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[FlyinElk212]

Ashley all the way, from a pragmatic viewpoint of contextual storytelling logic.

Because, and I can't say this with enough emphasis, Kaidan is the only squadmate in the trilogy who doesn't get a proper introduction in the story. Because of that he's always reeked of "redshirt" to me.

Modifié par FlyinElk212, 16 mars 2013 - 06:32 .

[eye basher]

Kaiden he died in ME1 all is well in the universe.

[CptData]

Saberchic wrote...

Kaidan. No contest.

I will say that I thought it was amusing that people finally started giving Kaidan his due after ME3 because Ashley kept harping on their Sheps about Cerberus. To see so many people turn on her and say they will always leave her on Virmire now because she was being a witch was funny to me.

The fun steems from the fact those people always disliked both characters. Those guys always told "Kaidan is boring and whiny" and "Ashley is a racist" - but they saved her since they hated hearing Carth's voice...
So it was a decision between two evils for those guys. And since "no-redeeming-features-mirandafied-Ash" is even more anoying than "whiny-Carth-Kaidan" ... figures.

Well, at least that's my idea of those guys who swapped one for another VS.

[Zaalbar]

Ásh all the way for me as she has always been the only LI in ME1 for me.

That said I was disapointed in her role in ME3 in that she did not seem to have much to say or do compared to the other characters.

[Soul Tumor]

Hands down Kaiden. Ash just rubs me the wrong way. I hate her personality.

[Saberchic]

CptData wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

Kaidan. No contest.

I will say that I thought it was amusing that people finally started giving Kaidan his due after ME3 because Ashley kept harping on their Sheps about Cerberus. To see so many people turn on her and say they will always leave her on Virmire now because she was being a witch was funny to me.

The fun steems from the fact those people always disliked both characters. Those guys always told "Kaidan is boring and whiny" and "Ashley is a racist" - but they saved her since they hated hearing Carth's voice...
So it was a decision between two evils for those guys. And since "no-redeeming-features-mirandafied-Ash" is even more anoying than "whiny-Carth-Kaidan" ... figures.

Well, at least that's my idea of those guys who swapped one for another VS.

Very true. It's why I found it so amusing.

At least people now have the option to not have the VS in their game if they don't want to, whether they kill them at the coup or send them off to Hackett.

[Oni Changas]

Up until 3, I'd say Ash edges out. In 3 Kaiden adds a hell of a lot more as your other bro. Ash in 2 fit the Horizon role better and seems more authorative until regressing in the final game.

[nos_astra]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

Ashley all the way, from a pragmatic viewpoint of contextual storytelling logic.

Because, and I can't say this with enough emphasis, Kaidan is the only squadmate in the trilogy who doesn't get a proper introduction in the story. Because of that he's always reeked of "redshirt" to me.

He does get an introductory dialogue with Fem!Shep after they return from Eden Prime. For some odd reason Man!Shep is left out. (Of course he's also the one who waits in the med bay for you to wake up if you're female.)

It can end with Shepard asking him how to deal with a human councilor and Kaidan telling her to follow standard operational procedure: Salute anything you can't eat or kill. 

[Anubis722]

I have to give it to Kaiden as being the better of the two he's being like a bro to me, Ashley in ME3 annoyed me to no end sad because i through she was a okay in ME1

[Funkdrspot]

I always saved Ash. Kaiden seemed REALLY bland to me in ME1 so i never bothered. I don't have a single playthrough with him surviving Virmire.

[Burnham1]

Isn't Kaiden that annoying guy who tries too hard to be Carth, and ends up always dieing on Virmire?

[Kastrenzo]

Kaidan died on virmire.
Shot Ashley in the face.

Mission accomplished.


They were both token and uninteresting crew members, but if I had to be stuck with one I'd take Kaidan

[WheatleyHQ]

ME1 Ashley.

[Aetheria]

I like both of them, really. That said, I like Ashley a little better as a character so I saved her more often. Plus, I mostly play FemShep and thought it was a good plot twist for her to have a kind-of thing going with Kaidan that gets sadly cut short before it really has a chance to go anywhere.

I do feel like Ash didn't have much "friendship" content in ME3 - not sure whether there actually was less or whether she just got less interesting dialogue than other characters.

[shumworld]

FlyinElk212 wrote...

Ashley all the way, from a pragmatic viewpoint of contextual storytelling logic.

Because, and I can't say this with enough emphasis, Kaidan is the only squadmate in the trilogy who doesn't get a proper introduction in the story. Because of that he's always reeked of "redshirt" to me.

