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[RanetheViking]

Wow. 'God' likes me!! Do I get three wishes or just one prayer answered. lol

 

Seriously though, that Ashley/Miranda idea would've been an interesting addition to play out.

And all the 'auto'dialogue' did take away some good Renegade opportunities.

[God]

You get 'special privilege' when you die. 

[Orikon]

Ashley for male Shepard and Kaidan for Femshep.

 

But if I had to choose,regardless of my Shepard,definitely Ashley. Kaidan just lacks any personality and has that annoying low,hoarse voice. Not to mention that he is way too introverted for my taste.

[Darius M.]

I generally prefer Kaidan to Ashley. For me, I always thought Ash's narrative was well served by her sacrifice on Virmire. I don't agree with her political or ideological views, but I would never go so far as to say I ever disliked the character on a personal level. 

 

Love story-wise, I generally did prefer Kaidan's to Ash because while both act like jackasses on Horizon, I felt like Kaidan actually made an effort to apologize and clear the air afterward in the hospital. I feel like you have to kiss a lot of Ashley's ass for literally not doing anything wrong in ME2 (if you stayed faithful to her.) Whereas Kaidan's was a bit more even. Kaidan also seems to be more reasonable in the standoff, as opposed to Ash telling me "Lower your weapon, soldier!"

 

I also find Kaidan to be much more useful from a gameplay perspective. (Across the trilogy, but especially in ME3.)

[Darius M.]

These have all been pretty much said, but the one area I really never figured out was how so many people see Kaidan as boring. Frankly, I think he has one of the more interesting back-stories of all your crew members. I mean, think about how new biotics mustve been to the Alliance when he was training: Such a new concept back then that we had to ask the Turians for help setting up "Jump Zero." Now (for good or ill) here's someone who as a kid was responsible for disrupting the Alliance's foremost biotic program. A young kid performing a full biotic kick that KILLED their brutal Turian instructor.

 

Think about that: Besides the fact that he made the kill as a teenager, this wasn't long after first contact. This was a big deal and a huge diplomatic incident that Kaidan was right in the center of! How is he boring????? Since he usually gets this label for his ME1 performance, lets use that lens. Look at your other squaddies you get in ME1 and their backstories: How is he boring compared to them?!

 

Ashley: a marine who lost her unit on a backwater world. Goodness, if you're shep is a sole survivor she is a clone story.

Tali: a quarian engineer

Garrus: a disgruntled cop

Liara: a prothean researcher in over her head on a backwater world.

Wrex: a bounty hunter. 

 

I would argue Kaidan is one of the MORE interesting characters! How do people find this guy boring?!

[Mordokai]

Kaidan is the straight man of the ME... he is a Jacob of ME1 and 3. There was this one interesting illustration of Kaidan and Jacob doing fistbump over drink, one of them saying something to the effect of "at least we're normal". Can't find it again for the life of me though. Shame, that.

 

And guess what? They are. They are squadies with probably least personal issues and to many, that makes them boring. I can understand why people think like that. Never agree with it, but understand.They are straight men of their respective games and they play their roles well.

 

For me, that makes them good characters. Dare I say... interesting.

 

But then again, I'm one of those weird ones.

[Darius M.]

Kaidan is the straight man of the ME... he is a Jacob of ME1 and 3. There was this one interesting illustration of Kaidan and Jacob doing fistbump over drink, one of them saying something to the effect of "at least we're normal". Can't find it again for the life of me though. Shame, that.

 

And guess what? They are. They are squadies with probably least personal issues and to many, that makes them boring. I can understand why people think like that. Never agree with it, but understand.They are straight men of their respective games and they play their roles well.

 

For me, that makes them good characters. Dare I say... interesting.

 

But then again, I'm one of those weird ones.

I'm in this same boat. I really liked both Kaidan and Jacob in their respective games because they were the ONE squadmate I didn't have to worry about going into a blood rage, tearing a hole in my ship's hull, going into a killing spree, etc. I really enjoyed that these were two solid, dependable men that I knew would have my back. I think there's something to be said for the STABLE ones aboard the SSV Daddy Issues. 

 

All that said though, don't you think Kaidan's L2 implant angle made him interesting? I mean, he's one of the last of a discontinued line, and goes through a lot of pain for implants he didn't even want. 

 

I don't know, I guess that makes us weird to enjoy these characters.

[dragonflight288]

Currently replaying the whole trilogy. Usually I save Kaiden, but mainly because human biotics are so rare and he's level-headed, and a superior officer to Ash. 

 

This time I saved Ashley and am looking forward to what she has to offer ME3. 

[dragonflight288]

These have all been pretty much said, but the one area I really never figured out was how so many people see Kaidan as boring. Frankly, I think he has one of the more interesting back-stories of all your crew members. I mean, think about how new biotics mustve been to the Alliance when he was training: Such a new concept back then that we had to ask the Turians for help setting up "Jump Zero." Now (for good or ill) here's someone who as a kid was responsible for disrupting the Alliance's foremost biotic program. A young kid performing a full biotic kick that KILLED their brutal Turian instructor.

