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[Grandillusion]

After a couple play thrus with kaidan, I have taken a liking to Assley. So she is alive as I head into ME3 again. I like both of them really.

[BioWareMod03]

Keep on topic please

[God]

It's a possibility, and one that might hold some merit. Ashley doesn't really take the time to reflect on something or try to understand it if she doesn't already. She's the type of person who doesn't question what she believes in. It's a rather disturbing shortcoming of a great many people.

[Balsam Beige]

Now I know people have strong opinions about Ashley. Being a long time Ash supporter, I thought I'd post this here. It is a post that was written by Badpie, a Shepley fan fiction writer back in 2010 on the "Ashley Williams for Eternity" support group. In my opinion, it is a excellent concise view of why she liked her character as written by Chris L'Etoile in me1.
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- She's vibrant. Totally full of life. She's fiery and energetic and her energy is infectious.

- She's beautiful. Totally gorgeous. Elegant features like perfect cheekbones, full lips, big soulful brown eyes, killer eye lashes and let's face it, the cutest nose ever.

- She's bad ass in a totally believable way. She's tough, but they didn't make her a cookie cutter "I'm so hot yet so tough yet so tender and all the things plucked from a best of" type of tough. She's tough because she's vulnerable. And strong because she has issues to overcome. She's also physically badass in a way I can believe. You're not gonna see Ash win a fist fight with a Krogan. But you will see her get in a good kick to his quads at the very least.

- She's refreshingly flawed. And not flawed in the Miranda or Jack way. Nothing against either of those characters except that they are two sides of Ash just taken, split and amplified because it was too confusing for people to deal with a truly real character that could both ****** them off and make them love her. But I digress. She says offensive things, things that make anyone go "okay wait, hold on" She has opinions that are not shared by me or by my Shepard. She has a martyr complex, daddy issues, a big mouth that often says the wrong thing. My Shepard (and me) have been totally annoyed to **** by her at a couple points. But I love that about her.

- She challenges Shepard. She's the only one to ever do this. The only one to ever play devil's advocate with him and speak her mind and stick with her convictions. In ME2, people could disagree with you, but all it took was a charm option to get them to say "maybe you're right." Ash sticks to her guns, and that threatens a lot of manly alpha!Sheps out there who don't like being sassed by no wimmen folk.

- She's smart. A lot smarter than she lets on. Her persona comes off sometimes as a brassy marine grunt, something she's probably had to put on in order to make it in the boys' club, but she's incredibly intelligent.

- She somehow manages to be an incredibly sexual being without being tarted up. In heavy armor, a military bun and no makeup Ash is able to wield her sexual nature expertly. She's comfortable in her own skin and confident. She's perfectly aware that she's gorgeous, but she only uses that asset on her own terms. Hooray for hellcats.
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Remember this was before me3.

This is her opinion. But it is shared by me and many of Ash's long time supporters. This is the Ash we fell in love with. This is the Ash that we defend so diligently. I will not get into a debate. I understand the haters will hate. But as we said on the Ash support thread, we support Ash because "Ash is worth it!" Cheers.

[Kynare]

Now I know people have strong opinions about Ashley. Being a long time Ash supporter, I thought I'd post this here. It is a post that was written by Badpie, a Shepley fan fiction writer back in 2010 on the "Ashley Williams for Eternity" support group. In my opinion, it is a excellent concise view of why she liked her character as written by Drew Karpshyn in me1.
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- She's vibrant. Totally full of life. She's fiery and energetic and her energy is infectious.

- She's beautiful. Totally gorgeous. Elegant features like perfect cheekbones, full lips, big soulful brown eyes, killer eye lashes and let's face it, the cutest nose ever.

- She's bad ass in a totally believable way. She's tough, but they didn't make her a cookie cutter "I'm so hot yet so tough yet so tender and all the things plucked from a best of" type of tough. She's tough because she's vulnerable. And strong because she has issues to overcome. She's also physically badass in a way I can believe. You're not gonna see Ash win a fist fight with a Krogan. But you will see her get in a good kick to his quads at the very least.

- She's refreshingly flawed. And not flawed in the Miranda or Jack way. Nothing against either of those characters except that they are two sides of Ash just taken, split and amplified because it was too confusing for people to deal with a truly real character that could both ****** them off and make them love her. But I digress. She says offensive things, things that make anyone go "okay wait, hold on" She has opinions that are not shared by me or by my Shepard. She has a martyr complex, daddy issues, a big mouth that often says the wrong thing. My Shepard (and me) have been totally annoyed to **** by her at a couple points. But I love that about her.

