 3. 

[Vazgen]

Grab animation is more intense on tower and salarians have a way to get to the Normandy there. Thus I always go to the tower.

On my tech-oriented characters I send Kaidan with Kirrahe and instruct Ashley on how to prepare the bomb (headcanon). On other classes I send Ashley with salarians and leave Kaidan with the bomb. On my canon run (Engineer) I saved Kaidan

[Karlone123]

Kaidan. When Shepard says to calls him a brother, I was genuinely happy.

[We'll bang okay]

Kaiden bros before hoes 

[God]

Ashley, only because my hatred of her makes me want to have more of her so that I can troll her and make her suffer.

[God]

Kaidan, he was far more useful(and less annoying) to me than Ashley ever was.

 

I like trolling Ashley about her faith in me. Totally worth it. ****** is rotting in hell 

[RatThing]

In my first playthrough I saved Ashley, because I wanted to see how the character develops, espcially her view on Aliens. She never had any contact with aliens before. She also mostly spoke rather negatively of them, showed however sympathy with Liara when her mother died, so I noticed some kind of inner conflict in her. For me she basically represented the theme of humanity trying to fit in a community with aliens, so I was curious how her views would develop over time and maybe how you can influence them. I've also sent her with the Salarians, because I wanted to see if there would be a reaction from her fighting only alongside aliens and even taking orders from them (I don`t really remember anymore if there was a reaction). 

In the following playthroughs I still saved her, because I felt her story wasn`t over. I liked the Idea of her beating the Williams curse by becoming the second human Spectre and helping to defeat the Reapers once and for all. I think this is a better conclusion for her story than going out with a big bang. I didn't choose her because I disliked Kaidan though, I really liked him as a character.

[God]

Eh, I have Ashley reaffirming the William's curse in my play through.

 

She's not going to be seen very well post-war by the galaxy. The way it outta be too.

[RatThing]

I suppose "God" is yet another recurrency of massivelyeffective. His accounts are already overfilling my ignore list.

[God]

I suppose "God" is yet another recurrency of massivelyeffective. His accounts are already overfilling my ignore list.

 

Eh, if someone bothers you because they have the temerity to post an opinion you don't like, by all means, block and ignore. Your input into them will greatly ignored and appreciated as such.

[RZIBARA]

Ashley, because her ME1 character is one of the best characters in the trilogy

[RatThing]

I love her space-racism, a lot of people dislike her for it, but it is the most human characteristic of any character in ME1, IMO. 

 

I actually think, that she raises some important questions in the first game. It's not far fetched to think that some if not all species would harm others to secure an advantage to their own kind. The bear and dog metaphor is a good one. Her point of view must not be the ultimate truth, but it`s valid.