 

Think about that: Besides the fact that he made the kill as a teenager, this wasn't long after first contact. This was a big deal and a huge diplomatic incident that Kaidan was right in the center of! How is he boring????? Since he usually gets this label for his ME1 performance, lets use that lens. Look at your other squaddies you get in ME1 and their backstories: How is he boring compared to them?!

 

Ashley: a marine who lost her unit on a backwater world. Goodness, if you're shep is a sole survivor she is a clone story.

Tali: a quarian engineer

Garrus: a disgruntled cop

Liara: a prothean researcher in over her head on a backwater world.

Wrex: a bounty hunter. 

 

I would argue Kaidan is one of the MORE interesting characters! How do people find this guy boring?!

 

Probably because he and Carth Onasi have the same voice actor. 

[God]

Currently replaying the whole trilogy. Usually I save Kaiden, but mainly because human biotics are so rare and he's level-headed, and a superior officer to Ash. 

 

This time I saved Ashley and am looking forward to what she has to offer ME3. 

 

Whining about Cerberus, constant questioning of Shepard's trustworthiness, and little else really. 

 

She's rather disappointing. Even for the person like me who likes to troll her because I despise her character so much. They didn't even do that right. 

[CaIIisto]

Kaidan has the same concerns over Cerberus and Shepard, but on my initial play throughs Kaidan's lines were delivered better IMO. His concerns were portrayed more believably.

That being said, Ashley's scenes seem to play better if you romanced her in ME1. That might just be my mind playing tricks but I didn't find her being quite so persistent with her doubts this time around.

[Kynare]

These have all been pretty much said, but the one area I really never figured out was how so many people see Kaidan as boring. Frankly, I think he has one of the more interesting back-stories of all your crew members. I mean, think about how new biotics mustve been to the Alliance when he was training: Such a new concept back then that we had to ask the Turians for help setting up "Jump Zero." Now (for good or ill) here's someone who as a kid was responsible for disrupting the Alliance's foremost biotic program. A young kid performing a full biotic kick that KILLED their brutal Turian instructor.

 

Think about that: Besides the fact that he made the kill as a teenager, this wasn't long after first contact. This was a big deal and a huge diplomatic incident that Kaidan was right in the center of! How is he boring????? Since he usually gets this label for his ME1 performance, lets use that lens. Look at your other squaddies you get in ME1 and their backstories: How is he boring compared to them?!

 

Ashley: a marine who lost her unit on a backwater world. Goodness, if you're shep is a sole survivor she is a clone story.

Tali: a quarian engineer

Garrus: a disgruntled cop

Liara: a prothean researcher in over her head on a backwater world.

Wrex: a bounty hunter. 

 

I would argue Kaidan is one of the MORE interesting characters! How do people find this guy boring?!

 

I liked reading his Wiki on that.

 

"One month later on Earth, Kaidan's father approached his son on the balcony of a high-rise offering beer and advice. Kaidan took the beer and listened to his father's words: he shouldn't be too hard on himself for doing what he thought was right, though even right choices have consequences. Not comforted by the words, Kaidan reflects there may not be a next time for him as he screwed up the BAaT opportunity, though his father professed faith in him finding one, bigger than anticipated. Kaidan stared at an incoming ship in the sky, and with a smile hoped his father was right."

 

I just couldn't kill him off after that. Nnnnngh.

[Teddie Sage]

Sorry if I made a new thread about this. I have trouble seeing clearly these days. I always take Kaidan on my end. I feel like Ashley got butchered in the third game. 

Edit: Hidden my thread.

[Teddie Sage]

I always feel sexist for choosing Kaidan over Ashley, but like most people on this thread who chose Kaidan, I just couldn't stand her enough to make her join my Shepard in the following games or even romance her.

[God]

Ditto to both of you. Really, the only reason to bring Ashley is if you are in a romance with her. And while she might be a decent soldier, there's someone who's much better, and much more qualified, and thus, much more capable.

 

I see a lot of people wanting to bring her along and help boost her career. My view on that? Being in the military myself, and being an officer (and in a position of authority where I see the subtleties of an issue like this that a lot of others won't see), while I do sympathize with her in that aspect, I'm not willing to compromise the mission for the sake of charity. I need a proven team up to the job, and is combat effective, not an unknown quantity soldier.

 

If I really was the CO of the Normandy in ME1, after arrival at the Citadel, I'd sign off on a transfer request and give her a recommendation for a special skills course/school/workshop so that she can have a chance to build up her career from there. I would not keep her on the team, nor would i assign her to an active and operational unit. I'm not going to assign a relatively inexperienced and over-ranked soldier to an active unit. That would be negligent of my duties and to the missions at large for those teams. 

 

Really, that's the best you could realistically do. She has no business being anywhere near the action until she has some veritable skills that truly make her standout. As it is, there are soldiers that are half her rank that have more skills, qualifications, and experience than her. It might suck for her personally, but then again, the military isn't in the business of making you feel good or giving you a chance if you haven't earned it (and very rightfully so).

