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[o Ventus]

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

the geth are dangerous and must die people seem to have forgotten ME1

You mean those same geth that make up less than 5% of the total geth population?

so?that 5 % almost doomed the galaxy 

No, it was the rogue genocidal Spectre and Sovereign that nearly doomed the galaxy.

[Errationatus]

Finn the Jakey wrote...

How about stop acting like an insecure little cretin and insulting people over a character they like for once, (who am I kidding, you've been at this since before ME3 and still won't get over yourself!) and whining whenever someone calls you out on it? 
There's a good troll.

Ah, another dismissal of an actual point made to cry "troll" and "teach" me how to interact - as well as a specific set of insults!  Hmmm.  Curious.

Again - name one specific person I have insulted.  Specifically.  

In case you are unaware, there's a big difference between going:  

"Oh, those Cardinal fans - what a bunch of jackasses"

AND

"Oh, Bob, he likes the Cardinals, what a jackass."

One is merely general and one is rather specific.  One "attacks" a concept and one attacks a person in particular.  

So, you tuck in your righteous indignation for a minute and go point out where I did that.  

Well?

Now you tell me just who is under attack here.

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

o Ventus wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

the geth are dangerous and must die people seem to have forgotten ME1

You mean those same geth that make up less than 5% of the total geth population?

so?that 5 % almost doomed the galaxy 

No, it was the rogue genocidal Spectre and Sovereign that nearly doomed the galaxy.

with the help of the geth.What about the quarians?

[New Display Name]

Unless Tali is an admiral (and other circumstances), the war between the geth and the quarians was unavoidable. In every cycle so far, there is a war between the organics and synthetics. In both this and the last cycle, the synthetics sided with the reapers at one or more points.
Based upon that (and other things), I have little guilt over destroying the geth and controlling the reapers to prevent another war with synthetics.

[dreamgazer]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I see my thread is a major succes.

[o Ventus]

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

with the help of the geth.What about the quarians?

With the help of a splinter faction of geth who make up an embarrassingly tiny minority. Saren and Sovereign were the ones making things happen

Did you actually play any of these games? Namely, the second one?

[o Ventus]

HJF4 wrote...

Unless Tali is an admiral (and other circumstances), the war between the geth and the quarians was unavoidable.

It was not.

[New Display Name]

o Ventus wrote...

HJF4 wrote...

Unless Tali is an admiral (and other circumstances), the war between the geth and the quarians was unavoidable.

It was not.

In game? Yes it is. You can speculate the other ways peace could have been achieved, but you need exonerate Tali, save Koris, etc in the actual game. That's the only thing we can definitively base things upon.

[Rip504]

The Catalyst is the energy in the usage of the Crucible. The Catalyst allows Shepard to chose,but both backs and helps Shepard follow through with w.e. choice Shepard chooses. The Catalyst inability to only target the Reapers is not a Shepard failing,but rather a choice by the Catalyst. So one can blame the Catalyst.

Also Shepard is considered a Hero in any ending.

[AlanC9]

JakeMacDon wrote...

In case you are unaware, there's a big difference between going:  

"Oh, those Cardinal fans - what a bunch of jackasses"

AND

"Oh, Bob, he likes the Cardinals, what a jackass."

One is merely general and one is rather specific.  One "attacks" a concept and one attacks a person in particular.  

These both seem pretty obnoxious, actually.

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

o Ventus wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

with the help of the geth.What about the quarians?

With the help of a splinter faction of geth who make up an embarrassingly tiny minority. Saren and Sovereign were the ones making things happen

Did you actually play any of these games? Namely, the second one?

try to hide it all you want asari.It doesn't change the truth.Ask Mr.Javik about synthetics

[Khelish]

JakeMacDon wrote...

Again - name one specific person I have insulted.

Because insulting entire groups of people is any better? 

Modifié par Khelish, 15 mars 2013 - 10:22 .

[Eterna]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I think what separates genocide from collateral damage is intent.

Even if the intent was there, you can't truly destroy the Geth for good. The race could always be reconstructed, unlike an organic one.

Collateral damage means innocents unintentionally killed during a military operation. By choosing Destroy you are made aware that they will be destroyed. By choosing Destroy you are intentionally killing the Geth to kill the Reapers, that is not collateral damage. 

