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[David7204]

As I've said multiple times, should we just every character generic uniforms and armor to make things look super-military?

[Iakus]

David7204 wrote...

As I've said multiple times, should we just every character generic uniforms and armor to make things look super-military?

If they are military, they should wear military-looking uniforms.  So to that degree, yes.  Ashley, Traynor, Joker, Kaidan, Steve, and Shepard should have similar looking outfits (and James, if he ever decided to put a shirt on)

[TheRealJayDee]

David7204 wrote...

I don't see any problem with Ashley's uniform.

I believe you.

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David7204 wrote...

As I've said multiple times, should we just every character generic uniforms and armor to make things look super-military?

Like iakus said, those characters that are part of the same military, while they're on duty - hell yeah! That they gave Ashley of all people a non-Alliance fantasy uniform is just an insult to the character.

It would be a little better if we saw some real changes in her character about her dedication to the Alliance, but as it is it's damaging both the character and the believability of the setting.

Modifié par TheRealJayDee, 11 mai 2013 - 12:05 .

[AresKeith]

I always thought a ponytail would've been a better choice than letting her down completely

[GHNR]

MegaSovereign wrote...

At least your favorite characters got something.

Sovereign didn't even get a boob job. He's just dead.

Well technically, EDI IS based off Sovereign....

[Karlone123]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Karlone123 wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

Karlone123 wrote...

I liked Ashley's previous look, it was realistic, to me she was a good representation of how females could be realistically presented in video games. She had the sex appeal on a realistic scale, considering her personality to be the same level as well. I get that Ashley's appearence might needed to be updated, I hoped for a person who looked like she took her military career seriously with a few facial flaws like instead of a flawless face (unless her face was glossed up to hide it all). So to put it short I took Ashley seriously as a character, but then came her facial update and that seriousness took a deep plumet. Considering the lack of content added to her character, she's nothing more than eye candy, which is a shame because she had potential.

Miranda Lawson flawless appearence suits her character as her being was suppose to be about being perfect in every aspect. With Ashely, her being on just being a Human being is that Humans have flaws and I would expect (hope) for that to reflect off her appearence. Man, I am a whiner.

You have some valid points.  I too, wished Ashley's character was more developed but what's there really turned me off her character.

Miranda Lawson by far is superb!   A wonderful character.  Yvonne's did an awesome job!

I like it when characters appearence reflects off thier personalities, Garrus being emotionally troubled against Sidonis was shown from the scars he gained. He wasn't fresh faced, he looked quite insane during his loyalty mission. Ashely's face edit didn't do the character any justice for me. She claims to be a Human with flaws yet she looks like she trying to compete with Miranda on looking flawless. Topics like these are not easy to talk about without coming across sounding like demanding person on how someone looks.

I just want to get my point across, a human who knows she has flaws would add to the character if it was added to her appearence looking someone who has seen combat instead of being a model poster for the Alliance.

I disagree. That sounds like something Miranda has said in the past. "I look perfect but I'm not." When does Ashley ever say she looks perfect? She openly criticizes Miranda and her skin-tight suit.

I did not mean it by that, I'm actually criticising Bioware on Ashley coming across as a realistic person, yet she looks flawless like Miranda with the super-model look. Plus Ashley is a bit wrong to criticise Miranda when Ashley has her hair down all the time, make-up and her armour that looks a little less skintight than Miranda's by a small percentage.

[Morlath]

TheRealJayDee wrote...
I can only repeat, again and again, I have no problem with "sexy" female characters and I don't condemn anyone for wanting characters to be "sexy". Thing is - I think that in terms of video game characters Ash was an "attractive female" in ME1 and didn't need any "improvement". 

I agree. I like her with either look but I do enjoy the hair down when not in a fire-fight.

The changes made in regards to Ash's appearance were not changes that happened out of character development reasons, but of Bioware's desire to sex her up to make her more appealing. They said so themselves, and every "I didn't like Ashley before, but damn, she is hot in ME3" comment proves them right.

Can't argue with the reasoning but at least there's some in-game lore which can help cover for the change.

I think I'd be less "whatever" about the whole thing if I hadn't watched Shepard actually change through each game even if you keep the face the same. Each one makes the face (arguably) more attractive/sexy so to have it for all characters just goes along with this progression for me.

I just don't think that is the way to handle established characters. Do with new characters what you want, but don't **** with established characters for no good reason.