- She challenges Shepard. She's the only one to ever do this. The only one to ever play devil's advocate with him and speak her mind and stick with her convictions. In ME2, people could disagree with you, but all it took was a charm option to get them to say "maybe you're right." Ash sticks to her guns, and that threatens a lot of manly alpha!Sheps out there who don't like being sassed by no wimmen folk.

- She's smart. A lot smarter than she lets on. Her persona comes off sometimes as a brassy marine grunt, something she's probably had to put on in order to make it in the boys' club, but she's incredibly intelligent.

- She somehow manages to be an incredibly sexual being without being tarted up. In heavy armor, a military bun and no makeup Ash is able to wield her sexual nature expertly. She's comfortable in her own skin and confident. She's perfectly aware that she's gorgeous, but she only uses that asset on her own terms. Hooray for hellcats.
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Remember this was before me3.

This is her opinion. But it is shared by me and many of Ash's long time supporters. This is the Ash we fell in love with. This is the Ash that we defend so diligently. I will not get into a debate. I understand the haters will hate. But as we said on the Ash support thread, we support Ash because "Ash is worth it!" Cheers.

I can see a lot of her points, and I really did like Ashley in the first game. I knew exactly what they were gonna make me do on Virmire from the moment they made me separate Kaidan and Ashley. I knew I wanted to pursue Kaidan's romance, but I still stalled when it actually came to picking his name.

I wish there were a way to save both of them. I feel like Shepard, Kaidan and Ashley balanced each other out well. They could have been the first full-fledged polygamous relationship! Screw Alliance regs!

[warblewobble]

Kaidan used to die for the crime of hitting on my femshep but I've since come around to thinking he's the better character. He's all-around a pretty standup guy and there's something I really like about the simplicity of his apartment visit scene in the citadel dlc.

 

I do have to admit, however, that finding Ashley hungover on the floor was pretty hilarious. Hale's delivery of Shepard's lines during that scene is also great. She sounds like she's genuinely enjoying messing with Ash.

[paramitch]

I did my very first playthrough and accidentally killed Ash on Virmire when I was seriously trying to kill Kaidan. I hated him, found him clingy, needy and exasperating, and he was constantly hitting on my femshep when she had done nothing but ask him about himself (just like she did everyone else). Then he goes along keening and wailing after her about "mixed signals" for the rest of ME1, is a petulant ass in ME2, and in ME3 is once again acting like a dumped and self-righteous ex-boyfriend, right down to taking a bottle of wine my shep bought (thinking she could give it to Thane). I was so disappointed I wasn't fast enough to shoot him, but at least I got him off the ship after the coup attempt. Ugh.

 

The ME3 over-the-top attempts to pair my Shep with Kaidan yet again after his injury were hilarious to me because it was just never, ever gonna happen. The docs and nurses would ask, "are you here to see Kaidan?" and my Shep always replied, "No." Then she finally goes to see him and he's lying there shirtless (like it's supposed to be sexy or tempting or something -- I just thought it was so ham-handed and over the top -- and that was before the sappy music started up and Shep's crying or something. Good God).

 

In subsequent playthroughs I saved Ash on Virmire every time, and life was much more fun. She was a badass in combat, she wasn't so tortured and earnest, she didn't stalk my Shep or act creepy and possessive, and she was willing to listen and grow out of her previous species-ist thoughts and preconceptions. Also, in the world of ME3, the complete reversal of Cerberus from a grayscale organization to a very very black-hat one, also tipped the equation -- someone in Cerberus in ME3 is basically irredeemable, as the organization becomes much more evil and simplistic. So Ashley didn't seem crazy, just confused and appropriately paranoid.

 

I just couldn't bring myself to like Kaidan. I hated the way he was written in all three games. Like, everything he said seemed faintly passive-aggressive, accusatory and distrustful. And that was without even a hint of romance on her part.

 

So: yeah, Ashley, every time. She's a badass who's still a girly-girl, I love her dialogue in battle scenes (and she was so incredibly strong in ME1, I always had her on my squad because she just melted baddies), and she's also willing to be warm without immediately hitting on Shep or yammering about their "connection." (LIARA.)