 

Then of course, there is also my rather legendary disgust with her character... which more or less makes me want to see her fail.

[GalacticWolf5]

Kaidan is my favorite character. Also my canon MShep's romance. I always romance him in all my playthroughs, except for the one I'm currently playing (romancing Miranda). He's an awesome character but many people don't realize it because they don't take the time to actually know him. I always save Kaidan on Virmire, nothing against Ashley (tho I have to admit I don't like her that much).

I think his m/m romance is the best out of all romances (at least for me). They become even more close after Priority: Mars and they talk about what happened on Horizon and get past it. I like how it's only during the Reaper invasion that they get together. I really love the whole 'end of the world bringing them together' thing. To be honest, I feel like romancing a character in ME1 is rushed. I'm glad he can only be romanced in ME3, I wouldnt change anything about it. His romance is a major reason why I think ME3 is the best Mass Effect.

[God]

Eh, I think his arbitrary change to bisexuality did a disservice to LGBT characters everywhere, but what can you do.

[GalacticWolf5]

Eh, I think his arbitrary change to bisexuality did a disservice to LGBT characters everywhere, but what can you do.

He was always bisexual. It's not because he didn't show romance interest in Shepard before that he's not bisexual.

And he was supposed to be romanceable by a male Shep in ME1 too, but Bioware cut it out.

[ImaginaryMatter]

He was always bisexual. It's not because he didn't show romance interest in Shepard before that he's not bisexual.

And he was supposed to be romanceable by a male Shep in ME1 too, but Bioware cut it out.

 

In the past games that never appeared to be the case. There was the romantic interest on Jump #, who was a woman. Liara, who he expressed interest in, looked like a woman. FemShep. And then the girl he dated after. 4/4 is a pretty strong trend.

 

BioWare cutting the romance in ME1, if anything, is a sign that he wasn't bisexual in that game.

[GalacticWolf5]

In the past games that never appeared to be the case. There was the romantic interest on Jump #, who was a woman. Liara, who he expressed interest in, looked like a woman. FemShep. And then the girl he dated after. 4/4 is a pretty strong trend.

BioWare cutting the romance in ME1, if anything, is a sign that he wasn't bisexual in that game.

1.Yes there was a girl on Jump Zero. He's not interested in Liara that way, he says it if you ask him. He's interested in FemShep. Which girl did he date after? I'm 99.9% sure theres no one. Anyways, that doesnt mean he's straight. The whole point of being bisexual is going after both, that includes women and men.

2. Yes he was. Not showing interest in every single men or MShep and not being romanceable yet doesn't mean he's not bisexual. He finally shows interest in MShep in ME3, that means he's bisexual. I'm pretty sure Bioware cut it in ME1 because there would be too much controversity at the time.

[Kynare]

Kaidan's sudden transition screwed with me too, to be honest. It just felt like, "Hey, you're pretty close with Shepard, you've shared a bed and you even almost consider it love, but you never told her once that you're bisexual and you still haven't." I have no issue with it--however, I was more comfortable with Zevran's bisexuality from DA:O, because he was upfront about it regardless of my character's gender. I never felt like he was secretly hiding something from her.   Damn metagaming, messing up my Shepard's relationship!

 

I'm more inclined to believe that he never seriously considered it until he met Shepard. He'll love them regardless of their gender, but it takes more time for him to develop feelings for MaleShep after going through a lot with him, so it seems more of a pansexual thing with a female preference to me. Unless he clearly states during the S/S romance that he always liked both sides, in which case, scratch that.

[God]

You have the benefit of applying hindsight to Kaidan being bisexual. 

 

Short and simple, it was a retcon. Kaidan wasn't written as bisexual in the beginning. He was turned into one at the writers convenience in ME3.

 

They definitely didn't cut Kaidan being bisexual in ME1 because of controversy. 

 

You'll have to show me where Kaidan was supposedly a bisexual option in ME1 at all. My friend the internet is telling me that this was never the case, as I suspected.

[Mordokai]

Kaidan wasn't written as bisexual in the beginning.

Yes, he was.

 

They definitely didn't cut Kaidan being bisexual in ME1 because of controversy. 

 

That's pretty much exactly what happened.

 

My friend the internet is telling me that this was never the case, as I suspected.

 

You clearly didn't put much effort into your searches.

[God]

Yes, he was.

 

 

That's pretty much exactly what happened.

 

 

You clearly didn't put much effort into your searches.

 

Nearly every source I look for doesn't mention a thing about Kaidan having been originally written as bi in ME1. In fact, most everywhere I look, there were complaints (that I share) about him being arbitrarily made bisexual in ME3. 

 

You could try and link to me where it says that Kaidan was created with bisexuality in mind.

 

Regardless, the fact that he's made bisexual in ME3 (when he never had any prior inclination in ME1) makes it a retcon. And even if they did have him written as bi once upon a time, I very highly doubt that it was cut for controversy.