Like I said, if it was just Ashley then this thread would have a major point but it isn't. Ashley might be the most obvious but I think a lot of the venom is also to do with people not liking her character which makes the reaction more intense.

[David7204]

When does Ashley criticize Miranda?

[GHNR]

David7204 wrote...

When does Ashley criticize Miranda?

If you romanced both, during the second hospital scene, Ash criticizes Miranda's outfit, and apparent perfection I believe.

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Karlone123 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Karlone123 wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

Karlone123 wrote...

I liked Ashley's previous look, it was realistic, to me she was a good representation of how females could be realistically presented in video games. She had the sex appeal on a realistic scale, considering her personality to be the same level as well. I get that Ashley's appearence might needed to be updated, I hoped for a person who looked like she took her military career seriously with a few facial flaws like instead of a flawless face (unless her face was glossed up to hide it all). So to put it short I took Ashley seriously as a character, but then came her facial update and that seriousness took a deep plumet. Considering the lack of content added to her character, she's nothing more than eye candy, which is a shame because she had potential.

Miranda Lawson flawless appearence suits her character as her being was suppose to be about being perfect in every aspect. With Ashely, her being on just being a Human being is that Humans have flaws and I would expect (hope) for that to reflect off her appearence. Man, I am a whiner.

You have some valid points.  I too, wished Ashley's character was more developed but what's there really turned me off her character.

Miranda Lawson by far is superb!   A wonderful character.  Yvonne's did an awesome job!

I like it when characters appearence reflects off thier personalities, Garrus being emotionally troubled against Sidonis was shown from the scars he gained. He wasn't fresh faced, he looked quite insane during his loyalty mission. Ashely's face edit didn't do the character any justice for me. She claims to be a Human with flaws yet she looks like she trying to compete with Miranda on looking flawless. Topics like these are not easy to talk about without coming across sounding like demanding person on how someone looks.

I just want to get my point across, a human who knows she has flaws would add to the character if it was added to her appearence looking someone who has seen combat instead of being a model poster for the Alliance.

I disagree. That sounds like something Miranda has said in the past. "I look perfect but I'm not." When does Ashley ever say she looks perfect? She openly criticizes Miranda and her skin-tight suit.

I did not mean it by that, I'm actually criticising Bioware on Ashley coming across as a realistic person, yet she looks flawless like Miranda with the super-model look. Plus Ashley is a bit wrong to criticise Miranda when Ashley has her hair down all the time, make-up and her armour that looks a little less skintight than Miranda's by a small percentage.

So, you believe that only super models let their hair down and wear make up? Ashley has real armor that she wears in combat and it looks nothing like what Miranda wears.

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 11 mai 2013 - 12:30 .

[chemiclord]

A classic case of the BSN blowing a minor issue completely out of proportion here.

(And yes, I am perfectly aware of the pun I just dropped).

[AresKeith]

chemiclord wrote...

A classic case of the BSN blowing a minor issue completely out of proportion here.

(And yes, I am perfectly aware of the pun I just dropped).

How is it a minor issue?

[chemiclord]

AresKeith wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

A classic case of the BSN blowing a minor issue completely out of proportion here.

(And yes, I am perfectly aware of the pun I just dropped).

How is it a minor issue?

Because in the grand scheme of things, it's an art style decision.  ALL of the female characters in the series got inflated.  They ALL got prettied up (or sexualized if you want to call it that).  It's not like someone decided, "Let's tart up Ashley because I want to see 'dem big ass boobies."

If you don't like the art style, fine.  But it's really NOT that big of a deal.  And certainly not worth 12+ pages of back and forth.

[Karlone123]

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Karlone123 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Karlone123 wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

Karlone123 wrote...

I liked Ashley's previous look, it was realistic, to me she was a good representation of how females could be realistically presented in video games. She had the sex appeal on a realistic scale, considering her personality to be the same level as well. I get that Ashley's appearence might needed to be updated, I hoped for a person who looked like she took her military career seriously with a few facial flaws like instead of a flawless face (unless her face was glossed up to hide it all). So to put it short I took Ashley seriously as a character, but then came her facial update and that seriousness took a deep plumet. Considering the lack of content added to her character, she's nothing more than eye candy, which is a shame because she had potential.

Miranda Lawson flawless appearence suits her character as her being was suppose to be about being perfect in every aspect. With Ashely, her being on just being a Human being is that Humans have flaws and I would expect (hope) for that to reflect off her appearence. Man, I am a whiner.

