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[HolyAvenger]

I choose it as the best of three bad choices, and my Shepard lives with the consequences of that decision.

It ain't the first time he's consigned an entire race to history (*cough* Rachni *cough*).

[NCommand]

HolyAvenger wrote...

I choose it as the best of three bad choices, and my Shepard lives with the consequences of that decision.

It ain't the first time he's consigned an entire race to history (*cough* Rachni *cough*).

My guess is nobody would be upset if the Geth was a race of creepy crawly spiders

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

NCommand wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

I choose it as the best of three bad choices, and my Shepard lives with the consequences of that decision.

It ain't the first time he's consigned an entire race to history (*cough* Rachni *cough*).

My guess is nobody would be upset if the Geth was a race of creepy crawly spiders

...that can control dead people.

[ElSuperGecko]

I never felt bad for siding with the Quarians and helping them wipe out the Geth. My Shepard was never accused of genocide, either.

Three games in a row I've found myself at war with the Geth. Three games in a row the Geth aligned themselves with the Reapers. I sold Legion to Cerberus, as a result I never re-wrote or destroyed the Heretics and was horrified by how deeply and insidiously the Reaper code has implanted itself within the Geth consensus.

To top it all off, the Geth VI lied to me repeatedly about it's motives and actions during the Rannoch arc.

I had no trouble putting three mass-accelerated rounds through the flashlight in it's head. Whatever potential the Geth once had to become fully self-aware, independent living beings had been corrupted by the Reapers, long ago.

[KoorahUK]

favoritehookeronthecitadel wrote...

NCommand wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

I choose it as the best of three bad choices, and my Shepard lives with the consequences of that decision.

It ain't the first time he's consigned an entire race to history (*cough* Rachni *cough*).

My guess is nobody would be upset if the Geth was a race of creepy crawly spiders

...that can control dead people.

Yet my Paragon shep decided not to commit Genocide in ME1 despite being horrible creepy crawlies. She's nothing if not consistant.

My Renegde burned that creepy mofo immediately and did the same to the Geth. 

[George Costanza]

The Geth were dead in my first play through, and EDI winds me up with her stupid sexbot look, so it really wasn't much of a tough decision for me.

[KoorahUK]

ElSuperGecko wrote...
I had no trouble putting three mass-accelerated rounds through the flashlight in it's head. Whatever potential the Geth once had to become fully self-aware, independent living beings had been corrupted by the Reapers, long ago.

So how does that make organics superior exactly?

[ghost9191]

well if by what you are saying you mean that we are wrong to worry more about commiting genocide with the geth and not the reapers. there is the whole eye for an eye thing. which sure not at first but they have done it like what ? 20k times at least. lots of eyes that need to be poked

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other note. thought the whole geth die over rannoch thing was figured out long ago .... you know having the qurians wipe them out before they become "alive"

Modifié par ghost9191, 15 mars 2013 - 10:17 .

[Rhayak]

NCommand wrote...

I don't know, I've seen idiocy of epic proportions on this forum at times

It's overall level just increased by a little.

[ElSuperGecko]

KoorahUK wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...
I had no trouble putting three mass-accelerated rounds through the flashlight in it's head. Whatever potential the Geth once had to become fully self-aware, independent living beings had been corrupted by the Reapers, long ago.

So how does that make organics superior exactly?

Who said anything about it making organics superior?  Every organic that has worked with the Reapers and allowed the Reapers to modify them, knowingly or not has suffered the exact same fate.  Saren, TIM, Cerberus, the Collectors... the list goes on.

Unfortunately, the Geth have proven themselves to be openly and repeatedly hostlile, they have deliberately and repeatedly aligned themselves with the Reapers and are therefore not to be trusted any more than Cerberus were.

[BD Manchild]

So you avoid committing genocide at the end... by committing it before that point?

Well, whatever works in your world of crazy moon logic, I suppose, where space is warped, time is bendable, up is down, left is right, and Twilight is up there with Dracula and Frankenstein.

Modifié par BD Manchild, 15 mars 2013 - 10:40 .

[ghost9191]

to be fair. the qurians take on that role . and it is not genocide. it is affecting the birth rate to stabilize their society

[78stonewobble]

Well alot of people here are readily able to dismiss the mere mention of rights for artificial life or artificial intelligent life.

On the contrary I still haven't seen a solid logical argument for why anyone on this forum should have any rights.

Are you a doctor? Well thats nice and all, but it's really expensive to have people living too long so maybe that isn't particularly helpfull.

Are you a teacher? Well thats also nice and all, but should we really spend time and money on those simpletons who needs one? 

Are you a human being? Well, still nice and all, but with over 7 billion of us around I'm pretty sure demand is at an all time low.

Our own value and the rights we think that should come from them only have basis in pseudo philosophy, subjective morality and a very certain amount of "faith" in the concept of inherent value of, "coincidentally" including our own, life.

Modifié par 78stonewobble, 15 mars 2013 - 10:45 .

[Ieldra]

So, OP - committing genocide earlier to avoid committing it later. Where have I heard that before...

Also, nice way to justify Destroy by saying the geth are just machines. It seems that the pro-organic theme of Destroy is working in a roundabout way: "I want the Reapers destroyed and for Shepard to survive, and I don't want to feel bad, so the geth are just machines."

[BD Manchild]

Ieldra2 wrote...

So, OP - committing genocide earlier to avoid committing it later. Where have I heard that before...