Also, the Geth themselves are individuals with the Reaper upgradfes, you aren't killing simple machines that can be rebuilt, once they are gone they're gone forever, any furhter produced Geth would not have the upgrades.  And really, what you're saying is no different than someone saying an organic species can be killed and its okay because eventually another one would be created. 

[o Ventus]

HJF4 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

HJF4 wrote...

Unless Tali is an admiral (and other circumstances), the war between the geth and the quarians was unavoidable.

It was not.

In game? Yes it is. You can speculate the other ways peace could have been achieved, but you need exonerate Tali, save Koris, etc in the actual game. That's the only thing we can definitively base things upon.

You can't appeal to probability and say "it's inevitable".

Well, you can, but you'll look like an idiot.

[o Ventus]

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

try to hide it all you want asari

What the f**k?

doesn't change the truth.Ask Mr.Javik about synthetics

Javik is wrong too.

I must have missed the part where EDI shattered Joker's legs, Glyph ordered a hit on Liara, and when Legion shot Tali in the back of the head after making peace. 

[IntelligentME3Fanboy]

o Ventus wrote...

IntelligentME3Fanboy wrote...

try to hide it all you want asari

What the f**k?

doesn't change the truth.Ask Mr.Javik about synthetics

Javik is wrong too.

I must have missed the part where EDI shattered Joker's legs, Glyph ordered a hit on Liara, and when Legion shot Tali in the back of the head after making peace. 

really?GLYPH?You have no idea what you're talking about.Glyph is a VI not AI

[Rip504]

Rip504 wrote...

The Catalyst is the energy in the usage of the Crucible. The Catalyst allows Shepard to chose,but both backs and helps Shepard follow through with w.e. choice Shepard chooses. The Catalyst inability to only target the Reapers is not a Shepard failing,but rather a choice by the Catalyst. So one can blame the Catalyst.

Also Shepard is considered a Hero in any ending.

 As well as the potential that the Geth can be just as dangerous as they could be peaceful. Geth have been willing to not only give up their "freewill",but are also willing to kill all civilized organic life to survive. Heretics see the Reapers as Gods the pinnacle of Synthetic life. Legion was in awe and could not fully comprhend the Reaper. As well as understanding why some could consider the Reapers as Gods even if it does not. Implying a God like status. Geth also decide Reaper tech is the road to their (at least) immediate future.

Geth also understand that in the Reaper war(After becoming allies) that Earth may be the last thing they ever see. As does Edi and any other involved in the final fight for Earth. They understood the risk of keeping and maintaining Reaper tech. Legion and the Geth place trust in the judgement of Shepard.

Did the Geth want to die? Obviously not. Neither is it considered a heinous act by Commander Shepard. Sorry Shepard is not a monster,but is indeed a Hero.

Lol Oops. I meant to edit and ended up quoting myself.

Modifié par Rip504, 15 mars 2013 - 10:34 .

[o Ventus]

At what point in time did the word "synthetic" come to mean "AI"?

[HiddenInWar]

JakeMacDon wrote...

The only real pity is that you can't just kill both, if you'd rather.

Aside from that, so yeah, off the quarians.

I mean, c'mon - you don't punish the kid for being a kid, you fine the parent.  You don't beat the dog for being a dog, you penalize the owner.  The quarians are a race of unbelievably shortsighted cretins who not only got what they deserved but then decided - in the middle of the absolute end-of-days-war-to-end-all-wars to proceed to go to war with machines that whupped their sorry wideloads in every single other encounter to retake a planet that was ALREADY infested with Reapers.

All because the early Talinfestation demanded significant content for an intensely vapid and wretchedly-anime-derivative character that displays not one ounce of competance in the whole series when given anything other to do that doesn't involve crying about antihistamine or valves to turn or ducts to burn in.

Without them, the numbingly-tedious Rannoch arc (pretty much C/P'd from Tuchanka) would have been a mildly annoying footnote, and we might have got expanded battles on Thessia or Earth instead, or those hugely important war assets to mean something  *snicker*, rather than the fan service it so blatantly served.

"It's totally worth it" to watch that silly gypsy chicken backward-swandive off that cliff, provided of course, she didn't take a Collector missile to the face, that is.

