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Bester76 wrote...

Kaiden, easily. ME3 ruined Ash for me.

[Conquerthecity]

BeauRoger wrote...

I havent played Citadel yet. How does the content in there compare to one another? I assume basically no one has done citadel with both kaidan and ashley yet, but ill ask all the same.

*Scene Spoilers Ahead* 


Assuming that both Ash and Kaidan both get one meetup scene before the party, I prefer Kaidan's. His scene seems more relationship oriented. He cooks for Shep in the Apartment and they have a good conversation. Meanwhile, in Ash's scene, you meet her at the bar and have a drinking contest. Granted, there is romance oriented dialogue during said contest, but I felt the conversation with Kaidan was deeper.

[Terraforming2154]

Ash, always, even though I hated how they handled her in ME3.
I definitely miss whoever wrote her in ME1, because I absolutely loved talking to her in that game.

Modifié par Terraforming2154, 15 mars 2013 - 01:52 .

[Battlebloodmage]

Mungolian_ wrote...

BeauRoger wrote...

I havent played Citadel yet. How does the content in there compare to one another? I assume basically no one has done citadel with both kaidan and ashley yet, but ill ask all the same.

*Scene Spoilers Ahead* 


Assuming that both Ash and Kaidan both get one meetup scene before the party, I prefer Kaidan's. His scene seems more relationship oriented. He cooks for Shep in the Apartment and they have a good conversation. Meanwhile, in Ash's scene, you meet her at the bar and have a drinking contest. Granted, there is romance oriented dialogue during said contest, but I felt the conversation with Kaidan was deeper.

I agree, they seem more like drinking buddies. The the romance lines seem more like a flirt. A cooking date seems much more romantic, and there were more intimate moments as well. All the other romances had physical contact that show Shepard care for that LI except for Ashley. 

[Vespervin]

Kaidan, for three main reasons.

1) He is not as annoying as Ashley.
2) Same voice actor that done Carth Onasi - Every time Kaidan speaks, I get all nostalgic.
3) Not as annoying as Ashley.

[M920CAIN]

I saved both in different playthroughs. I like both just as much, but I'm gonna pick Ashley because I have epen.

[Slayer299]

I thought Ash was great in ME1 and just completely shot to pieces in ME3, so I'd have to go with Kaiden who seems to have been the reverse.

[Ukos 78]

ashley, she would at least talk to you, bye kaiden not much of a loss

[ElementL09]

Ashley Mass Effect 1, I didn't like her in Mass Effect 3. Never really liked Kaiden or was interested in talking with him.

[Rip504]

Kaiden has been dead since ME1 for me. Just recently I have decided to replay the trilogy just to see what is up with ME3 Kaiden. I honestly think Kaiden is growing on me,more so then Ash. I am beginning my ME3 Kaiden play within 10 mins,so I will reserve my final judgement.

Out of the two I had preferred Ash,but this has changed recently. If Kaiden is a beast squaddie I think this will put him over the top for me. His ME3 content may do it as well.

[goose2989]

garrusfan1 wrote...

I liked ash better in ME1 but in ME3 kaiden is much better

Exactly.  Most of the saves I had ready for ME3 included Ashley, but after playing the game with both, Kaidan is much more personable, interesting, and fun. 

[iOnlySignIn]

Vega of course.

[RogueBot]

garrusfan1 wrote...

I liked ash better in ME1 but in ME3 kaiden is much better

Yep. Kaidan's writing got better and Ashley's got a whole lot worse.

I was even loyal to Ash during ME2, but I have to say my Shepard wasted his glory years as a galactically famous hero.

Modifié par RogueBot, 15 mars 2013 - 03:53 .

[Riot Inducer]

Both, which one survives Virmire is entirely based on what kind of Shepard I'm playing at the time. Both characters have merits and weak points but in the end I don't value either of them much more than the other. To be honest they both rank fairly low on my favorite squadmates list but I don't dislike either of them.

[snackrat]

Kaidan. His powers are better for my preferred characters. In ME1, he was my engineer to hacking the... omnigel... things. Ahh, nostalgia.
In ME2, he was irrelevant! As would be Ash.
In ME3, he was a shield overloader - but now he has area reave to prime/detonate me.
Most of my saves have him alive, except some of my Femshep saves where I cockedblocked him with nuclear ordinance. Only way to do it right. Otherwise it makes sense to save him: he's the engineer, so he should be arming the bomb, whilst Ashley has history with leading a squad (with... erm, some results). And when it comes to it, Shepard goes back to protect the bomb (and the superior officer.. with the BETTER POWERS).

As far as personality goes... eh, Kaidan I guess? Neither of them have much charm compared to the others, probably because in ME2/3 they have cookie-cutter roles that need to stay highly similar. I do in fact just call them 'Kaidash' because they're almost the same person.
But odd-lookin' hair notwithstanding, Kaidan somehow annoyed me less. I even ended up being strangely fond of him... like the squad's family dog. It might just be because I brought him along the most often for practical reasons, and thus grew to like him over time. By ME3, he is probably my favourite romance, but he has an advantage in that in ME1 guys get the most content.