You have some valid points.  I too, wished Ashley's character was more developed but what's there really turned me off her character.

Miranda Lawson by far is superb!   A wonderful character.  Yvonne's did an awesome job!

I like it when characters appearence reflects off thier personalities, Garrus being emotionally troubled against Sidonis was shown from the scars he gained. He wasn't fresh faced, he looked quite insane during his loyalty mission. Ashely's face edit didn't do the character any justice for me. She claims to be a Human with flaws yet she looks like she trying to compete with Miranda on looking flawless. Topics like these are not easy to talk about without coming across sounding like demanding person on how someone looks.

I just want to get my point across, a human who knows she has flaws would add to the character if it was added to her appearence looking someone who has seen combat instead of being a model poster for the Alliance.

I disagree. That sounds like something Miranda has said in the past. "I look perfect but I'm not." When does Ashley ever say she looks perfect? She openly criticizes Miranda and her skin-tight suit.

I did not mean it by that, I'm actually criticising Bioware on Ashley coming across as a realistic person, yet she looks flawless like Miranda with the super-model look. Plus Ashley is a bit wrong to criticise Miranda when Ashley has her hair down all the time, make-up and her armour that looks a little less skintight than Miranda's by a small percentage.

So, you believe that only super models let their hair down and wear make up? Ashley has real armor that she wears in combat and it looks nothing like what Miranda wears.

No, that's the thought I am trying to avoid giving out. Lets forget about the armour because different ones can be chosen. I am going to try to put it in short to avoid confusion on what I mean. I saw Ashley as a good representation of having sex appeal with an approachable look back in ME1 and ME2. But in ME3 She was rendered to the typical sex appeal of women in most video games. Which was a disappoitment as I had hoped she would have been better than that fate.

She was a serious character with a realistic look back then, but with the lack of character development done for her, she comes across as only being eye-candy.  Do you get what I mean now?

Modifié par Karlone123, 11 mai 2013 - 12:52 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

chemiclord wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

A classic case of the BSN blowing a minor issue completely out of proportion here.

(And yes, I am perfectly aware of the pun I just dropped).

How is it a minor issue?

Because in the grand scheme of things, it's an art style decision.  ALL of the female characters in the series got inflated.  They ALL got prettied up (or sexualized if you want to call it that).  It's not like someone decided, "Let's tart up Ashley because I want to see 'dem big ass boobies."

If you don't like the art style, fine.  But it's really NOT that big of a deal.  And certainly not worth 12+ pages of back and forth.

We're having a civil discussion here about a specific topic. If you think it isn't worth the time, why are you here?

Modifié par EpicBoot2daFace, 11 mai 2013 - 12:52 .

[Iakus]

chemiclord wrote...

Because in the grand scheme of things, it's an art style decision.  ALL of the female characters in the series got inflated.  They ALL got prettied up (or sexualized if you want to call it that).  It's not like someone decided, "Let's tart up Ashley because I want to see 'dem big ass boobies."

Actually, according to the art book, that is pretty much the reason.

Though it was couched in less crude terms

If you don't like the art style, fine.  But it's really NOT that big of a deal.  And certainly not worth 12+ pages of back and forth.

It went against her character and against the style of the Alliance military in general.  it violates, um "artistic integrity"

[chemiclord]

iakus wrote...

It went against her character and against the style of the Alliance military in general.  it violates, um "artistic integrity"

I must have missed your position where you were Ashley's character designer in the credits.  My fault.

Thier story.  Their characters.  Not yours.  They decide her character.  Not you.

I mean... going on 13 pages for what?  Because a character has her ****ing HAIR DOWN?  REALLY?  You HONESTLY don't see how this is a little over the top?

Modifié par chemiclord, 11 mai 2013 - 12:57 .

[EpicBoot2daFace]

Karlone123 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Karlone123 wrote...

EpicBoot2daFace wrote...

Karlone123 wrote...

enayasoul wrote...

Karlone123 wrote...

I liked Ashley's previous look, it was realistic, to me she was a good representation of how females could be realistically presented in video games. She had the sex appeal on a realistic scale, considering her personality to be the same level as well. I get that Ashley's appearence might needed to be updated, I hoped for a person who looked like she took her military career seriously with a few facial flaws like instead of a flawless face (unless her face was glossed up to hide it all). So to put it short I took Ashley seriously as a character, but then came her facial update and that seriousness took a deep plumet. Considering the lack of content added to her character, she's nothing more than eye candy, which is a shame because she had potential.