Granted, if you don't kill her, you get that oh-so-satisfying "love song" she warbles at you in that crap DLC ******.  Turns out Tali's entire romance - and apparently most, if not all of her sweet nothings - with you as Shepard was a sad attempt to play out some Twilight - I mean "Fleet and Flotilla" fantasy!  Ah, man - I laughed til I damn-near cried.

It was bad enough Bioware basically told the fans to go fvck themselves with the Citadel DLC by making the characters ridiculous, the completely blatant GFY with Jack a prime example - but they really did a number on the Talilovers.   

[Dude_in_the_Room]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

Legion is awesome. I romanced Tali on my first playthrough so I sided with the Quarians even though I wanted to save the Geth.

On this playthrough....I will make things right with my buddy the robot.

Would you still pick Destroy at the end of the game?

That part doesn't matter to me.  The ending is straight up pointless crap.

i only plan on quitting after I shoot Mr Marauder Shields.

[DeinonSlayer]

JakeMacDon wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...

@JakeMacDon

I think it's trying to communicate...

Perhaps if you tried not to lead off with a barrage of insults levelled at anyone you perceived as having a contrary opinion, the people you are currently trying to provoke might consider listening.

Ah - so, just whom did I insult specifically?  Which particular person?  Did I "insult" an abstract group of faceless people who happen to be fixated on a fictional character?  No other fanbase of any particular character in this franchise gets attacked except Tali, right?  Really?

Again - just whom specifically did I insult in this thread?  Who did I single out?  You?  Ventus?  Who?  Who did I say BY NAME was anything at all?  

Well?

"Provocation" is in the eye of the beholder.  If the point is valid - and I notice you just skipped the rest of the post to snipe - then who gives a crap how it's made?  Did I use a word you didn't like?  You dismiss an entire dissenting opinion because you didn't like the tone?  Your delicate sensibilities were assaulted?  

On the INTERNET?  OMG.

Well, hell, son, I guess it's back to deportment class fer a manner polishin' so your don't be gettin' yer ****** ina twist no mores.

I guess some of us are exempt as long as the insults are sly, or "mature", huh?

I'm trying to help you because all you're doing is embarrassing yourself, but if you insist on persisting, by all means. I'll go get the popcorn.

I'd advise you not employ this strategy in a bar full of soccer fans, though. B*tch out the team, b*tch out the fans, then claim you're not insulting present company? I don't suspect it would end well. Hence why you resort to the Internet, flamebaiting and taking umbrage at anyone who calls you out for it.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 15 mars 2013 - 10:35 .

[dreamgazer]

[Errationatus]

AlanC9 wrote...

JakeMacDon wrote...

In case you are unaware, there's a big difference between going:  

"Oh, those Cardinal fans - what a bunch of jackasses"

AND

"Oh, Bob, he likes the Cardinals, what a jackass."

One is merely general and one is rather specific.  One "attacks" a concept and one attacks a person in particular.  

These both seem pretty obnoxious, actually.

Well, one is abstract and one isn't.  If I criticise say, Christianity, and call some of the beliefs stupid - like, wearing blended fabrics is a sin - does that automatically mean I've called all Christians stupid?  I'm attacking the creed, not the people.  And that's all I've done here.  The problem comes in when people associate their beliefs and any contrary opinion on them - no matter how it's put - as an attack on them personally.

It's not.  The Talimancers just have to realize it, and untwist those panties.  I refuse to be silenced because someone doesn't like my effen word choice.  No matter how I say it, politely or otherwise, if it is not praise, the hardcore Talilovers will simply react and hate - like any other fundamentalist. If they can't dismiss you as a troll, they go whining to the mods.

I can't win.  No one can against that.  But they won't silence me.  

[Errationatus]

Khelish wrote...

JakeMacDon wrote...

Again - name one specific person I have insulted.

Because insulting entire groups of people is any better? 

That's what I'm doing?  Which groups?  Talimancers?  I didn't mention sane Talimancers in either of those two posts.

[Solaxe]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I see my thread is a major succes.

Yea you made yourself look like an idiot

"Destroy isn't a genocide if I kill the Geth earlier"

genius