[God]

Your opinion is wrong   and, more importantly, you thread necroed.

[Inquisitor_Jonah]

Kaidan 100%

[Vanilka]

...right down to taking a bottle of wine my shep bought (thinking she could give it to Thane).

 

Okay, I respect your opinions. I don't agree with any of it, but I respect it and you're entitled to not liking him, of course. However, this part in particular really bothers me. If you buy the bottle, your Shepard gives it to him saying something along the lines of "I've got something for you," so saying he took it as if he forced it out of her or something is simply untrue and it's very unfair to say that, imho.

[Lonely Heart Poet]

I have played trough with both.
I really tried to like Kaidan. I usually play with female Shepards, so the choice was more intriguin in the sense of romance.
I am actually very surprised of the opinion that the third Mass Effect "ruins Ashley" - for me ME1 was trying its best to make her character look really really bad. It is not so normal here in Europe (krhm *Scandinavia*) to meet someone who is is big family and christian lifestyle enthusiast (I did not have any problem with that). Also not many are ready to hear those endless verses of poems. And the phrase "I can't really see the difference between aliens and animals" (or similar) really shocked me. Really, Ashley?!

I felt that Ashley did grow much in ME3 and I liked that. And I enjoyed her stubborness much.I enjoyed her imperfection because it makes her feel more natural. Sometimes I ended up with fight with her but I always trusted her. She knew me, I knew her. We were both some how broken.

When I first saved Ashley from Virmire I really felt some kind of sadness because of Kaidan. Kaidan was an awesome, trustworthy soldier, very talkative, nice and kind. Loosing a potential romance also felt darkly satisfying. There was really something to remember in him and discuss it later for example with Liara in Mass Effect 3. When I selfishly saved Kaidan, I did not felt sadness, only some kind of regret.
With Ashley alive everything felt right. She was like a stubborn little sister to me. The only time I get really confused was when she show her sister to me. Her sister did not look at all like Ashley... actually, her sister looked like me (same hair color, eye color, clothing, hairdo - of course I was prettier). That was very confusing moment and I standed next to her laughing in the memorial wall until Ashley told me to fokoof.

Kaidan is so much better soldier and I will always miss his great skills with both biotics and techs. I was always troubling with Ashley, maybe I couldn't mix our strenghts very well together or I build her class the wrong way. I usually fight as vanguard or as adept because it just fun.

Kaidan romance was too vanilla to me. I gets boring after Mars and I was quite mean to him. He wants to have a date with me after Thane died and started to flirt with me right away. He did not understand me AT ALL and I started to filrt with James Vega wich was unfair. The relationship (friendly) with Ashley is more balanced in that point in the game. My friends wants me to have good time and do not let me fell into depression, or so I fabricated the thing. Kaidan wanted to bang with me. Not-the-frikkin-time-Liutenant-Commander-squadron-leader-spectre.

And with Ashley we have quite a lot in common, I am actually a writer and poetry reciter myself. I always give her the book of Walt Whitman.

[paramitch]

God, we can agree to disagree (always fun disagreeing with a deity), but apologies if I broke protocol in some way. I'm a newly obsessed ME player. Please forgive any missteps.

 

Okay, I respect your opinions. I don't agree with any of it, but I respect it and you're entitled to not liking him, of course. However, this part in particular really bothers me. If you buy the bottle, your Shepard gives it to him saying something along the lines of "I've got something for you," so saying he took it as if he forced it out of her or something is simply untrue and it's very unfair to say that, imho.

 

When I meant she was "forced" to give it to Kaidan, she isn't given a choice, at least I wasn't in my one playthrough with him. The prompt pops up when she talks to him and boom. He's got a bottle of wine and is all starry-eyed about them sharing it or something. I'm not a super-experienced multiple-playthrough player though, so I totally may have missed something.

 

On Kaidan, I do want to add that I think the character as written is obviously a handsome, good, heroic soldier and a good guy. But I didn't find him attractive and found the writing very ham-handed. And then in 3 I just thought his writing seemed rushed and obviously further designed to cater to those who had romanced him before. The problem is, not everyone did, so all his jealousy just felt weird and out of place for me.

Edited to add: I also really like Ash's nuances as a character. The family and religion conflicts, the love of poetry, etc., all help me to believe in her far more as a character. I'm also a sucker for those who love poetry myself.
 