Plus I preferred femShep in ME1 for her voice work, so the position of badass action girl had already been filled. I guess I needed a moraliser whose every second word was 'integrity'! (Calm down, I jest.)
And then Ash went and.. brought down her hair into an impractical style... for 'sex appeal' apparently..? I don't see how hair-style does that, I thought confidence and mystique was supposed to do that. Ehh.

Modifié par Karsciyin, 15 mars 2013 - 07:51 .

[shumworld]

MinttyMint wrote...

Kaidan, definitely. As much as I love Ash too, her character was spoiled in ME3 for me thus she rarely makes it past Virmire...

I have yet to play a file where she survived yet. What happend to her in ME3 that made people dislike her. Is it her makeover?

[NeonFlux117]

Kaiden, easily. And this is coming from a guy who's love interest was Ashley in ME1 in one of my canon sheps. Ash is a major B!tch in ME3, I let Garrus blow her sh!t away on my renegade play through. Leave it to Space Batman to shut up a little brat like Ash.

Kaysauce FTW.

Modifié par NeonFlux117, 15 mars 2013 - 06:52 .

[Exile Isan]

Kaidan.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Ashley. I like her and don't find her racist, just a political realist. Plus her personality offers more clashes with my paragon aligned shepard.

For a renegade? I would pick Kaiden because he offers a more interesting interaction with my renegade shepard. Unless I romanced ashley, in which case kaiden get's the boot.

Modifié par Darth Brotarian, 15 mars 2013 - 06:55 .

[AndreasShepard]

Kaidan 4 life. I just bought his hoody from the bioware store (though technically it's more of a spectre hoody). It sucks that we not only had to say goodbye to Shepard but also to Alenko with this last installment. He was my favorite human squad mate by far.

[WarGriffin]

You know how Kaidan is more reserved and "Passive" trying to be reasonable and logical
while Ash is more upfront and outspoken.

Apparently, people didn't like being accused and the "I'm watching you" attitude Ash took.
I think its cause Kaidan is wirtten as your brother in arms trying ot patch things up and Ash is written to well... She apparently took the seperation ALOT harder then Kaidan did. -Kaidan had Students and soldiers to train-

[Terraforming2154]

shumworld wrote...

MinttyMint wrote...

Kaidan, definitely. As much as I love Ash too, her character was spoiled in ME3 for me thus she rarely makes it past Virmire...

I have yet to play a file where she survived yet. What happend to her in ME3 that made people dislike her. Is it her makeover?

Apparently how Ash mistrusts Shepard is worse then how Kaidan mistrusts Shep. At least that seems to be the problem for a lot of people...

I just thought she didn't feel like the same person she was in ME1. Or rather, she was a distilled version. It felt pretty obvious someone other than her original writer wrote her. Personally, I felt that how she was written, the content for her character (it really did feel like she got less scenes then Kaidan -- at least he got a scene where you could welcome him back on the Normandy and a scene where you could actually talk about TIM and Cerberus), and her appearance were all sort of disappointing.

Modifié par Terraforming2154, 15 mars 2013 - 07:01 .

[Bill Casey]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

If you're a Paragon, Ashley...
If you're a Renegade, Kaidan...


So they don't feel like redundant characters...

Kaidan feels more like a nice-guy type while people accuse Ashley of being racist all the time. I feel like Kaidan would be more paragon while Ashley is renegade. 

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheLancer

Don't get it.

Basically it's more dramatic if the VS is diametrically opposed to the main character...
You're in conflict with the VS for half the series, so I find it makes for a better story if there's also a personality clash...

Which is why I recommend Ashley for Paragon Shepard and Kaidan for Renegade Shepard...
They offer a better character contrast and the potential for more conflict...

They are "that" member...
The one you find yourself up against through the course of the story...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 15 mars 2013 - 07:02 .

[WarGriffin]

Terraforming2154 wrote...

shumworld wrote...

MinttyMint wrote...

Kaidan, definitely. As much as I love Ash too, her character was spoiled in ME3 for me thus she rarely makes it past Virmire...

I have yet to play a file where she survived yet. What happend to her in ME3 that made people dislike her. Is it her makeover?

Apparently how Ash mistrusts Shepard is worse then how Kaidan mistrusts Shep. At least that seems to be the problem for a lot of people...

I just thought she didn't feel like the same person she was in ME1. Or rather, she was a distilled version. It felt pretty obvious someone other than her original writer wrote her. Personally, I felt that how she was written, the content for her character (it really did feel like she got less scenes then Kaidan), and her appearance were all sort of disappointing.

The problem is most of Kaidan's personal content is on the Ship and he therefore interacts with the rest of the Squad.

Ash gets most of her stuff on the citadel and it focuses more on her and Shepard.

That's why I say Kaidan and Garrus come into their own in Me3, they feel like they've grown to be out from Shepard's shadow or guidance.

Ash... Ash still very much needs her Skipper to guide her still.

[nani7788]

I've always saved Ashley, but her comments in ME3 really annoyed me. Now I'm saving Kaidan.