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[CDR David Shepard]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

If you guys think Ash looks like a man now, then you obviously think Ash looked like a man from the very beginning. The face didn't change at all.

So the issue isn't with the makeover, the issue is with a manly chick.

I don't think she looks like a man...but I do think her jaw is bigger in ME3...at least during that casino opening scene.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

If you guys think Ash looks like a man now, then you obviously think Ash looked like a man from the very beginning. The face didn't change at all.

So the issue isn't with the makeover, the issue is with a manly chick.

I don't think she looks like a man...but I do think her jaw is bigger in ME3...at least during that casino opening scene.

http://cloud.steampo...C11CEC85BEAE91/

I think the engine renders faces in a more realistic way in ME3 than the previous games. That's probably what you're seeing. The only physical differences I can see (and I spend A LOT of time in CC's) are the lips (which are more inflated than the ME3 model) and the eye brows, which I think are the most dramatic differences between the two models.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 10 mai 2013 - 04:37 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Even though I think Ashley looks worse, I do kind of prefer how the most cast looks in the first game. Don't really know why, I guess because they look a little more authentic, and they don't wear needless amounts of makeup or stupid outfits. Just personal preference.

[Han Shot First]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Bushy hair, facial or otherwise, can be a potential host for certain infections in the unsanitary conditions military personnel often have to operate. So there are practical reasons beyond gas masks for the grooming that many military organizations mandate.

The captain in the picture appears to be a Sikh. They do not cut their hair as a sign of accepting the body in its natural state, in accordance with the teachings of their religion. I guess he feels religion takes precedence over military regulations. 

He his a Sikh. There is also an enlisted Sikh in the U.S. Army who also got a waiver to keep a beard and wear a turban with his uniform. And then there was this guy who fought in the U.S. Army in World War I:





It is true though that the modern prohibition against beards in the military is linked to the possibility of chemical warfare. You need to be clean shaven in order to get a good seal on a gas mask. Any hairs poking out from under the mask is also going to allow outside unfiltered air in, which is not a good thing if that air contains mustard gas or something nastier, like a nerve agent.

That might not be an issue in the Mass Effect universe however, where people wear full helmets rather than a mask. Short, neatly-trimmed beards wouldn't be an issue, so military regulations may have changed to allow them.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Even though I think Ashley looks worse, I do kind of prefer how the most cast looks in the first game. Don't really know why, I guess because they look a little more authentic, and they don't wear needless amounts of makeup or stupid outfits. Just personal preference.

The art style took a pretty dramatic shift with ME2 and ME3. I don't blame people who like the original art style more, I do in in some ways.

[The Night Mammoth]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Even though I think Ashley looks worse, I do kind of prefer how the most cast looks in the first game. Don't really know why, I guess because they look a little more authentic, and they don't wear needless amounts of makeup or stupid outfits. Just personal preference.

The art style took a pretty dramatic shift with ME2 and ME3. I don't blame people who like the original art style more, I do in in some ways.

I hesitate to use the word 'realistic', but I liked how all the human characters wore the same uniform, and the armor was all standardised, and the Normandy felt more like a military ship. 

Cohesive and consistent would be ways to describe it. The latter games feel a little more like the thrown together product of different groups of people concentrating on style and 'cool' rather than an authentic game world. 

[Iakus]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

I think the engine renders faces in a more realistic way in ME3 than the previous games. That's probably what you're seeing. The only physical differences I can see (and I spend A LOT of time in CC's) are the lips (which are more inflated than the ME3 model) and the eye brows, which I think are the most dramatic differences between the two models.

She also received other, "alterations" in body and posture.

Asari are not the only ones who "grow" with age, it seems...<_<

[EpicBoot2daFace]

iakus wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

I think the engine renders faces in a more realistic way in ME3 than the previous games. That's probably what you're seeing. The only physical differences I can see (and I spend A LOT of time in CC's) are the lips (which are more inflated than the ME3 model) and the eye brows, which I think are the most dramatic differences between the two models.

She also received other, "alterations" in body and posture.

Asari are not the only ones who "grow" with age, it seems...<_<

To my knowledge the character models (faces) in the game were rebuilt in a similar fashion to what Epic did with Gears of War 3. The male and female body models were also rebuilt and they're used across all characters. So, every character in the game is bascially using the same body model.

[Fixers0]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

To my knowledge the character models (faces) in the game were rebuilt in a similar fashion to what Epic did with Gears of War 3. The male and female body models were also rebuilt and they're used across all characters. So, every character in the game is bascially using the same body model.

Not Really, base Skeleton is the same for most characters, save certain races, such as the volus, or krogan that have their own skeletons and anmiations (interestingly, there are volus and krogan in ME3 that utalize standard humanoid animations, wich look horrible), yet models can be entirely different depending characters, it's true that certain casual outfits and the ME1 style armors worn by Alliance Marines and other characters share the same model, but characters which have unique body models (such as Ashley) can have their bodies be modeled in any way the developers desire.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Fixers0 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

To my knowledge the character models (faces) in the game were rebuilt in a similar fashion to what Epic did with Gears of War 3. The male and female body models were also rebuilt and they're used across all characters. So, every character in the game is bascially using the same body model.

Not Really, base Skeleton is the same for most characters, save certain races, such as the volus, or krogan that have their own skeletons and anmiations (interestingly, there are volus and krogan in ME3 that utalize standard humanoid animations, wich look horrible), yet models can be entirely different depending characters, it's true that certain casual outfits and the ME1 style armors worn by Alliance Marines and other characters share the same model, but characters which have unique body models (such as Ashley) can have their bodies be modeled in any way the developers desire.

Does Ashley have a unique body model? I always thought it was the FemShep body model they used for her and every other humanoid female in the game.