[Vanilka]

When I meant she was "forced" to give it to Kaidan, she isn't given a choice, at least I wasn't in my one playthrough with him. The prompt pops up when she talks to him and boom. He's got a bottle of wine and is all starry-eyed about them sharing it or something. I'm not a super-experienced multiple-playthrough player though, so I totally may have missed something.

 

On Kaidan, I do want to add that I think the character as written is obviously a handsome, good, heroic soldier and a good guy. But I didn't find him attractive and found the writing very ham-handed. And then in 3 I just thought his writing seemed rushed and obviously further designed to cater to those who had romanced him before. The problem is, not everyone did, so all his jealousy just felt weird and out of place for me.

Edited to add: I also really like Ash's nuances as a character. The family and religion conflicts, the love of poetry, etc., all help me to believe in her far more as a character. I'm also a sucker for those who love poetry myself.
 

 

I understand what you mean, I think. You didn't have a choice in whether you want to give it to him or not and Shepard simply did it whether you wanted it or not. I'm just saying that's not his fault. However, I'm not blaming you for not liking it. I was honest in my post. I do think you have the right to dislike him and everything about him. Being an Alenkoholic myself, I may not understand it, but I'm definitely not going to hold it against you.

 

If you're going to do another playthrough with him, which doesn't sound likely from your post, but still, just avoid buying the bottle. There's nothing else you can do with it and I think that's what gives him the idea of your Shep being into him in the first place. In the game's terms, it technically triggers possible romance. I know it sucks, but that's how the game works: You can't be too nice to any of the ME1 companions without consequences and end up having to refuse them. (I always get ninjamanced by Liara.) It's a shame. Another thing is that I think that they really wanted you to notice that "Hey, there's a romance available here!" and it's way in your face. I think that the only reason you escaped that with Ash is because she's not into women.

 

I do like Ashley a lot in ME1. Not a big fan of poetry, but I thought it was a nice touch to her character and that she was well written and I enjoyed listening to her talking about her family and everything. I'm really fond of her, too. I haven't had her in ME3 yet and I don't know whether I ever will with the change of her writer and design, and because I do like having Kaidan along for the ride instead for various reasons. Nevertheless, I see no reason why you shouldn't like her. From what you say, seems like you have good reasons to have her along.

[Monica21]

Regarding the bottle for Kaidan in ME3, I could have sworn there was a journal entry either before buying it or after buying that has giant arrows pointing to it saying "FOR KAIDAN." I'm not sure how anyone could get the impression that you can give it to just anyone. I, too, am a newly obsessed ME player an I never got the idea that it was for anyone but Kaidan.

 

And just, for reasons, it bugs me when people talk about how whiny and clingy Kaidan is. You choose to talk to him. You can barely speak to him in ME1, let him die on Virmire, and have the game change hardly at all. Same with Ashley. And you choose to talk to him in ME3. You chose to visit him in the hospital. You hated him but made active efforts to be nice? Why? Just avoid him if you don't want him around. Not to mention that I'm having a hard time buying the "accidental" death of Ashley on Virmire. You can reload from a previous save. And the text is pretty clear. [Save Ashley] [Save Kaidan] I could buy, "Oh, ****, I messed up. Well, we'll see how this plays out." But two more games of that if you hate the character? It's super hard and takes a lot of not noticing what's going on to let the wrong person die on Virmire.

[Vanilka]

I actually thought the bottle was for Chakwas myself, lol. When Shepard gave it to him, I was like "Whaaat? SHEPARD, HE IS INJURED! Don't give him alcohol, give him food or pyjamas so that he's not naked!" I felt and still feel like giving him a bottle of alcohol while he's on hospital bed is incredibly awkward. Then again, I wasn't disappointed by this development, either.