Though I prefer Kaidan over Ashley I agree that he never got a proper introduction. Jenkins got a better intro than Kaidan.

[Jonathan Sud]

Kaidan.

I didn't like him much in ME1. Ashley was fine up until ME2.

[Xilizhra]

CptData wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

Kaidan. No contest.

I will say that I thought it was amusing that people finally started giving Kaidan his due after ME3 because Ashley kept harping on their Sheps about Cerberus. To see so many people turn on her and say they will always leave her on Virmire now because she was being a witch was funny to me.

The fun steems from the fact those people always disliked both characters. Those guys always told "Kaidan is boring and whiny" and "Ashley is a racist" - but they saved her since they hated hearing Carth's voice...
So it was a decision between two evils for those guys. And since "no-redeeming-features-mirandafied-Ash" is even more anoying than "whiny-Carth-Kaidan" ... figures.

Well, at least that's my idea of those guys who swapped one for another VS.

I don't find it "fun" as such, but Ashley seems to be missing too much content and I'd like to try Kaidan out.

[J4mes]

Ashley because there are a lack of Pure Soldiers for A.I. Squadmates in ME & ME3. I refuse to use the Douche Jersey Shore character that is James. And my name is James.

Kaidan is just the unfunny Robin to the Batman that is Shepard, plus you already have a plethora of Biotic Squadmates available.

[Adoramei]

Personally, I hated Ashley from the start. I've grown up being made fun of for not being white in an upper-middle class primarily white town. The xenophobia thing really irked me from the start. I mean, she starts right off with the, "It's not racism.. not really!" line! Next thing she's probably ready to say is that her best friend is a Turian. I don't care how paragon my character is- I tell her to shut the eff up right then and there. In fact, the more paragon they are, the more they want her to stop chatting casually about her mistrust based on what someone is born as.

She compares other races to animals. Admits that she would throw a family dog at a bear to get mauled and not bat an eye. (Seriously. Not only do I KNOW what it is to be treated/regarded as less-than-human based on the colour of my skin, but I love animals. And you can believe that I would take that family dog and get the eff away from that bear no matter what it took because I'd be fighting for my family.) She even tells Liara in the conflict, "You're not even our species!" Yeah. She can GTFO.

I will never, ever EVER allow Ashley to live in any of my games. And I wish that my character didn't seem so.. sad about her death in 3. It is not how my character feels. At all. Male Shepard or female Shepard, I will always pick Kaidan. I happen to be marrying someone who has that same empathetic, kind heart. So even if my Shepard isn't romancing him, he is a true bro. And I just played through 3 for the first time, and I have to say that it's going to be hard NOT romancing him for new playthroughs primarily because of how hauntingly sad it was to back away from the Normandy while he begged her through gritted teeth and tears not to leave him behind. I have to thank the voice acting and art team for that. Shepard is a real jerk though because each time, you're trying to instill hope and be encouraging, but you just keep telling him that you're going to fight for survival. And then.. without a second thought, you just kind of give up and let yourself die in the end. Because you're too tired to keep fighting. Boo hoo.

Poor Kaidan.

And on a lesser note, the attempt to make her character stand out more with the poetry-spouting that seems so out of character.. Yeah. It didn't really work for me. Oh, and the constant religious talk? Please. I can't even stand Leliana in Dragon Age for her Maker talk. I make her shut up with it as fast as I can. I'm all for religious freedom, but man is she a big, stupid jellyfish.

Not to mention that she's not exactly what I'd call attractive in 1. She got an auto-upgrade with the hot Mass Effect 2 body models but still retained that .. ugh.. face/hair. And in 3, she.. what.. got a makeover? And suddenly, her chest rounded itself out? Sorry. Still not interested. If I want hot, I'll jump Miranda or Tali. If I want substance with hot, I'll go with Tali. (Or Kaidan.)

Anyhow. Stupid jellyfish is stupid. Kaidan will live every time.

Modifié par Adoramei, 17 mars 2013 - 06:43 .

[ComfortablyNumb]

In all my (10+) ME1 playthroughs. I've never saved Ashley on Virmire. And I don't think I ever will.

[Massa FX]

Kaidan. Because without him Femshep only has 1 option for hetero LI... and that's only if she romanced Garrus in ME2. So limited...

[IC-07]

 I guess Ashley. Kaiden is forever dead 

[Cecilia L]

Kaidan.

I loved Ash in ME1 and that's why she deserves to die before her personality change and boob job.

[Meermiss]

I saved Ash on my main, which I'm still playing through for full completion/levels. However, after seeing some of the interaction with Kaidan online, I'm regretting that decision. I hated his personality, but he really lightened up a bit.