Miranda Lawson flawless appearence suits her character as her being was suppose to be about being perfect in every aspect. With Ashely, her being on just being a Human being is that Humans have flaws and I would expect (hope) for that to reflect off her appearence. Man, I am a whiner.

You have some valid points.  I too, wished Ashley's character was more developed but what's there really turned me off her character.

Miranda Lawson by far is superb!   A wonderful character.  Yvonne's did an awesome job!

I like it when characters appearence reflects off thier personalities, Garrus being emotionally troubled against Sidonis was shown from the scars he gained. He wasn't fresh faced, he looked quite insane during his loyalty mission. Ashely's face edit didn't do the character any justice for me. She claims to be a Human with flaws yet she looks like she trying to compete with Miranda on looking flawless. Topics like these are not easy to talk about without coming across sounding like demanding person on how someone looks.

I just want to get my point across, a human who knows she has flaws would add to the character if it was added to her appearence looking someone who has seen combat instead of being a model poster for the Alliance.

I disagree. That sounds like something Miranda has said in the past. "I look perfect but I'm not." When does Ashley ever say she looks perfect? She openly criticizes Miranda and her skin-tight suit.

I did not mean it by that, I'm actually criticising Bioware on Ashley coming across as a realistic person, yet she looks flawless like Miranda with the super-model look. Plus Ashley is a bit wrong to criticise Miranda when Ashley has her hair down all the time, make-up and her armour that looks a little less skintight than Miranda's by a small percentage.

So, you believe that only super models let their hair down and wear make up? Ashley has real armor that she wears in combat and it looks nothing like what Miranda wears.

No, that's the thought I am trying to avoid giving out. Lets forget about the armour because different ones can be chosen. I am going to try to put it in short to avoid confusion on what I mean. I saw Ashley as a good representation of having sex appeal with an approachable look back in ME1 and ME2. But in ME3 She was rendered to the typical sex appeal of women in most video games. Which was a disappoitment as I had hoped she would have been better than that fate.

She was a serious character with a realistic look back then, but with the lack of character development done for her, she comes across as only being eye-candy.  Do you get what I mean now?

I see. Do you feel that the character development we see for her in ME1 is undone by the cosmetic changes that were made to her in ME3? Also, which troubles you more, her lack of character development in ME3 or her change in appearance?

[Karlone123]

chemiclord wrote...

iakus wrote...

It went against her character and against the style of the Alliance military in general.  it violates, um "artistic integrity"

I must have missed your position where you were Ashley's character designer in the credits.  My fault.

Thier story.  Their characters.  Not yours.  They decide her character.  Not you.

There's no real need for that "don't like it, get used to it" It has to be refreshing to see a twelth page with no insults being used.

[Iakus]

chemiclord wrote...

I must have missed your position where you were Ashley's character designer in the credits.  My fault.

Thier story.  Their characters.  Not yours.  They decide her character.  Not you.

No matter how little sense it makes, huh?

If they do something so inconsistent or nonsensical to the point of being completely contrary to the previously established story or character, I'm calling them on it.  My choice, not theirs, and not yours.

Edit:  And no, her hair isn't down for me anymore, thank you textmod and creative modders.  My biggest problem now is the uniform.

Well, and how little postcoup dialogue she gets, but not much can be done about that

Modifié par iakus, 11 mai 2013 - 01:01 .

[chemiclord]

Karlone123 wrote...

There's no real need for that "don't like it, get used to it" It has to be refreshing to see a twelth page with no insults being used.

If you think that was insulting... I dunno what to tell ya.  It's not.  If someone IS insulted by simple statements of fact... that's their problem.

It has everything to do with it being 12 pages AT ALL.  It's a mountain being made out of an anthill.  It's 12 pages about what amounts to HAIR (and apparently a uniform that she doesn't even have to wear outside of roughly 15 seconds of screen time).

Modifié par chemiclord, 11 mai 2013 - 01:02 .

[AresKeith]

chemiclord wrote...

Karlone123 wrote...

There's no real need for that "don't like it, get used to it" It has to be refreshing to see a twelth page with no insults being used.

If you think that was insulting... I dunno what to tell ya.  It's not.  If someone IS insulted by simple statements of fact... that's their problem.

It has everything to do with it being 12 pages AT ALL.  It's a mountain being made out of an anthill.  It's 12 pages about what amounts to HAIR (and apparently a uniform that she doesn't even have to wear outside of roughly 15 seconds of screen time).