 

I've never understood the "whiny" part when it comes to Kaidan, either. I don't remember him ever complain much. I've always found his remarks pretty spot on, like with the Council's and Udina's behaviour in ME1 or after dealing with the Rachni. On Horizon, I take it for granted he would never join an organisation that has the reputation of terrorists that we spent all ME1 fighting and that is outlawed in the Council space. (Hell, the Council accused Shepard of treason for being associated with it.) And since Shepard is a freaking brick during that dialogue, I can't really blame him for flipping out, either. (The convo could've been handled so much better.) That alone also shows that he's not all that "clingy", either. He's willing to abandon his personal life if he feels his duty requires him to do so. Same during the Citadel coup. He negotiates with Shepard in an armed standoff until he knows the situation is under control, despite being in love with her. He doesn't just leave all reason behind because she shows up. When you shoot Udina, I take it as natural that he'd like to make sure that you shot "the president of Earth" for the right reasons (Why the hell does Shepard almost always shoot to kill?) and he doesn't drag you for it once you explain. He questions Shepard at times, especially after everything that happened with Cerberus and after being three years apart, but I've always considered that to be a good thing. To me, that's a display of backbone and sensibility and he grows and develops with each of those events, eventually dealing very well with the whole Cerberus issue. The conversation after Gellix is one of my favourite moments because you can see him working his way through his prejudices and essentially understanding he was wrong. And I definitely like that he's a character that actually shows and talks about his emotions and generally acts like a human being.

 

He does have his flaws, but yeah, I've never thought of him as "whiny" in particular. But that's just me anyway. Or is the "whiny" thing about something else?

[Monica21]

I actually thought the bottle was for Chakwas myself, lol. When Shepard gave it to him, I was like "Whaaat? SHEPARD, HE IS INJURED! Don't give him alcohol, give him food or pyjamas so that he's not naked!" I felt and still feel like giving him a bottle of alcohol while he's on hospital bed is incredibly awkward. Then again, I wasn't disappointed by this development, either.

 

I've never understood the "whiny" part when it comes to Kaidan, either. I don't remember him ever complain much. I've always found his remarks pretty spot on, like with the Council's and Udina's behaviour in ME1 or after dealing with the Rachni. On Horizon, I take it for granted he would never join an organisation that has the reputation of terrorists that we spent all ME1 fighting and that is outlawed in the Council space. (Hell, the Council accused Shepard of treason for being associated with it.) And since Shepard is a freaking brick during that dialogue, I can't really blame him for flipping out, either. (The convo could've been handled so much better.) That alone also shows that he's not all that "clingy", either. He's willing to abandon his personal life if he feels his duty requires him to do so. Same during the Citadel coup. He negotiates with Shepard in an armed standoff until he knows the situation is under control, despite being in love with her. He doesn't just leave all reason behind because she shows up. When you shoot Udina, I take it as natural that he'd like to make sure that you shot "the president of Earth" for the right reasons (Why the hell does Shepard almost always shoot to kill?) and he doesn't drag you for it once you explain. He questions Shepard at times, especially after everything that happened with Cerberus and after being three years apart, but I've always considered that to be a good thing. To me, that's a display of backbone and sensibility and he grows and develops with each of those events, eventually dealing very well with the whole Cerberus issue. The conversation after Gellix is one of my favourite moments because you can see him working his way through his prejudices and essentially understanding he was wrong. And I definitely like that he's a character that actually shows and talks about his emotions and generally acts like a human being.

 

He does have his flaws, but yeah, I've never thought of him as "whiny" in particular. But that's just me anyway. Or is the "whiny" thing about something else?

I really don't remember if there's a journal entry or not for the bottle, but for some reason I knew it was for Kaidan. I've only got one complete trilogy playthrough under my belt though, and I had to abort my second attempt with Sheploo just after Mars because I saved Ashley on Virmire and could not deal with her. I'm sure I'll get back to it, but I'm thinking no reunion because Miranda and then I'll let Garrus shoot her. We'll see. But yeah. Kaidan all the way.

 

And I don't get the whiny thing either. I think maybe he mentions having headaches like, one time, but that's so minor compared to Liara needing a fainting couch every time she mind melds with you. "Oh.. I just... don't feel... so good... "  Blerg.

[Vanilka]

I really don't remember if there's a journal entry or not for the bottle, but for some reason I knew it was for Kaidan. I've only got one complete trilogy playthrough under my belt though, and I had to abort my second attempt with Sheploo just after Mars because I saved Ashley on Virmire and could not deal with her. I'm sure I'll get back to it, but I'm thinking no reunion because Miranda and then I'll let Garrus shoot her. We'll see. But yeah. Kaidan all the way.

 

And I don't get the whiny thing either. I think maybe he mentions having headaches like, one time, but that's so minor compared to Liara needing a fainting couch every time she mind melds with you. "Oh.. I just... don't feel... so good... "  Blerg.