[Fixers0]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
Does Ashley have a unique body model? I always thought it was the FemShep body model they used for her and every other humanoid female in the game.

There's is no body model actually, it's the clothes, armor, or uniform that the entity wears that determine the body features, being a long time modder, i've modded Miranda clothes onto Femshep in ME2, and it totally make Shepard look miranda with a different head, the point being that the way armor is desigend is how it will look on a character, in Ashley's case being very noticeable.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Fixers0 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...
Does Ashley have a unique body model? I always thought it was the FemShep body model they used for her and every other humanoid female in the game.

There's is no body model actually, it's the clothes, armor, or uniform that the entity wears that determine the body features, being a long time modder, i've modded Miranda clothes onto Femshep in ME2, and it totally make Shepard look miranda with a different head, the point being that the way armor is desigend is how it will look on a character, in Ashley's case being very noticeable.

What I mean is like during the love scene, isn't it just FemShep's body model?

[Fixers0]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

What I mean is like during the love scene, isn't it just FemShep's body model?

That's a generic model, albeit recoulerd for skin, much like the casual outfits.

[Omega Torsk]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

CDR David Shepard wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

If you guys think Ash looks like a man now, then you obviously think Ash looked like a man from the very beginning. The face didn't change at all.

So the issue isn't with the makeover, the issue is with a manly chick.

I don't think she looks like a man...but I do think her jaw is bigger in ME3...at least during that casino opening scene.

http://cloud.steampo...C11CEC85BEAE91/

I think the engine renders faces in a more realistic way in ME3 than the previous games. That's probably what you're seeing. The only physical differences I can see (and I spend A LOT of time in CC's) are the lips (which are more inflated than the ME3 model) and the eye brows, which I think are the most dramatic differences between the two models.

This comparison really needs to be plastered on these threads every time the subject resurrects itself a new thread opens up. The only major difference between the two Ashleys is that she went from a B to a C cup (and if you really think about it, every female in ME1 had the same body model. When we get that specific, we're nitpicking) and that she let her hair down.

Although I'm in the camp of people that believe she should've tied it back into the bun when she's in armor and kept it loose in her casual, it's not that big of a deal.

Skin tone lightened? Well, so did Sheploo's. Nobody seems to care unless it's Ashley, though.

Imho, the new model is fine. Blue fits her well and so does her hair.

[Han Shot First]

I think Ashley wearing pink and white Phoenix armor in Mass Effect 1 is a bigger WTF moment than her hair being down in ME3.

One of the first things I do in any playthrough of ME1 is immediately swap out the Phoenix armoy for the Scorpion armor you find in one of the crates on Eden Prime.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 10 mai 2013 - 09:39 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Han Shot First wrote...

I think Ashley wearing pink and white Phoenix armor in Mass Effect 1 is a bigger WTF moment than her hair being down in ME3.

One of the first things I do in any playthrough of ME1 is immediately swap out the Phoenix armoy for the Scorpion armor you find in one of the crates on Eden Prime.

I definately prefer the blue armor for sure.

[Han Shot First]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

I think Ashley wearing pink and white Phoenix armor in Mass Effect 1 is a bigger WTF moment than her hair being down in ME3.

One of the first things I do in any playthrough of ME1 is immediately swap out the Phoenix armoy for the Scorpion armor you find in one of the crates on Eden Prime.

I definately prefer the blue armor for sure.

Also it comes with a helmet.

Sold!

[AlexMBrennan]

and if you really think about it, every female in ME1 had the same body model. When we get that specific, we're nitpicking

How about no? The trend in the series towards more overt sex appeal (sensible armour in me1 to stripper outfits in me3 with upgraded... assets) is still insulting.

This comparison really needs to be plastered on these threads

Is anyone complaining about her face? So what does a close-up of her face prove? Just look at the intro - Kaidan gets to wear the standard alliance uniform whilst they put Ash (and only her) in that silly catsuit.

[David7204]

That's stupid.

The armor in ME 1 was 'sensible' because it was nothing but a generic color swap. They could easily outfit every squadmate in indistinguishable heavy armor. No more whining about 'sexualization.' No more whining about military uniforms.

And it would be a horrible decision.

And guess what? When they make unique armor for each characters, female armor is going to look feminine. That's really the end of it.

Modifié par David7204, 10 mai 2013 - 10:31 .

[spirosz]

David7204 wrote...

That's stupid.

The armor in ME 1 was 'sensible' because it was nothing but a generic color swap. They could easily outfit every squadmate in indistinguishable heavy armor. No more whining about 'sexualization.' No more whining about military uniforms.

And it would be a horrible decision.

And guess what? When they make unique armor for each characters, female armor is going to look feminine. That's really the end of it.

I bet Jack's would look more masculine, more bulky, but in a light version... with some scars and graffiti, in relation to her "own armor and tattoos". 

[AresKeith]

Ummm David, her blue armor isn't an issue that's still heavy armor.

The fact that's her ONLY armored appearance is an issue

And Bioware bringing back a new version of her White and Pink armor would have been awesome

Modifié par AresKeith, 10 mai 2013 - 10:41 .

[David7204]

I dunno about bulky...Jack herself is pretty slender. I've never worn armor, but I'm guessing it's pretty heavy, and biotics would tire you out enough as it is.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

AresKeith wrote...

Ummm David, her blue armor isn't an issue that's still heavy armor.

The fact that's her ONLY armored appearance is an issue

So... the issue is that she only has one set of armor?

[David7204]

We got to drop this ridiculous attitude that any kind of 'sexualization' is obviously because BioWare wants to bring in 13-year-boys and basement dwellers. It's flat-out nonsense.