If your having a problem with this discussion, then why are you here?

[AlanC9]

To point out how silly the thread is?

[Karlone123]

[quote]Karlone123 wrote...

I liked Ashley's previous look, it was realistic, to me she was a good representation of how females could be realistically presented in video games. She had the sex appeal on a realistic scale, considering her personality to be the same level as well. I get that Ashley's appearence might needed to be updated, I hoped for a person who looked like she took her military career seriously with a few facial flaws like instead of a flawless face (unless her face was glossed up to hide it all). So to put it short I took Ashley seriously as a character, but then came her facial update and that seriousness took a deep plumet. Considering the lack of content added to her character, she's nothing more than eye candy, which is a shame because she had potential.

Miranda Lawson flawless appearence suits her character as her being was suppose to be about being perfect in every aspect. With Ashely, her being on just being a Human being is that Humans have flaws and I would expect (hope) for that to reflect off her appearence. Man, I am a whiner.

[/quote]

You have some valid points.  I too, wished Ashley's character was more developed but what's there really turned me off her character.

Miranda Lawson by far is superb!   A wonderful character.  Yvonne's did an awesome job!

[/quote]

I like it when characters appearence reflects off thier personalities, Garrus being emotionally troubled against Sidonis was shown from the scars he gained. He wasn't fresh faced, he looked quite insane during his loyalty mission. Ashely's face edit didn't do the character any justice for me. She claims to be a Human with flaws yet she looks like she trying to compete with Miranda on looking flawless. Topics like these are not easy to talk about without coming across sounding like demanding person on how someone looks.

I just want to get my point across, a human who knows she has flaws would add to the character if it was added to her appearence looking someone who has seen combat instead of being a model poster for the Alliance.

[/quote]
I disagree. That sounds like something Miranda has said in the past. "I look perfect but I'm not." When does Ashley ever say she looks perfect? She openly criticizes Miranda and her skin-tight suit.
[/quote]
I did not mean it by that, I'm actually criticising Bioware on Ashley coming across as a realistic person, yet she looks flawless like Miranda with the super-model look. Plus Ashley is a bit wrong to criticise Miranda when Ashley has her hair down all the time, make-up and her armour that looks a little less skintight than Miranda's by a small percentage.

[/quote]
So, you believe that only super models let their hair down and wear make up? Ashley has real armor that she wears in combat and it looks nothing like what Miranda wears.
[/quote]
No, that's the thought I am trying to avoid giving out. Lets forget about the armour because different ones can be chosen. I am going to try to put it in short to avoid confusion on what I mean. I saw Ashley as a good representation of having sex appeal with an approachable look back in ME1 and ME2. But in ME3 She was rendered to the typical sex appeal of women in most video games. Which was a disappoitment as I had hoped she would have been better than that fate.

She was a serious character with a realistic look back then, but with the lack of character development done for her, she comes across as only being eye-candy.  Do you get what I mean now?
[/quote]
I see. Do you feel that the character development we see for her in ME1 is undone by the cosmetic changes that were made to her in ME3? Also, which troubles you more, her lack of character development in ME3 or her change in appearance?

[/quote]
No, her cosmetic has not ruined her development in ME1 and 2. Both of her lack of character development and cosmetic rendering troubles me. It feels like she was prettied up in order to make her noticeable to make up for the lack of character development.

Edit: I did a bit of a bad job cleaning up the quotes there.

Modifié par Karlone123, 11 mai 2013 - 01:10 .

[chemiclord]

AresKeith wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

Karlone123 wrote...

There's no real need for that "don't like it, get used to it" It has to be refreshing to see a twelth page with no insults being used.

If you think that was insulting... I dunno what to tell ya.  It's not.  If someone IS insulted by simple statements of fact... that's their problem.

It has everything to do with it being 12 pages AT ALL.  It's a mountain being made out of an anthill.  It's 12 pages about what amounts to HAIR (and apparently a uniform that she doesn't even have to wear outside of roughly 15 seconds of screen time).

If your having a problem with this discussion, then why are you here?

Because it's this sort of trivial bull**** that led to the Mako getting scrapped and Harbinger shoved off stage.  Fans who simply can't shrug and say, "Okay... whatever..." and instead inflate the issue into "OMG GAMEBREAKING FLAW!"

This... just isn't a big deal guys.  Can we stop pretending it is?