 

I straight up admit I'm a chicken and I imagine I'd have a problem killing him off after three playthroughs with him (I cried for Ashley the first time around. Then I cried again when I found her inactive locker, because I'm dumb like that, lol.) and also because, as I said, I'm really worried about Ashley having a different writer and that ridiculous design change. I'm not surprised you're having trouble. I didn't hear nice things about how they handled her in ME3. From what I've heard and seen, it seems that she's nothing like the original author intended and while that may not necessarily be a bad thing, I do feel like Virmire is an appropriate way for her to go in my game. Virmire is a very heroic death and she gets all the recognition afterwards, it just feels right. Also, I don't really think I have a need for two soldier classes or two sniper classes in ME3, as we have James and Garrus already, and Kaidan is a beast on the battlefield in both games (How the hell he even has more health and shields than my soldier Shep in ME3 is beyond me.) that compliments every class and every squaddie.

 

I sincerely hate when people complain about him "having headaches" because he mentions it maybe like three times during the whole franchise and mostly it's because somebody else started about it. He never complains about it and never pulls the poor-poor-thing card about it and most of it many players never even see because it's almost all elevator banter. (Yeah, I did notice the fainting thing with Liara, lol. And how many times do we hear about Joker's condition? Haven't heard any complaints about that.)

[Monica21]

I straight up admit I'm a chicken and I imagine I'd have a problem killing him off after three playthroughs with him (I cried for Ashley the first time around. Then I cried again when I found her inactive locker, because I'm dumb like that, lol.) and also because, as I said, I'm really worried about Ashley having a different writer and that ridiculous design change. I'm not surprised you're having trouble. I didn't hear nice things about how they handled her in ME3. From what I've heard and seen, it seems that she's nothing like the original author intended and while that may not necessarily be a bad thing, I do feel like Virmire is an appropriate way for her to go in my game. Virmire is a very heroic death and she gets all the recognition afterwards, it just feels right. Also, I don't really think I have a need for two soldier classes or two sniper classes in ME3, as we have James and Garrus already, and Kaidan is a beast on the battlefield in both games (How the hell he even has more health and shields than my soldier Shep in ME3 is beyond me.) that compliments every class and every squaddie.

 

It was actually really hard for me to save Ashley with my male Shepard, even though he was romancing Ashley. I don't think it makes much sense in-game either because Kaidan's the senior officer. Not that I didn't respect what Ashley did in ME1, but I also can't really see a good RP reason for it. And I agree that it makes a better death for Ashley than for Kaidan. I really just wanted to see how the game was different with Ashley instead of Kaidan, and I wanted to see the fallout after my male Shep fell hard for Miranda. I was totally going to be like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ when talking to Ashley.

 

And her design change is just mind-boggling and a little insulting. I mean, she's not even in uniform. The first time you meet Kaidan in ME3 he's in BDUs. Ashley's in a latex jacket with a plunging v-neck and long, silky hair. I'm just like, wut? Who is this person? I need to try the Ashley Legacy mod to at least get her appearance back to something a little closer to Chief Williams, but I don't think that will change much with regard to that playthrough.

 

I know this is all JMHO, but Shepard and Ashley's relationship felt far more forced than Shepard and Kaidan's. During just about all of ME1 I wondered why my Shepard would be attracted to her. She's quoting poetry right before you bang and all I thought was, "This is not sexy." And then along came Miranda and boom. There went my poor Sheploo's heart.

[Dantriges]

A chief Williams mod? this would be interesting.

[Monica21]

A chief Williams mod? this would be interesting.

 

It's the Ashley Legacy Project. It at least gets her appearance closer to ME1. I haven't used it because I haven't gotten into the ME3 Explorer yet. :/

[God]

Another thing about the Ashley/Miranda/other LI thing for ME3 is the sheer lack of fallout.

 

I really wanted to see something come up between Ashley and Miranda, or have Ashley say a lot more in regards to the issue.

[Monica21]

Another thing about the Ashley/Miranda/other LI thing for ME3 is the sheer lack of fallout.

I really wanted to see something come up between Ashley and Miranda, or have Ashley say a lot more in regards to the issue.

So you basically you just say, yeah, fell for someone else and your ME1 LI just says, okey doke?