Also, nice way to justify Destroy by saying the geth are just machines. It seems that the pro-organic theme of Destroy is working in a roundabout way: "I want the Reapers destroyed and for Shepard to survive, and I don't want to feel bad, so the geth are just machines."

That's the general impression I get from reading comments from the more hardcore Destroy supporters.

Modifié par BD Manchild, 15 mars 2013 - 10:57 .

[Voodoo2015]

Does this unit have a soul? This is why didn't whant to destroy them.

[ElSuperGecko]

BD Manchild wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
 "I want the Reapers destroyed and for Shepard to survive, and I don't want to feel bad, so the geth are just machines."

That's the general impression I get from reading comments from the more hardcore Destroy supporters.

The Geth aren't simply machines, they're merely the Synthetic version of Cerberus.

Do you have a problem with killing Cerberus?

[KoorahUK]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

KoorahUK wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...
I had no trouble putting three mass-accelerated rounds through the flashlight in it's head. Whatever potential the Geth once had to become fully self-aware, independent living beings had been corrupted by the Reapers, long ago.

So how does that make organics superior exactly?

Who said anything about it making organics superior?  Every organic that has worked with the Reapers and allowed the Reapers to modify them, knowingly or not has suffered the exact same fate.  Saren, TIM, Cerberus, the Collectors... the list goes on.

Unfortunately, the Geth have proven themselves to be openly and repeatedly hostlile, they have deliberately and repeatedly aligned themselves with the Reapers and are therefore not to be trusted any more than Cerberus were.

The Quarians failed (or refused) to realise that the Geth had advanced beyond being mere tools. With their awareness they upgraded themselves from tools to slaves, so yeah, no wonder they became hostile and rebelled when the Quarians wanted to put them down; wouldn't we in their boots? Since then they confined themselves to the Veil until a faction heard the call of the Reapers and allied themselves - a faction, not the whole race. 

When the Reapers arrive they were more prone to control than organics, but as soon as they were liberated from that control, they allied themselves with Shepard (if you didn't allow the Quarians to finish what they started). As you say, organics were indoctrinated in the same way - I remember fighting humans during Arrival, not Geth - so if both Geth and Organics are prone to Reaper control why is it that the Geth cannot be trusted but organics can?

[Steelcan]

Or you could just not care about the geth. I made peace on Rannoch, but I have zero issues killing them all. They survived only because I let them. They will die when I make them.

In fact I'm re-doing my canon and it just makes more sense to me to sell Legion.

[favoritehookeronthecitadel]

I'll admit, I want my Shepard to survive, but I don't think it's just that. All 3 endings seem very dangerous, but Destory's the least risky to humanity's overall growth. I don't know, Synthesis is definitely the "happier" ending but just think for a second- would people, aliens, every species really be ready for that? That's what synthesis so unbelievable for me. After everything that's just happened, why would everyone be so happy?

[Steelcan]

Voodoo2015 wrote...

Does this unit have a soul? This is why didn't whant to destroy them.

. No it doesn't.  But neither do people so, I'm not sure what he's getting at.

[HolyAvenger]

Genocide is the price we had to pay to rid the galaxy of the Reapers. It was a high price, but still one worth paying.


Would pay again, 10/10 etc.

[Han Shot First]

The destruction of EDI and the Geth as a consequence of using the Crucible to destroy the Reapers isn't an example of genocide. Its a horrifying example of collateral damage, however the destruction of the Reapers constitutes military necessity.

Military necessity is a legal concept used in international humanitarian law (IHL) as part of the legal justification for attacks on legitimate military targets that may have adverse, even terrible, consequences for civilians and civilian objects. It means that military forces in planning military actions are permitted to take into account the practical requirements of a military situation at any given moment and the imperatives of winning. The concept of military necessity acknowledges that even under the laws of war, winning the war or battle is a legitimate consideration, though it must be put alongside other considerations of IHL.

http://www.crimesofw...tary-necessity/

[BD Manchild]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

BD Manchild wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
 "I want the Reapers destroyed and for Shepard to survive, and I don't want to feel bad, so the geth are just machines."

That's the general impression I get from reading comments from the more hardcore Destroy supporters.

The Geth aren't simply machines, they're merely the Synthetic version of Cerberus.

Do you have a problem with killing Cerberus?

I'm not even going to dignify that spot of crazy moon logic with a straight answer.

[Dr_Extrem]

BD Manchild wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

So, OP - committing genocide earlier to avoid committing it later. Where have I heard that before...

Also, nice way to justify Destroy by saying the geth are just machines. It seems that the pro-organic theme of Destroy is working in a roundabout way: "I want the Reapers destroyed and for Shepard to survive, and I don't want to feel bad, so the geth are just machines."

That's the general impression I get from the more hardcore Destroy supporters, and frankly with what I've seen of their almost cult-like fanaticism it's slightly creepy. I'm not saying that none of the other endings have their lunatic element, but the Destroy crazies are being particularly vocal lately.

yeah ... destroy is not any better than the other endings.

the only difference is, that the destroy ending is a bit more obvious than the other two.


geth and edi are lifeforms - thats a fact. it does not matter if we dont like them. their status as lifeforms does not depend on our views on them. they are sentient (edi is able to adjust her core programming, to be able protect the crew if needed) and self aware. just because it is different life, its not less worthy.


all endings are pre godwined "screw-you scenarios", where shepard has to sacrifice several basic rights, who are part of the galactic society, in order to save it. they all are no-win scenarios.